1Password Is Now Free Mac App Store With in-app Subscription.

[Apple_Robert]

For those who have the stand-alone app, 1Password 7 (now in beta) will cost $64.99 at release. You can buy it early for $39.99.

Subscription is much cheaper.

https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-for-mac-is-lit-and-you-can-be-too/

 

[Plutonius]

For those who have the stand-alone app, 1Password 7 (now in beta) will cost $64.99 at release. You can buy it early for $39.99.

Subscription is much cheaper.

https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/28/the-1password-7-beta-for-mac-is-lit-and-you-can-be-too/

Not buying or subscribing is even cheaper .

 

[Apple_Robert]

Not buying or subscribing is even cheaper .

That is true. However, I really like what ver. 7 will be offering, not to mention the regular updates I get. I don’t mind paying $35 a year to use on all my devices.

 

[nnoble]

Not buying or subscribing is even cheaper .

Whenever these paid upgrades arrive on the scene my first reaction is usually 'Why?'. What I've got works and I really, really don't need to pay for cosmetic upgrades. My next thought is; they're releasing version 7, how long will it be before they (intentionally) make what I've got unusable? Next question I have to ask: How many logins do I have and do I really need this or am I falling into the trap of following the herd in thinking it's an 'essential' utility? The answer for me is that it is nowhere near being 'essential'.

 

[Paco II]

For me, a password manager absolutely is an essential utility. And imo 1P is the best of the bunch.

Whenever these paid upgrades arrive on the scene my first reaction is usually 'Why?'. What I've got works and I really, really don't need to pay for cosmetic upgrades. My next thought is; they're releasing version 7, how long will it be before they (intentionally) make what I've got unusable? Next question I have to ask: How many logins do I have and do I really need this or am I falling into the trap of following the herd in thinking it's an 'essential' utility? The answer for me is that it is nowhere near being 'essential'.

 

[nnoble]

For me, a password manager absolutely is an essential utility. And imo 1P is the best of the bunch.

Sure. I understand it is essential for some. Is 1Password v6 not enough? My issue is with questionable upgrades and the planned redundancy of apps that work well enough as they are. My guess is that v6 will be broken in due course for no genuine reason.

 

[Paco II]

I don't think that will happen. Agilebits seem to be a pretty decent company. What would cause v6 to stop working?

Look, the reality is that software is moving to a subscription model like so many other things. We may not like it, but it's here to stay. And honestly, if that's what it takes for companies like Agilebits to be successful, then maybe it's the right path. Software is worth way more than $.99

Sure. I understand it is essential for some. Is 1Password v6 not enough? My issue is with questionable upgrades and the planned redundancy of apps that work well enough as they are. My guess is that v6 will be broken in due course for no genuine reason.

 

[nnoble]

I don't think that will happen. Agilebits seem to be a pretty decent company. What would cause v6 to stop working?
Look, the reality is that software is moving to a subscription model like so many other things. We may not like it, but it's here to stay. And honestly, if that's what it takes for companies like Agilebits to be successful, then maybe it's the right path. Software is worth way more than $.99

[doublepost=1522813261][/doublepost]Yes. The subscription model is in the ascendancy and I understand the rationale behind it. But have you looked at the sustainable model being introduced by the developers of 'Agenda'? I like it and if it works for them, even better.
As subscription apps increase in number, so does the resistance grow to the monthly, yearly payouts that mount up. For me, the number of deleted apps is growing: Ulysses, DayOne and now, probably 1Password. The latter easily replaced by a combination of Keychain, Wallet (by Acrylic) and .......postit notes

 

[Paco II]

But what this does is put pressure on developers to ensure their app is worth a subscription. Do I want to pay a subscription for Day One journaling app? Nope. Notes app will work just fine. Am I willing to pay it for 1Password, an essential app for me that is constantly updated? Yes. Trying to use a combination of apps to replace 1Password is a fool's errand

[doublepost=1522813261][/doublepost]Yes. The subscription model is in the ascendancy and I understand the rationale behind it. But have you looked at the sustainable model being introduced by the developers of 'Agenda'? I like it and if it works for them, even better.
As subscription apps increase in number, so does the resistance grow to the monthly, yearly payouts that mount up. For me, the number of deleted apps is growing: Ulysses, DayOne and now, probably 1Password. The latter easily replaced by a combination of Keychain, Wallet (by Acrylic) and .......postit notes

 

[Brian Y]

Yeah I won't be upgrading to 7. I don't like subscription based software - I don't want to have to keep track of £20 different £1/2 payments - which soon add up.

Also I really don't like their pricing model for 7 - buy the beta cheap (seriously - who charges for betas!), or if you don't want to pre-commit or use unfinished software, you buy it at full price when released - no upgrade pricing?

Hell, even VMWare who are notorious for crappy pricing offer upgrade discounts!
[doublepost=1522833094][/doublepost]

I don't think that will happen. Agilebits seem to be a pretty decent company. What would cause v6 to stop working?

Look, the reality is that software is moving to a subscription model like so many other things. We may not like it, but it's here to stay. And honestly, if that's what it takes for companies like Agilebits to be successful, then maybe it's the right path. Software is worth way more than $.99

Software is only worth what it's worth. Personally, 1password is a convenience. Its main functionality can basically be duplicated with iCloud Keychain.

 

[Paco II]

If iCloud keychain can take care of your needs, than it is not surprising that 1Password is not worth paying for, for you. For me, between multiple vaults, vault sharing, using across multiple computers and devices with different iCloud accounts, 1Password is absolutely worth paying for. It's value will be unique to the individual.

Software is only worth what it's worth. Personally, 1password is a convenience. Its main functionality can basically be duplicated with iCloud Keychain.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Software is only worth what it's worth. Personally, 1password is a convenience. Its main functionality can basically be duplicated with iCloud Keychain.

iCloud Keychain is only if you have all Apple stuff. I have Linux, Apple, Windows, and Android. 1Password does more than just save passwords. I love I can share a vault with my wife (bills), save network settings (not just the password), sync on any platform, and a lot more.

If iCloud keychain can take care of your needs, than it is not surprising that 1Password is not worth paying for, for you. For me, between multiple vaults, vault sharing, using across multiple computers and devices with different iCloud accounts, 1Password is absolutely worth paying for. It's value will be unique to the individual.

Same here and there are some things I don’t want to be tied down to a ecosystem, and passwords is one of them.

FYI for 1Password users, they added two factor authentication.

https://support.1password.com/two-factor-authentication/

 

[bwoodruff]

Hey folks. Ben from AgileBits, the makers of 1Password, here. I just wanted to clarify the point about upgrade pricing. While it is true that for simplicity’s sake we don’t plan to do the traditional “input the old one to get a discount on the new one” upgrade deal we do plan to have a sale at launch that should allow customers who want to upgrade do so at a fair price. For any subscription customers the upgrade is included with their subscription — no need to pay anything additional.

The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us. We recognize that beta testing the right way takes a fair amount of time and so we want to offer something to people who are helping us do that. The only way to get it is by installing the beta.

And to the point about if all this is necessary... only you can make that determination, but having a secure unique password for each service/account has been proven time and time again by the breaches that we all keep reading about to be essential. Even if you end up using the tools built into your OS or browser to accomplish that I’d highly encourage you to consider that point. As Mr. Heckles alluded if you’re entirely tied to Apple’s ecosystem and/or a single web browser those tools may be sufficient.

Ben

 

[AGKyle]

Sure. I understand it is essential for some. Is 1Password v6 not enough? My issue is with questionable upgrades and the planned redundancy of apps that work well enough as they are. My guess is that v6 will be broken in due course for no genuine reason.

In addition to what Ben has said.

Version 6 will continue to work after we release version 7.

Does version 7 not provide the features or updates you need? No reason to upgrade.

But at some point we will stop providing support for version 6. We can't support a piece of software forever. At that point you'll have to make a decision.

That said, there's a lot to like about 1Password 7, and my colleagues have been working incredibly hard to make version 7 as great as it can be. Whether it's worth it is up to you though.

We read all of the feedback, good or bad.

 

[killawat]

I personally won't use a Mac that isn't running 1Password and Little Snitch.

 

[Brian Y]

Hey folks. Ben from AgileBits, the makers of 1Password, here. I just wanted to clarify the point about upgrade pricing. While it is true that for simplicity’s sake we don’t plan to do the traditional “input the old one to get a discount on the new one” upgrade deal we do plan to have a sale at launch that should allow customers who want to upgrade do so at a fair price. For any subscription customers the upgrade is included with their subscription — no need to pay anything additional.

The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us. We recognize that beta testing the right way takes a fair amount of time and so we want to offer something to people who are helping us do that. The only way to get it is by installing the beta.

And to the point about if all this is necessary... only you can make that determination, but having a secure unique password for each service/account has been proven time and time again by the breaches that we all keep reading about to be essential. Even if you end up using the tools built into your OS or browser to accomplish that I’d highly encourage you to consider that point. As Mr. Heckles alluded if you’re entirely tied to Apple’s ecosystem and/or a single web browser those tools may be sufficient.

Ben

But surely the best way to incentivise testers is to allow current users to use the beta?

Sorry, but I'm not paying $40 to beta test for you! I don't think I've actually ever seen a company charge for pre-release software.

 

[TonyK]

The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us.

Agilebits wants its users/customers to pay them to be beta testers. That is some hubris there for sure.

 

[Lioness~]

This is getting me a little confused...have I got this right?

1Password will 7 continue to be a stand-alone app that can be bought WITHOUT subscription.

Buy it as a beta and pay $39.99 or with launch later this year, when there’s no upgrade but only buying the app anew for $64.99.

But it sounds that it will be posssible to continue without subscription. So nobody have to be upset about that, right?

I won’t ever buy a subscription if I can avoid it. Other apps, options will always be more interesting to me. I don’t like being forced into that pricing-model.
I don’t like it being forced to anything.

As many others here neither do, I can hear.

So is it the prompting to upgrade to a beta that is upsetting if we already own 1Password 6?

Haven’t yet decided if it feels ok with some beta-testing for the upgrade price, or what seems like the ONLY way to upgrade instead of subscribing or buy a new app totally.

Little sneaky to force a beta testing on old loyal customers though.
But maybe that is not how Agilebit sees us, huh?
The loyal ones is probably those who subscribes, who pay them a nice flow of money, right?

Sorry for sarcasm, despite that I totally love 1Password and have had it for quite some time.
Hopefully I can continue for a longer time with this awesome app without subscription.

 

[steve62388]

But surely the best way to incentivise testers is to allow current users to use the beta?

Sorry, but I'm not paying $40 to beta test for you! I don't think I've actually ever seen a company charge for pre-release software.

Have you been living under a rock? Never heard of Steam Early Access? Kickstarter?

You’re being very selective in your point of view. The discounted price gets you the full version when it’s released. Don’t want to Beta test? Then wait for full release and pay full price. Although in this case AgileBits have said they will do a sale on launch anyway, but I suspect it will cost more than the current price. But I’m sure people will still whinge about not having a super duper special upgrade price.

Some people like to moan about everything.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Agilebits wants its users/customers to pay them to be beta testers. That is some hubris there for sure.

You’re getting a discount to be beta, and can you use the app as long as you want after the beta. I don’t see the issue here.

But surely the best way to incentivise testers is to allow current users to use the beta?

Sorry, but I'm not paying $40 to beta test for you! I don't think I've actually ever seen a company charge for pre-release software.

Then don’t and pay full price when it comes out. Problem solved.

Have you been living under a rock? Never heard of Steam Early Access? Kickstarter?

You’re being very selective in your point of view. The discounted price gets you the full version when it’s released. Don’t want to Beta test? Then wait for full release and pay full price. Although in this case AgileBits have said they will do a sale on launch anyway, but I suspect it will cost more than the current price. But I’m sure people will still whinge about not having a super duper special upgrade price.

Some people like to moan about everything.

You said it way better than me. Good point about Kickstarter.

Little sneaky to force a beta testing on old loyal customers though.
But maybe that is not how Agilebit sees us, huh?
The loyal ones is probably those who subscribes, who pay them a nice flow of money, right?

Yup, they are forcing. They twisted people arms and made them do this

The beta for 1Password 7 is probably pretty stable. It’s been in beta for months now before this discount. You can probably get it for the discounted price and be happy with it.

 

[TonyK]

In prior versions, AgileBits had people sign up to be beta testers which seemed to work well. People willing to do that could, without cost.

It is the paying to be a beta tester that rankles me and while they are not forcing people to do it, just the thought of how the company is going concerns me.

A Kickstarter campaign is different, at least in my mind, but it could be a matter of degrees. However it is Ben's statement, "The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us.", which is very troubling to me.

Also, is there going to be a family pack option? We have up-to 4 or 5 computers within our household and paying either amount is cost prohibitive.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

In prior versions, AgileBits had people sign up to be beta testers which seemed to work well. People willing to do that could, without cost.

It is the paying to be a beta tester that rankles me and while they are not forcing people to do it, just the thought of how the company is going concerns me.

A Kickstarter campaign is different, at least in my mind, but it could be a matter of degrees. However it is Ben's statement, "The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us.", which is very troubling to me.

Also, is there going to be a family pack option? We have up-to 4 or 5 computers within our household and paying either amount is cost prohibitive.

I’ve been in beta programs where beta was free, then I had to pay full price for the final release.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. For subscription users, this is already included.

I’ve said this before, 1Password 7 for Windows has been in beta for months and I bet it’s already a solid version by now.

 

[Paco II]

How ironic that you hate subscriptions, but you mention the need for a family pack, which likely means the family subscription would probably be the best deal for you price wise.

I know people hate subscriptions, but make sure you are doing the math. 4x70=$280, versus sub is $60/year, which equals like 4.5 years.

In prior versions, AgileBits had people sign up to be beta testers which seemed to work well. People willing to do that could, without cost.

It is the paying to be a beta tester that rankles me and while they are not forcing people to do it, just the thought of how the company is going concerns me.

A Kickstarter campaign is different, at least in my mind, but it could be a matter of degrees. However it is Ben's statement, "The current pricing is to help incentivize folks to beta test for us.", which is very troubling to me.

Also, is there going to be a family pack option? We have up-to 4 or 5 computers within our household and paying either amount is cost prohibitive.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I know people hate subscriptions, but make sure you are doing the math. 4x70=$280, versus sub is $60/year, which equals like 4.5 years.

And I bet you’re just including the Windows 7 Version. Now if a person have Macs, iOS, and android, that $280 price tag just got higher.

 

[Paco II]

You aren't being forced into anything. You as the customer can always choose to use another app.

In terms of subscriptions, people seriously need to be a reality check on this. If it's an app you don't use much and don't care about, sure a sub is not a good deal. But for me, I plan to use 1Password forever. I always have paid for the standalone upgrade (pre-sub). I do the math and a subscription is actually a very good deal.

As a I keep saying, do the math before you just say you hate subscriptions. Don't paint such a broad brush.

I won’t ever buy a subscription if I can avoid it. Other apps, options will always be more interesting to me. I don’t like being forced into that pricing-model.
I don’t like it being forced to anything.