Get a 15”. They are great machines.This is my frustration too. Might return, get a 13” for now and see what happens come March ? butterfly keys tho ?
Get a 15”. They are great machines.This is my frustration too. Might return, get a 13” for now and see what happens come March ? butterfly keys tho ?
That's going to occur with any camera when you take a photo like that. The camera is going to pick up blurred artifacts like that because the transition happens to fast for it to capture. I can do that with literally any screen and it will look the same.
Here is my wife's MacBook Air. I guess it has ghosting too?
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And my iMac 5K is also Ghosting I guess:
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And an iPad Pro also has ghosts:
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Its going to do that for any screen on a camera, and depending on how fast the transition is the more "ghosting" its going to pick up.
GHOSTS!!!!!
I just brought out my 13" 2016 MBP and compared scrolling this page and see no noticeable difference.
That's going to occur with any camera when you take a photo like that. The camera is going to pick up blurred artifacts like that because the transition happens to fast for it to capture. I can do that with literally any screen and it will look the same.
Yes, the smeared photo that you responded to doesn't really do a good job of showcasing anything. It's an issue that varies based on the person's sensitivity to it and can best be seen in person.Its going to do that for any screen on a camera, and depending on how fast the transition is the more "ghosting" its going to pick up.
why is none of the many reviewers highlighting this?
That's going to occur with any camera when you take a photo like that. The camera is going to pick up blurred artifacts like that because the transition happens to fast for it to capture. I can do that with literally any screen and it will look the same.
Here is my wife's MacBook Air. I guess it has ghosting too?
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And my iMac 5K is also Ghosting I guess:
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And an iPad Pro also has ghosts:
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Its going to do that for any screen on a camera, and depending on how fast the transition is the more "ghosting" its going to pick up.
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Can you share the manufacturing date of your MBP? Mine is 2019-10-14.
Please be aware I’m not saying “here’s a photo it must be ghosting”, I do photography and I’m fully aware of how to capture something hella quick. I was using it to demonstrate what I as a human, not a camera, perceive the ghosting as on the other side. Obviously I can’t pull a screenshot/video out my eyes
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How do I do this?
I understand, but there is no way your eye is picking up that amount of trailing. It’s not possible for the human eye to detect something that fast. You might see a tiny tiny tiny fraction of that, but posting your photo and saying “Look mine does this” is completely false.
I said “this is the kind of thing you see”... it was used as an aide to paint the picture so someone knew what they were looking for. I do not have 165hz eyes you are quite correct haha. But I will argue that I see enough of it to form an opinion of when something is bad to me - of course we are all different and your tolerance may vary. I can guarantee you this panel is slower (if it’s not software which I doubt) than my external IPS which I think is 5ms. So it definitely visually “ghosts” to me. The colour shift isn’t keeping up.
Is this a real problem? I’ve been eyeing on the 16” since it came out.
if it bothers you that much return the machine and go back to your 2012. Its not a defect its just the way the screens are. Cant do anything about it so why complain? Wont change anything. There is blur if you are looking for it. Do you really want to be reading text as your scrolling the page? I can if I go slow but its noticeable. But all my Macs and phones have blur when I'm scrolling.If it doesn't bother you then thats fine; it bothers me. Maybe I'm expecting better based on the older models (a 2012 15" non-retina I use at work, for example)
I think I'm allowed to be picky on a £2.3K+ device. I'd expect this kind of screen in a lesser device, sure, but not a top end Apple device. I'm also not alone in this, so it's not just me noticing this.
if it bothers you that much return the machine and go back to your 2012. Its not a defect its just the way the screens are. Cant do anything about it so why complain? Wont change anything. There is blur if you are looking for it. Do you really want to be reading text as your scrolling the page? I can if I go slow but its noticeable. But all my Macs and phones have blur when I'm scrolling.
It is a new panel so I guess it isn’t unusual for it to have issues (be it brightness, colour, ghosting etc). As for when it’ll get fixed? Who knows.
I get what you're saying and I agree that all displays have ghosting. But to me the 16" right now is the worst display I've had from Apple with regards to this issue. Now I'm not saying its a bad product, just on a scale this would be the worst ghosting so far.
The iPhone 11 Pro I have, iPad Air, Pro, my external 4K and Asus monitors etc - All of those are much less ghosty than this. I'd put them at 10, 9, 8 on the scale while this 16" is a solid 5, average quality with regards to ghosting.
And I do agree that for £2.3K (£2.8K I paid) this shouldn't really be a thing. Now again I'm not returning it, it doesn't bother me that much but when you pay this amount of money you expect it to maintain or surpass previous machines quality, this ghosting is a definite dip in quality compared to the 2015 15" Retina MacBook Pro which I'd put at a 7 out of 10 on ghosting while this 16" is as I said a 5.
yes there is blur with scrolling but again this isn't exactly new. my 2008 had it. my 2011 MacBook Pro had it. my 2016 had it. my 2019 had it. The scrolling you are doing in that video just is something you have to deal with the rest of us. Sucks but what can you do?+1
This is exactly what my point of view is. Im wholly aware of screens and how they work (they all have some form of blur etc). For a device aimed at content creators it kind of baffles me why they chose to stick a slow response time screen in their flagship product. There will be many other products with displays that don't ghost. My AOG 1440p 165hz is 4ms and thats fine. Thats not blisteringly quick like some panels but its good. This makes me think its a 6-10ms screen, which is kinda bad for this price point/device.
I tried to demonstrate here, but make your own mind up by going and using one: