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Zenter009

macrumors newbie
Feb 10, 2020
8
2
Yup that’s right - it’s affecting all models from 2018. Kinda annoying but just dealing with it and hoping a software fix will resolve it.

Any luck with working around this anyone?

I have had no luck. No one at Apple support has been able to help resolve it. I'm not sure how to get it escalated to engineer so the software/firmware fix can be manifested.

OR maybe they used an inferior wifi chip than ones they used even 5+ years ago? It's a shame how much slower it is. The speed is the only wifi issue that I'm experiencing, but it is pretty disappointing when downloading so many large files.
 

solouki

macrumors 6502
Jan 5, 2017
339
213
Hi all,

I can confirm that this has been an issue with six different 15" MBPs from 2018 through 2019. I've seen the same iperf3 slowdowns as shown above in earlier posts, I've seen the same intermittent WiFi slowdowns. These WiFi issues are often intermittent, in that they can and do "fix" themselves, often within just a few minutes, but I've also waited over 16 hours and not had the WiFi issues fix themselves. I've experienced these WiFi issues with the 2018/2019 MBPs on a number of different WiFi routers while at the same time other computers, including 2015/2016 MBPs, an iMac, and a several PCs and Raspberry Pis, all experience no WiFi slowdowns.

These WiFi issues cause every possible WiFi problem that you can imagine --- I've experienced numerous rsync broken pipes, ssh timeouts, ping timeouts, AirDrop failures, Mac App Store download failures, Software Update failures, Time Machine backup failures (one time it took 5.5 days to complete a TM backup because of the WiFi slowdowns), DNS timeouts, Safari failures to open websites, etc. All the while, the 2018/2019 MBPs are connected at SNR of 45-53 dBm, that is, at extremely strong signal to noise ratios.

I've sent Apple all of the data (packet captures, sysdiagnose, my documentation of WiFi problems, etc.) multiple times and have never had any satisfactory response. I've done all of the SMC, NVRAM, fresh install of macOSes, new machines (6 of them), and none of this has solved these WiFi issues. The hardware passes the hardware tests, so no problems, according to Apple.

In my hands, these WiFi issues are not associated with any software (I've experienced them on pristine macOS installs with no other apps installed), nor with any hardware (with and without any other equipment connected to the TB3 ports of the MBPs, including external monitors and power bricks), nor with waking from sleep mode (I've had the slowdowns at wakeup, but also in the middle of large data transfers via rsync), nor with Apple Watch wakeup (I've had them with Apple Watch wakeup turned on but also when turned off). On the other hand, I can fix the WiFi slowdowns by cycling WiFi OFF then back ON, and so this is now what I do. Whenever I experience an rsync of ssh broken pipe, I simply cycle my WiFi and then redo the rsync/ssh. It's suboptimal, but at least this works. Because these WiFi slowdowns are often intermittent, I most likely don't catch most of them when they occur, but I do experience between one and a dozen slowdowns every day. I used to document all of these WiFi troubles, but since sending the documentation to Apple did no good, I've stopped wasting my time documenting these errors.

In addition, I also experience similar intermittent disconnects with Bluetooth on the 2018/2019 MBPs, although these have gotten less frequent over time. (By the way, I have posted extensively about these issues in other threads if you would like to read further details.)

Solouki
 

ispcolohost

macrumors member
Nov 28, 2017
39
36
Glad I found this thread just before wasting my time doing an OS reinstall. I've got a 2~3 month old MBP 16 experiencing similar issues. If I'm rsync'ing to an SMB file share, or connected to VPN, if they run longer than 5-10 minutes they'll inevitably fail. If I run the Console app I can see momentary wifi disconnects, en1 interface resets, etc. Normally the device reconnects itself very quickly, <.25 sec, but the kernel issues a network reset notification which causes active software to fail.

I'm past the point of being able to return the device so I'm screwed. Apple says nothing is wrong because wifi diagnostics say nothing is wrong. Even if the wifi resets while diagnostics are in active monitoring mode, it doesn't detect an issue.
 

widemos

macrumors newbie
Dec 6, 2019
2
1
For those having speed issues on MBP 16'', check that you don't have "Remote control" feature enabled in Keynote. On mine, with this option enabled, wifi speed drops consistently to 70-80Mbps from 300-400Mbps with the option disabled.

You can see it happening here:

Hope it helps.
 

Pacyjent

macrumors newbie
Jan 10, 2019
8
5
CZ
Can confirm that MacOS 10.15.4 doesn't resolve these speed drops but I think it's somehow better. Now after wake up I get about 100/10Mbps instead of full 300/80Mbps but turning off and on wifi solves issue as before.
 

ispcolohost

macrumors member
Nov 28, 2017
39
36
ROFL; can't make this sh*t up. Decided to attempt a wipe and reinstall anyway. My MBPr 16 can't even do an internet install of Catalina because of the wifi issues. Gets anywhere from 10-20 minutes in and then...

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mochigumon

macrumors newbie
Mar 30, 2020
1
0
Happening to me too. I can get 400+ Mbps on my 2014 MacBook Pro, my 2017 iMac, and iPhone 11 Pro, yet my 16" MacBook Pro struggles to get 200 Mbps.

I've tried turning WiFi on and off, disabling Bluetooth, restarting my computer, etc with no luck.
 

mdlockyer

macrumors newbie
Feb 9, 2009
2
2
I had the same issue on my new 16" MBP. For anyone else looking for a solution, a simple PRAM reset seems to have straightened it right out. I'm now getting my usual 500Mbps down while before I was getting 150Mbps when I pulled the machine out of the box new.
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Happening to me too. I can get 400+ Mbps on my 2014 MacBook Pro, my 2017 iMac, and iPhone 11 Pro, yet my 16" MacBook Pro struggles to get 200 Mbps.

I've tried turning WiFi on and off, disabling Bluetooth, restarting my computer, etc with no luck.

I you haven't already solved this, I had the same issue and a simple PRAM reset fixed it.
 

JohnnyD.

macrumors newbie
Apr 5, 2020
1
0
Hi Guys,

So yesterday I purchased a new MBP 16" 2019. It cost me a whopping EUR 3.400 but hey... it's apple.

I signed up for a new ISP with higher down- and upload speeds.
I should have 200 mbit up and down.

I ran several speedtest and never got higher than 80 mbit. Absolutely horrible.
So I googled the issue and came to this forum reading that many people face this problem. I just cannot understand how such a simple thing can pass the quality checks @ Apple. Especially when you pay 3.400 euro for a laptop.

Anyhow, I've read through all the comments and went trouble shooting.
Tried many different things and what worked for me was to disable the 2.4 ghz Wifi.
As soon as I am on the 5ghz network I have no trouble downloading at 200 mbit. As soon as it connects to the 2.4 ghz Wifi my connection drops to around 50 mbit.

Problem is, I do have some products which can only connect to a 2.4 ghz wifi channel.
Luckily I have an option called "bandsteering" in my ISP router. My treshold for noise is -80 db. As soon as it goes beyond -80 db my router switches that connection to the 5ghz channel.

So this did the trick for me.
I hope my laptop stays on the 5ghz channel.

I hope my solution helps other as well.
Good luck guys!

Cheers.

JohnnyD.
 

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tewky1

macrumors newbie
May 13, 2020
9
2
Almost certainly this issue is related to Bluetooth. I would be interested to see if you turn of bluetooth does it improve? I keep seeing this problem, and have it myself, with bluetooth enabled(nothing connected) speed is non existant, the moment it is off, WIFI is fine. I already have confirmation in 2 other threads, interesting to see if this helps here.

Cheers
 

dpetrov

macrumors newbie
Dec 5, 2014
10
5
I did try that just now, gave it about 5min but at least in my use case it didn't make any difference.

Frequency wise, the bluetooth may indeed has some interference with WiFi channels on 2.4Ghz but when it comes to 802.11AC (which is 5Ghz) I don't see it being too much of a problem...

So good shout, but at least in my case - it didn't change the overall result :/

Can you elaborate a bit more & provide some info regarding the other threads you've mentioned? Also, how did you turn off your bluetooth? I'd assume it's as simple as turning this off?

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lexophob

macrumors newbie
Nov 8, 2016
6
0
Switzerland
Hi

I also did test with bluetooth on and off - It does not seem to have an impact:

MBP15 - 2018: ~490mbit/s up and ~580mbit/s down (bluetooth on)
MBP15 - 2018: ~540mbit/s up and ~490mbit/s down (bluetooth off)

MBP15 - mid15: ~680mbit/s up and ~660mbit/s down (bluetooth on)
MBP15 - mid15: ~650mbit/s up and ~610mbit/s down (bluetooth off)

Both machines running 10.15.4 and sitting in the exact same location.
For the 2018 model the above results are after a PRAM reset and are very good - after a little while the results are getting worse and settle around ~200mbit/s for up and downlink - like your 16 inch models!!
The mid15 model consistently gets results >600mbit/s no matter if it is up for weeks and has bluetooth on or off .. like one would expect from
a 3k computer.

Cheers
 
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dannys1

macrumors 68040
Sep 19, 2007
3,792
6,998
UK
Hi Guys,

So yesterday I purchased a new MBP 16" 2019. It cost me a whopping EUR 3.400 but hey... it's apple.

I signed up for a new ISP with higher down- and upload speeds.
I should have 200 mbit up and down.

I ran several speedtest and never got higher than 80 mbit. Absolutely horrible.
So I googled the issue and came to this forum reading that many people face this problem. I just cannot understand how such a simple thing can pass the quality checks @ Apple. Especially when you pay 3.400 euro for a laptop.

Anyhow, I've read through all the comments and went trouble shooting.
Tried many different things and what worked for me was to disable the 2.4 ghz Wifi.
As soon as I am on the 5ghz network I have no trouble downloading at 200 mbit. As soon as it connects to the 2.4 ghz Wifi my connection drops to around 50 mbit.

Problem is, I do have some products which can only connect to a 2.4 ghz wifi channel.
Luckily I have an option called "bandsteering" in my ISP router. My treshold for noise is -80 db. As soon as it goes beyond -80 db my router switches that connection to the 5ghz channel.

So this did the trick for me.
I hope my laptop stays on the 5ghz channel.

I hope my solution helps other as well.
Good luck guys!

Cheers.

JohnnyD.

What you're describing is just how 5ghz and 2.4ghz wifi works.
 
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AlexNN

macrumors newbie
Sep 21, 2018
11
2
Huh i use basic tp-link router and my connection is 100mbps , the router dont have 2.5hz only 2.4ghz wifi , so i try with dongle and cable it gets 94mbp down and up then try wifi it gets only 42mbps down but when i turn off the bluetooth it gets 66mbps its far for 94 but turn off bluetooth help a little , but yeah this sucks..i use airpods pro on bluetooth so...maybe i must buy 2.5ghz router...
 

Outback1

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2018
6
0
not sure why but my new 16" mbp is slow on the wifi and constantly drops off :( when its running its much slower in speed tests to my ipad pro 4 the ipad gets 220Mbps the mbp get 119Mbps any ideas
 

nudoru

macrumors 6502
Feb 27, 2012
294
76
Near Charlotte NC
So glad I found this thread! I came here to post exactly this. I have a launch 2019 16" and have been noticing a host of wifi slowdowns recently as I've started game streaming from Geforce Now and a local computer via Moonlight and Parsec.

I'm using the Wifi Signal menu bar app to compare speed on this computer and a 2018 15" and the older one is much more consistent in maintaining wifi speeds. My 16" will go down to 15mbps and I have to toggle off wifi and leave it off for 30 sec, before turning it on and getting decent speeds again.

I've read over this thread and just now did a pram reset and tested BT on/off. I do not have Keynote or any screen sharing, remote access enabled. Yesterday, I deleted the networking files in the SystemConfiguration libraries folder and that seems to have improved it more than anything so far.

Before this, I was looking at location services and find my mac which was causing a wifi network rescan every 5 minutes. Since deleting the SysConfig files that has stopped.

There is something going on with these computers, and I don't know if working with Apple support is worth it. I'll just wait a year for this to become "wifigate" and then another year for Apple to do a free repair. 🤣

Edit - And this fixed nothing. :( Sitting 15ft from the router w/ nothing in between and I'm getting 14mbps for with an snr of 49. Then out of nowhere, it goes back up to 1100mbps.
 
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Outback1

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2018
6
0
im on big Sur now and still slow wifi looks like all the 16" mbp,s are effected still get drop outs this cost me $7000 Aud my old 15" mid 2015 is faster so is my 12.9" 2020 iPad pro4 Mac mini cMP iMacs Apple TV,s Airs iPhones they all get 220+ Mbps my 16" at best gets 90 same router and the 16" is only 3 meters away from it :( think we should get a full price return on these if they can't fix this issue
 

nudoru

macrumors 6502
Feb 27, 2012
294
76
Near Charlotte NC
This seems to be the solution: Turn off Unlock with Apple Watch.

See this thread https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...es.2220783/page-2?post=29381330#post-29381330

I did this yesterday and so far, I haven't had any more 15mbps dips. Fingers crossed it's fixed.

I have a Google Home Wifi which doesn't allow end-users to change the frequency range or the channel. From reading that thread, the issue is worst with 80mhz width channels and channel 149 - which is what Google thinks I should be at.
 
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Outback1

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2018
6
0
This seems to be the solution: Turn off Unlock with Apple Watch.

See this thread https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...es.2220783/page-2?post=29381330#post-29381330

I did this yesterday and so far, I haven't had any more 15mbps dips. Fingers crossed it's fixed.

I have a Google Home Wifi which doesn't allow end-users to change the frequency range or the channel. From reading that thread, the issue is worst with 80mhz width channels and channel 149 - which is what Google thinks I should be at.
that only works for short time then plays up again tried this several times now
 

glindon

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2014
614
885
Phoenix
My 2018 15” has always had flaky WiFi performance. My router is literally 5 feet away and in direct line of sight. M1 air and all iOS devices have no issues. Synology RT2600. My old 2016 15” always got 1300mb connection speed. M1 gets 866mb but that’s because it doesn’t have the extra WiFi antenna like the pros.

My grand solution: I just ran an Ethernet cable around the room hooked up to a usb-c dongle.

Apple isn’t going to fix because it’s clearly hardware issue. I’ve gone through 2 macOS versions and all the minor updates between and it’s never gotten better. Never will get better.
 

Outback1

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2018
6
0
My 2018 15” has always had flaky WiFi performance. My router is literally 5 feet away and in direct line of sight. M1 air and all iOS devices have no issues. Synology RT2600. My old 2016 15” always got 1300mb connection speed. M1 gets 866mb but that’s because it doesn’t have the extra WiFi antenna like the pros.

My grand solution: I just ran an Ethernet cable around the room hooked up to a usb-c dongle.

Apple isn’t going to fix because it’s clearly hardware issue. I’ve gone through 2 macOS versions and all the minor updates between and it’s never gotten better. Never will get better.
we can always start a class action over this they are not fit for purpose
 

jpiszcz

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Mar 28, 2010
413
76
Can anyone confirm if the new MacBook Air/Pro M1 has the same issue?
 

kstotlani

macrumors 6502a
Oct 27, 2006
775
1,234
Has anyone been able to solve this problem. I just got a 16 inch macbook pro and I have a 500MBps up and down connection. I get 420 down on my windows laptop and macbook pro is 200. I am unable to figure out why it is so slow.
 
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