I don't use it in the woods. There is always a power socket nearby so that's not even on my list of needs..
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2019 16” Intel MacBook Pro is one of the best value laptops currently available.
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I don't use it in the woods. There is always a power socket nearby so that's not even on my list of needs..
if I did not want the pc games, I would let it go. but.... since I don't want to play phone games on my computer, it stays.
You forgot to mention that you can use it as a room-heater and extra fan as well
I have an I9 16", and my M1 Macbook Pro (base) runs circles around it in every single task I throw at them, and it's QUIET and cool while doing it.
I have an I9 16", and my M1 Macbook Pro (base) runs circles around it in every single task I throw at them, and it's QUIET and cool while doing it.
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whoa I didn't realize this computer had so many issues... My 19' 16 inch has been working wonderfully since I got it shortly after release. Granted I am no power user by any means, but I have rarely ever had the fans kick on. touch bar is meh to me as I don't really use it much, but its there and it works well. I was tempted to pick up a new M3 Pro, but to be honest my current laptop is still working so well and runs Sonoma that I really couldn't justify it. After reading this thread it seems like I am holding a ticking time bomb though LOL.... I will continue to use it though and may revisit my interest for M3 Pro's when they hit the refurb store, since I get an additional 10% off the refurb price.
Sorry I didn't mean to come off as rude.
I think if you are a regular user just surfing the web and doing light text editing, you will be absolutely fine with the 19' 16 for sure
I think if you are a regular user just surfing the web and doing light text editing, you will be absolutely fine with the 19' 16 for sure
I mean they’re a great space heater for the winter if that’s what you are after.
Let's not play semantics. You knew exactly what I meant. It doesn't boot it at all, natively or not. Emulating isn't booting. It's emulating. Have you tried gaming in Parallels? It's atrocious. CrossOver, using Apple's new game import tool, is the only decent experience in that regard. I use Windows ARM via Parallels and many of the apps I normally use still don't work properly (mostly hard drive/SSD/partition type tools). It's not a great experience.
As far as the specific “ugly notch” issue… 1) it’s within the menu bar area and therefore not taking away any usable screen space and 2) you can visually make it completely disappear by using a desktop wallpaper that causes the menu bar to be black. That’s how I have it set up, and…look, no “notch”.
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Tbh I don't think that any Intel Mac is a good proposition at this point, except from some very niche use cases or if you can get it for very (very!) cheap.
Interesting regarding the SSD issue, however, if I understand correctly, it is still not fixed on the M1 and above Macs, so it doesn't really change anything regarding value. For what it's worth, my 16" i7 machine does not have this issue.
Again, you can easily get these 16" MBPs from a reputable reseller (some even offer a warranty) for as low as $500 in good condition, while you'd be lucky to get an M1 Air in decent condition for that price. And the M1 you would get would be in an anemic configuration of 8GB of shared memory and 256 GB of storage, which, in my opinion, has just as much (if not even lower) longevity than an Intel Mac.
And you get additional features that not even current MBPs get - thinner, sleeker design (although I admit, that is entirely subjective), a notch-free large color-accurate display that doesn't have slow pixel response time, touch bar, native support for Windows and x86 Mac applications. Not to mention that there are no alternatives to the 2019 16" MBP if you need a Mac with a large display.
Again, you can easily get these 16" MBPs from a reputable reseller (some even offer a warranty) for as low as $500 in good condition, while you'd be lucky to get an M1 Air in decent condition for that price. And the M1 you would get would be in an anemic configuration of 8GB of shared memory and 256 GB of storage, which, in my opinion, has just as much (if not even lower) longevity than an Intel Mac.
And you get additional features that not even current MBPs get - thinner, sleeker design (although I admit, that is entirely subjective), a notch-free large color-accurate display that doesn't have slow pixel response time, touch bar, native support for Windows and x86 Mac applications. Not to mention that there are no alternatives to the 2019 16" MBP if you need a Mac with a large display.
It's not a fault, it's a feature. Modern Macs are not supposed to boot in any other way, that's why T2 (the Secure Enclave) stores everything in the NAND. The problem is when it breaks and the owner doesn't have AC+ or warranty. The repair cost will then easily exceed the computer's value. And, of course, alla data is lost forever, anyways. The Intel 16" often fries (shortens the power supply to ground) the logic board, I'm not sure if this is the case with M-Macs. Hopefully not.
Yes it's definitely not as common as say the thing with the oleophobic coating peeling or butterfly keyboards stop working. We had 2 of these 16" ones (work use so they got quite beat) and no issues. I think the touch bar on one broke seemingly by itself from the inside and started flashing random colors. But no SSD issues personally.
My 2019 MBP was the worst Mac I ever owned. It’s was like working in an airport with jets taking off and a space heater on the desk. Poor battery life, noisy fans, throttled too much. Couldn’t wait to get rid of it for M1 Max, probably the only Mac I kept it around for less than 5-8 years.
The 2019 16" MacBook Pro is one of the single WORST value laptops Apple has ever sold, and was immediately rendered near worthless the day the M1 Pros were released. The difference is overall quality between the 2 generations 2 years apart is so vast it can't possibly be overstated. The 2019 16" is a literal space heater that will melt the skin off your legs while getting 45 minutes of battery life...because you have Safari open.
Who cares about Windows. I buy Windows machines for running Windows.
Who cares about Windows. I buy Windows machines for running Windows.
That's even worse because then the same issue can pop up to the M-series MacBooks, so the value proposition in the same price bracket as the Intel 16" tilts even more in favor of the Intel machine. The M1 Air and Pro came out a year later than the 16", so if the SSD issue is not fixed on them, they have basically the same risk of logic board failure + they have less RAM and storage with lesser features.
You're just making up excuses at this point.
Just enjoy your Intel 16" if that's the right solution for you.
Indeed they break in the same way, however if you get a new one now the hardware isn't 4 years old and thus much less likely to break. No Mac should fail after just 4 short years but the risk of failure is simply higher after 3-4 years, new devices don't fail unless they had a manufacturing defect (which would be covered under warranty).
Apple Silicon runs much cooler as well whereas the Intels especially with the i9 in the 16" heat up easily and all that extra power draw and heat probably isn't the best for the components. Admittedly, I personally don't think heat is a big issue, but cooler running components might improve reliability somewhat.
Sorry I’m not convinced. I’ve owned a couple of these and they have terrible battery life, super sonic fan noise, and get hot enough to burn your legs—certainly not very useful as a laptop.
I previously owned a 16 inch Intel MBP, and the day I traded in that battery draining, hot and noisy horror for my M1 Pro 16 inch I thought I’d died and gone to heaven.
... and if you buy the 2019 MacBook Pro 16 - which OS is the best to run, as a home computer, and for streaming, and for music production respectively.... to make sure safety and not fry the SSD ? Mine has 4 TB SSD.