nooooo ! . old age developer and newbie is diff . New bies , if not use ram waste ram. Old think about memory , leak so on ! .
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16GB is just barely ok for serious software development
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thats mean you got big problem and mess . For us , if needed we download the branch . No need remove . If you want to debug this age language yes kinda bad e.g
front end react - one server
back end whatever node js server - one server
android studio
xcode
some other apps
totally sum if nooot close - for sure 20 gb ram easily. And if playing those docker thing one vm 2 to 4 gb and some as e.g 5 docker . You end up 28 gb.
Solution , find staff not blame the hardware .
Yep. I'm a iOS/macOS developer and use Xcode primarily and work on some very large enterprise apps and I work off of a 16gb ram MacBook from 2017 just fine with a lot of other stuff running in the background.
EDIT: To be clear our next round of dev machines, if we ever get them will have more ram, but right now it's workable.
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Tell that to my management that just gave me an M1/8gb pro for development 😂
I'm working with Xcode, a few simulators, Sketch, Safari, TablePlus, with only 8GB of RAM and it does the job but it's limited at times.
But I'll wait for M2 Pro/M2 Max and will upgrade to 16GB or 32GB.
I had 32GB from 2013 to 2021 and it's always been too much.
But I'll wait for M2 Pro/M2 Max and will upgrade to 16GB or 32GB.
I had 32GB from 2013 to 2021 and it's always been too much.
I’ll second Docker, and I’d suggest that you could probably spin up an AWS instance to host at least some of those Node servers fairly economically. I couldn’t really say anything about development performance myself, as most of my development isn’t local these days, and my local PC is just for connecting to an HVD. I could even do my work on an iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard. (Of course, I’m also currently in enterprise development, so my experience is probably foreign to most developers.)
I’m curious about what you’re using the second Node server and the second Typescript watch service for. Other than that, it seems like a pretty bog standard full-stack React environment, very reminiscent of my React days. (Though I was using Java and Spring instead of Go, and I tended to have a Java IDE open [Eclipse with the Spring extensions], as well as VS Code.)
WIth the way swap works on M1 machines and fast storage, you'll never notice it. OP is doing something else wrong if he's not just trolling.
Literally all tests that have been done show no measurable slow down due to swap, on M1 machines. OP has something else going on.
Then, how come my Mac mini doesn't use more than half of its RAM? (The language is Swedish, but it should be intelligible nonetheless). Still LYAO?
Yes, OP is using more memory and demanding more of it due to their workload. Everyone's mileage will vary.
If Swap is used, it means you ran out, not that you are running out.
Well it's a good thing I'm not a professional. I only bought a 14 inch Macbook Pro for the screen and speakers so it made sense to get base spec. If I needed the capabilities for software development I would've bought a Mac Studio.
So, this is your real take on the matter: ”The Mac will use every bit of available RAM on purpose if you use some apps.”
YMMV, everyone's needs are different.
You heard OP, this isn’t “serious” software development.
This is true. I use my M1 100% of the time and find it to be the best platform I've every used/owned. I am so happy with it and how well it performed I'll be good with it for quite a while. I want a MacPro real bad but it's power-lust more than anything and I'll likely spurge later down the road.
My usage is offset by docker, cloud, and VMs, I push this machine and it's comfortable.
Of course, there are the unfortunate souls who have to work on legacy COBOL (and worse, MUMPS) systems every day. Don’t forget to pour one out for those poor souls today!
“There but for the grace of web development go I!”
That was actually one of the first things I tested when I got an M1 Mac. Once memory ran out, some memory-heavy workloads became 30x slower, 100x slower, and even 300x slower.
SSDs are quite fast as long as you are measuring bandwidth. If you care more about latency or IOPS, they are still something like 1000x slower than RAM. If your software is actually using the memory it reserves instead of just caching data for later use, the difference between swapping and not swapping is enormous.
Agreed. People just tend to see SSD Swap and think it'll be "fast enough" until they realize it doesn't work that way.
Use vim - plenty of RAM left then.
Incidentally I was writing fairly large Go programs on an 8Gb M1 Air with no problems at all with VSCode. Rarely hit the memory pressure issues on that.
NordVPN though. Seriously? Nearly half a gig?!?!
Also run slack in a browser rather than the electron crap.
Incidentally I was writing fairly large Go programs on an 8Gb M1 Air with no problems at all with VSCode. Rarely hit the memory pressure issues on that.
NordVPN though. Seriously? Nearly half a gig?!?!
Also run slack in a browser rather than the electron crap.
I've started to wonder why many VPNs have started to jump into the half-gig memory usages.