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Prefer Apple but I am liking the one I got. 32gb (16 + 16) Qhd 4900HS 2060 RTX, 1tb Nvme. Asus did good here. Not into ROG but this notebook has a great size, weight, build quality and battery life.

Performance is a lot of fun for the price. Ryzen flies in benchmarks and usage. If AMD delivered these, imagine what apple can do!

Can be kept cool and/or passsive or be pushed really hard(plugged in). Battery life is 12 hours doing basic stuff. Should serve me well until a revision of the ARM macs.
 
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Technerd666

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I just got the new 2020 MacBook pro 13 when it was on sale on Amazon for $1599with the ice lake i5, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. I bought the Asus about a month or so ago when it was on sale at Best Buy for $1350. With these two laptops I can do pretty much anything on any OS available to use.

I will take an Asus over a Razer any day. Apple is another ballgame altogether. However if you consider the MacBook Pro 13 is supposed to be the portable pro version of a mac able to do photo editing, video editing, and light gaming and it cost $1799 retail for the most up to date model at the lowest cost. If you compare it feature by feature besides software(of course) the Asus is a far more capable and powerful machine than the Mac in several ways. The AMD Ryzen 4900hs is a complete beast and serious game changer. It is so much faster, better integrated graphics, better battery life than anything Intel offers in the mobile space now. Asus has a 6 month lock on the 4900hs and then other manufacturers can use the same apu. Honestly, 14" is the perfect size and the G14 feels revolutionary while the MacBook is more of the same and is gimped by its usual lack of dedicated gpu and the processor although 10th gen intel is a quad core and 10nm it just can't compete with the AMD 4900hs is an octacore hyperthreaded 7nm processor. Then you say the MacBook uses premium materials, has an incredible screen and great speakers and has 512gb ssd. All that is true but you get a 1TB NVME ssd, better speakers, a good screen, and has a magnesium alloy unibody build. So if you were comparing the two and trying to decide based on features and performance not software then the Asus actually beats Apple in many ways. Now the G14 is no Razer or Apple as far as design and build quality but it is close enough that you still feel like you have a strong premium product.

As a bit of a nerd that others ask advice about laptops it is hard for me to recommend the MacBook pro 13 2020 not because it is not a great machine. It is probably the best MacBook 13" ever. It is just that the competition is so fierce and with manufacturers putting new AMD 4000 series processors in nice machines with decent gpu at decent prices it makes it hard to recommend a Mac. Again if you don't do anything that requires a dedicated GPU then the Lenovo flex 5 14" on Amazon is probably a pc that will fill 99% of average users needs. That pc costs $599!! Has the Amd 4500u, 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, 256 pci ssd, glass 10 point ips display with Wacom pen to use for note and light drawing. The AMD 4500u outperforms the Intel 10th gen i5 and i7 u series cpus and ice lake as well in the same category by a lot. Also better graphics. The Lenovo actually has a decent cooling solution and the 1080p screen in 14" seems very crisp. The colors suck compare to either of the laptops I have been comparing but for average user it would not be an issue. Decent 2 watt stereo front facing speakers and really good battery life! So if I am being honest even I could probably get away with the Lenovo. What I am saying is that anyone who buys anything above the Lenovo is buying something they probably don't need but we don't buy things just based on need and cost. There are intangibles like the software experience and materials used. Also if you are going to be using the same machine for years you want to enjoy using it not just know it can do what needs to be done.

Since this is a Mac sight I thought I would compare and contrast the Asus versus a similar mac model. To me I like to have more than one computer and more than one operating system. However if I could only have one computer I would probably get the Asus G14 even though I prefer the MacOS, the design and build quality of the Mac, I would have a hard decision because having much faster pc with double the storage would make more sense then the Mac. Also I am not really losing anything with the Asus while with the Mac there are a lot of compromises. Thermals on the Mac are not very good in comparison to the Asus. To me the Asus is a true Pro model in a compact form while the Mac is a bit of a compromise. Both are amazing machines though and anyone would be happy with either. I feel very lucky to have both. I just wanted to state despite what some have said Asus build on this machine is way better than I was expecting. Between a Razer and Mac the Asus sits between the two. I personally hate Razer build quality but love their design. Asus has a much more solid product than Razer that still looks good but Apple still makes a superior build quality product.

I would say the $1799 model MacBook 13 2020 is the sweet spot. I would not buy a more expensive model nor a cheaper model if you are interested.
 

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Picked one of these up on eBay cheaply, it's not the highest spec but an 8 core Ryzen CPU and GTX 1660 in such a small device seemed very well balanced. For the money it's giving my MBP 16" a run for it's money, it's actually quicker. Surprisingly well built and a near 10 hour battery life.
 

Technerd666

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The 1660ti is a decent graphics card and besides ray tracing is close in terms of performance to the rtx 2060 which is impressive considering the cost. I think the model you have is very good as well. I was able to pick up the model I have for $100 off and at that price the 1660ti model was not as attractive. I believe there is a base model with a 1650 as well?

The MacBook pro 16" uses a radeon 5500m which is actually a very good graphics card and is comparable to the 1660ti so performance should be about the same gpu wise as your Asus. The cpu should destroy your MacBook. I would think it is faster on most metrics and probably has better battery life. At what close to a 1/3 the price of your 16"? Plus you have a processor that is actually much more future proof than the intel 14nm chip which is a dinosaur in terms of process node. It is really a shame the spot intel has put Apple in. At least pc manufactures have the ability to offer and design pc with any chip they want to use. Apple can do the same thing but I am sure has contracts with Intel that limit their ability to purchase from AMD.

Honestly, if Apple had used AMD 4000 series apu's instead of any Intel series their laptops and did nothing else they would sell a bunch more. The AMD chips are that much better. And no wifi 6 on my MacBook pro is just inexcusable. I have a cheap Lenovo ideapad 5 not the flex 5 I was talking about earlier. It is slightly more expensive and uses a matt ips display has wifi 6. A machine that costs a third of the new MacBook. And unlike a Lenovo in which I could buy an intel wifi 6 card and install it myself I am stuck with wifi 5 forever on my mac.

I know why Apple makes these decisions like wifi 5 and I feel sometimes I am abusing myself by purchasing anyway but there are things Apple does with their software that make up for these poor hardware choices. Apple sells hardware and if they make it too good then people will not buy a new model in a two or three years. They want people buying a new mac every year but every 2 or 3 is I am sure what they bank on. If they put all the latest cutting edge hardware and didn't gimp it with poor cooling then you would never upgrade your mac. It would increase the time between sales on new units and that would hurt profits. On the other side of this is that the cpu is not as important on a mac as it is on a pc. In some ways because MacOs can be more efficient than Windows it can get away with less powerful hardware and still perform well but this does not mean that better hardware doesn't make a difference.

I guess everything is a trade off.
 

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The MacBook pro 16" uses a radeon 5500m which is actually a very good graphics card and is comparable to the 1660ti so performance should be about the same gpu wise as your Asus.

Sorry, but nope. 1660Ti is faster and better than 5500M. It's hardly a contest.
 

Technerd666

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I have had gaming laptops with 1660ti, 1650, 2060, and 5500m and benchmarked them against each other and I was very surprised by how well the 5500m did. Now cuda cores perform better in a lot of situations and obviously the radeon card does not have that advantage. It has less ram but is on a more advanced process node. Overall the 1660ti and the 2060rtx and the 5500m were very similar in my tests. Again the Nvidia cards are better due to game optimizations and better and more frequent driver updates. I was just saying that the 5500m is not a bad card and actually performs rather well considering. A lot of people say it is a terrible gpu and I don't agree. Obviously now that the 5600m is out I would rather have that and on the next MacBook Pro hopefully they will.
 

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5500M is a good GPU, never claimed otherwise. But not as good as 1660Ti. They aren't even direct competitors, since 1660ti uses more power.

5600M on the other hand is way better. And way overpriced because of Apple :(
 

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So I just picked one up for $1349 this past weekend after selling my 13-inch MacBook Pro 2018 and I am really impressed with this. Definitely outperforms my 16-inch mac in bootcamp gaming and the difference is pretty significant even with a smaller footprint.

Love the keyboard and surprised how good the trackpad is. Thought I would hate the smaller trackpad but it’s great. Most importantly, it handles the games that I play with ease such as Tomb Raider, Control and Call of Duty. The built in speakers are really good. Not 16-inch MacBook Pro level but they hold their own against the 13-inch mac and beat out most of the Windows Laptops out there. Battery life for non-gaming is like 9-10 hours so no complaints there.

If I had to nitpick at something, it would be the placement of the power connector but I could live with it. Now I just need covid to end so I can get back to my regularly scheduled business traveling.
 
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I just got the new 2020 MacBook pro 13 when it was on sale on Amazon for $1599with the ice lake i5, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. I bought the Asus about a month or so ago when it was on sale at Best Buy for $1350. With these two laptops I can do pretty much anything on any OS available to use.

I will take an Asus over a Razer any day. Apple is another ballgame altogether. However if you consider the MacBook Pro 13 is supposed to be the portable pro version of a mac able to do photo editing, video editing, and light gaming and it cost $1799 retail for the most up to date model at the lowest cost. If you compare it feature by feature besides software(of course) the Asus is a far more capable and powerful machine than the Mac in several ways. The AMD Ryzen 4900hs is a complete beast and serious game changer. It is so much faster, better integrated graphics, better battery life than anything Intel offers in the mobile space now. Asus has a 6 month lock on the 4900hs and then other manufacturers can use the same apu. Honestly, 14" is the perfect size and the G14 feels revolutionary while the MacBook is more of the same and is gimped by its usual lack of dedicated gpu and the processor although 10th gen intel is a quad core and 10nm it just can't compete with the AMD 4900hs is an octacore hyperthreaded 7nm processor. Then you say the MacBook uses premium materials, has an incredible screen and great speakers and has 512gb ssd. All that is true but you get a 1TB NVME ssd, better speakers, a good screen, and has a magnesium alloy unibody build. So if you were comparing the two and trying to decide based on features and performance not software then the Asus actually beats Apple in many ways. Now the G14 is no Razer or Apple as far as design and build quality but it is close enough that you still feel like you have a strong premium product.

As a bit of a nerd that others ask advice about laptops it is hard for me to recommend the MacBook pro 13 2020 not because it is not a great machine. It is probably the best MacBook 13" ever. It is just that the competition is so fierce and with manufacturers putting new AMD 4000 series processors in nice machines with decent gpu at decent prices it makes it hard to recommend a Mac. Again if you don't do anything that requires a dedicated GPU then the Lenovo flex 5 14" on Amazon is probably a pc that will fill 99% of average users needs. That pc costs $599!! Has the Amd 4500u, 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, 256 pci ssd, glass 10 point ips display with Wacom pen to use for note and light drawing. The AMD 4500u outperforms the Intel 10th gen i5 and i7 u series cpus and ice lake as well in the same category by a lot. Also better graphics. The Lenovo actually has a decent cooling solution and the 1080p screen in 14" seems very crisp. The colors suck compare to either of the laptops I have been comparing but for average user it would not be an issue. Decent 2 watt stereo front facing speakers and really good battery life! So if I am being honest even I could probably get away with the Lenovo. What I am saying is that anyone who buys anything above the Lenovo is buying something they probably don't need but we don't buy things just based on need and cost. There are intangibles like the software experience and materials used. Also if you are going to be using the same machine for years you want to enjoy using it not just know it can do what needs to be done.

Since this is a Mac sight I thought I would compare and contrast the Asus versus a similar mac model. To me I like to have more than one computer and more than one operating system. However if I could only have one computer I would probably get the Asus G14 even though I prefer the MacOS, the design and build quality of the Mac, I would have a hard decision because having much faster pc with double the storage would make more sense then the Mac. Also I am not really losing anything with the Asus while with the Mac there are a lot of compromises. Thermals on the Mac are not very good in comparison to the Asus. To me the Asus is a true Pro model in a compact form while the Mac is a bit of a compromise. Both are amazing machines though and anyone would be happy with either. I feel very lucky to have both. I just wanted to state despite what some have said Asus build on this machine is way better than I was expecting. Between a Razer and Mac the Asus sits between the two. I personally hate Razer build quality but love their design. Asus has a much more solid product than Razer that still looks good but Apple still makes a superior build quality product.

I would say the $1799 model MacBook 13 2020 is the sweet spot. I would not buy a more expensive model nor a cheaper model if you are interested.

Yeah the G14 is more like a cheaper version of the MacBook Pro 16. But faster in many ways. The software side is different. Apple have that part down well. Although windows does do a lot. The GPU comes in handy on the G14 and that CPU is super fast. Recommend replacing the SSD.

I wonder how the new Apple silicon will do here. That new 13" MacBook could surprise. I expect better battery life but its hard to think about performance without incompatibilities etc. I am sure some stuff will run faster emulated than native intel in some cases. But I feel lots of software may be missing early on. At the same time it's exciting.
 
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I just got the new 2020 MacBook pro 13 when it was on sale on Amazon for $1599with the ice lake i5, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. I bought the Asus about a month or so ago when it was on sale at Best Buy for $1350. With these two laptops I can do pretty much anything on any OS available to use.

I will take an Asus over a Razer any day. Apple is another ballgame altogether. However if you consider the MacBook Pro 13 is supposed to be the portable pro version of a mac able to do photo editing, video editing, and light gaming and it cost $1799 retail for the most up to date model at the lowest cost. If you compare it feature by feature besides software(of course) the Asus is a far more capable and powerful machine than the Mac in several ways. The AMD Ryzen 4900hs is a complete beast and serious game changer. It is so much faster, better integrated graphics, better battery life than anything Intel offers in the mobile space now. Asus has a 6 month lock on the 4900hs and then other manufacturers can use the same apu. Honestly, 14" is the perfect size and the G14 feels revolutionary while the MacBook is more of the same and is gimped by its usual lack of dedicated gpu and the processor although 10th gen intel is a quad core and 10nm it just can't compete with the AMD 4900hs is an octacore hyperthreaded 7nm processor. Then you say the MacBook uses premium materials, has an incredible screen and great speakers and has 512gb ssd. All that is true but you get a 1TB NVME ssd, better speakers, a good screen, and has a magnesium alloy unibody build. So if you were comparing the two and trying to decide based on features and performance not software then the Asus actually beats Apple in many ways. Now the G14 is no Razer or Apple as far as design and build quality but it is close enough that you still feel like you have a strong premium product.

As a bit of a nerd that others ask advice about laptops it is hard for me to recommend the MacBook pro 13 2020 not because it is not a great machine. It is probably the best MacBook 13" ever. It is just that the competition is so fierce and with manufacturers putting new AMD 4000 series processors in nice machines with decent gpu at decent prices it makes it hard to recommend a Mac. Again if you don't do anything that requires a dedicated GPU then the Lenovo flex 5 14" on Amazon is probably a pc that will fill 99% of average users needs. That pc costs $599!! Has the Amd 4500u, 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, 256 pci ssd, glass 10 point ips display with Wacom pen to use for note and light drawing. The AMD 4500u outperforms the Intel 10th gen i5 and i7 u series cpus and ice lake as well in the same category by a lot. Also better graphics. The Lenovo actually has a decent cooling solution and the 1080p screen in 14" seems very crisp. The colors suck compare to either of the laptops I have been comparing but for average user it would not be an issue. Decent 2 watt stereo front facing speakers and really good battery life! So if I am being honest even I could probably get away with the Lenovo. What I am saying is that anyone who buys anything above the Lenovo is buying something they probably don't need but we don't buy things just based on need and cost. There are intangibles like the software experience and materials used. Also if you are going to be using the same machine for years you want to enjoy using it not just know it can do what needs to be done.

Since this is a Mac sight I thought I would compare and contrast the Asus versus a similar mac model. To me I like to have more than one computer and more than one operating system. However if I could only have one computer I would probably get the Asus G14 even though I prefer the MacOS, the design and build quality of the Mac, I would have a hard decision because having much faster pc with double the storage would make more sense then the Mac. Also I am not really losing anything with the Asus while with the Mac there are a lot of compromises. Thermals on the Mac are not very good in comparison to the Asus. To me the Asus is a true Pro model in a compact form while the Mac is a bit of a compromise. Both are amazing machines though and anyone would be happy with either. I feel very lucky to have both. I just wanted to state despite what some have said Asus build on this machine is way better than I was expecting. Between a Razer and Mac the Asus sits between the two. I personally hate Razer build quality but love their design. Asus has a much more solid product than Razer that still looks good but Apple still makes a superior build quality product.

I would say the $1799 model MacBook 13 2020 is the sweet spot. I would not buy a more expensive model nor a cheaper model if you are interested.

This is an excellent write up and I agree with all of your points. I didn't expect to like the G14 as much as I do right now. Really caught of guard when using this in person despite seeing all the glowing reviews on this and seeing first hand that the Asus knocks out every aspect of this laptop out of the park: performance, build quality, battery life, portability, battery life, speakers... YES THE SPEAKERS are all excellent. Wish it had a built in videocam but not a big deal since I rarely use built in cameras and I have airpod pros connected for VOIP / zoom calls.

Sold my 2018 MacBook Pro 13 (still keeping my 16-inch for Final Cut) and could not be happier. You are right that Apple still has better build quality but the Asus can definitely hold its own especially if you factor in the price point. If you need a Mac for Mac specific reasons and portability (and there are a lot of us out there, myself included) then obviously you can't go wrong with the 13-inch MacBook Pro. However, if you are OS agnostic and need a power and portable desktop replacement, you would be blind, deaf and dumb for not considering the G14.

Why laptop manufacturers are still dorking around with Intel processors is just mind boggling after seeing what the Ryzen 9 4000 can do. This CPU, AMD is on to something and I'm excited to see what's next now that the new bar has been set.
 
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^ Nice video. Still eyeing the eclipse gray 1660ti model. If Best Buy puts that model on sale I might jump. Not a gamer, but as a possible video machine.

Thanks for posting.

You can find an open box of the one I got at best buy for $1100. Lowest I've seen it for new was when I got it for $1349. It's totally worth it. But yeah I wish there was the gray model available in this config :)
 
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I read this 9/21/20 review of the high-end Zephyrus G14 with the AniMe Matrix, and it's an interesting conclusion that it may not be worth the extra dollars spent because the refresh rate drops to 60GHz and has an increased resolution of 1440p, which not everyone who games likes. I don't have enough PC gaming experience (yet, that is!) to have strong feelings one way or the other, but I'm sure some of you might.

"The denser resolution may please a segment of users, but I have to imagine most gamers would prefer the other display. For one, 1080p is less demanding than 1440p for gameplay, allowing for more consistently smooth frame rates. Also, the higher refresh rate on the 1080p screen is a benefit to gamers, because the screen can actually display those additional frames, making gameplay look smoother. Capped at 60Hz, any games that the laptop can run above 60fps will leave excess rendered frames on the table, unseen. You’re also paying more for this feature (in addition to the lid lighting), so that trade-off may not be worth it for everyone."

 
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Something else I learned about buying Asus machines from Best Buy: you can't purchase the Asus premium care plans; the only option is to buy a Geek Squad total care plan. It's some special arrangement Best Buy has with Asus, but it's clearly stated in the Asus plan descriptions that (at least for this machine) BB purchases aren't eligible. I'm not on my G14 atm to paste a screenshot, but you can see it in the MyAsus app.

I'd consider a premium care plan, but as much as I like buying from BB, I have an old aversion to Geek Squad plans.
 
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Something else I learned about buying Asus machines from Best Buy:
Yeah, that is true. Warranty side is weak on this laptop. Asus itself doesn't much care about warranty obligations and BB is also free of charge after the return window closes.
One pro tip: don't charge using usb-c and original charger at the same time. Lots of users reported burnt motherboards, when suddenly left usb-c charger in while also connecting the normal charger.
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Anyway looking forward to buy this laptop soon, especially because of matte FHD screen, which should be perfect for my work with texts all day.
 

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Something else I learned about buying Asus machines from Best Buy: you can't purchase the Asus premium care plans; the only option is to buy a Geek Squad total care plan. It's some special arrangement Best Buy has with Asus, but it's clearly stated in the Asus plan descriptions that (at least for this machine) BB purchases aren't eligible. I'm not on my G14 atm to paste a screenshot, but you can see it in the MyAsus app.

I'd consider a premium care plan, but as much as I like buying from BB, I have an old aversion to Geek Squad plans.

See if you credit card has extended warranty plan on purchases. American express adds another extra year of warranty covering the entire replacement or repair cost
 
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Yes, I discovered the Asus plans will not cover BB units while I was debating the G14 Zephyrus at Asus’ site earlier this morning. Came very close to pulling the trigger on the wonky looking Acrynm special edition, but held off. Thanks @Namara for posting the article about the AniMe Matrix (I don’t need that), but as typical with me & Asus, I love some of their ROG laptop designs. Yes, my design geek is conflicted with the Acrynm keyboard — Oooohh and Yikes!! 😛

Also appreciate knowing how to charge these machines: I use the original chargers anyway.

I’ll continue to wait for sales on the 1660ti model, have a feeling BB may put that model on sale soon. Keep thinking I may need a PC laptop here because of AS.
 
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F.Y.I. this G14 model and the 8gb eclipse Gray model are on sale at Best Buy right now.
And that is a really good price for 4900hs/2060 for $1200 or $995 open-box.
But i couldn't get rid of a feeling, that the display is too small in height, because of the aspect ratio and 14'' housing.
Luckily i had a chance to see the display model, before even thinking about it.
Currently chasing after 17" amd Legion 5, which is out of stock now.
 
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