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stanza.richi

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I know that isn’t exactly the question, but I can say I’m still using my 12.9” iPP 2018 64 gb for the same kind of activity that you want to do plus video editing (short full hd videos of my surgeries) and I haven’t got any kind of problems.
 

Digitalguy

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A 4th-gen iPad Pro would not qualify, way too new.

It’s probably not battery health related, either usage or settings is the culprit.
Not necessarily. While normal ("healthy") cycles would unlikely wear battery below 80% according to Apple standards (which is the threshold to quality) in a couple of years, you can "destroy" a battery in a year or less with "unhealthy" usage. Most typical is leaving the iPad dead for days or weeks. This can even kill some cells and cause sudden drops in battery remaining while using the device.
 

Digitalguy

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Is there a way to check the battery health?
You can use a free software called iMazing (Mac or PC). While it does not match Apple battery check, if is below 70% you could have a good chance of battery health being below 80% for Apple (in order to qualify for battery service)
 

FeliApple

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Not necessarily. While normal ("healthy") cycles would unlikely wear battery below 80% according to Apple standards (which is the threshold to quality) in a couple of years, you can "destroy" a battery in a year or less with "unhealthy" usage. Most typical is leaving the iPad dead for days or weeks. This can even kill some cells and cause sudden drops in battery remaining while using the device.
Yeah, but OP said they’re charging daily. Standard usage won’t kill a battery that quickly, especially not an iPad one.
 

Digitalguy

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Yeah, but OP said they’re charging daily. Standard usage won’t kill a battery that quickly, especially not an iPad one.
Yeah it's very unlikely to go below 80% (by Apple standards) in 2 years without extreme conditions like leaving the iPad dead for prolongued periods. And in my experience indeed people who claim that battery life if much shorter than it was still have a battery above 80% (which is not even true 80% since a new battery actually starts at around 106%) but have shorter stand-by times due to either iPadOS updates or backgroud apps. But knowing the reported iMazing battery health would allow to have an idea of where the iPad is now...
 

FeliApple

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Yeah it's very unlikely to go below 80% (by Apple standards) in 2 years without extreme conditions like leaving the iPad dead for prolongued periods. And in my experience indeed people who claim that battery life if much shorter than it was still have a battery above 80% (which is not even true 80% since a new battery actually starts at around 106%) but have shorter stand-by times due to either iPadOS updates or backgroud apps. But knowing the reported iMazing battery health would allow to have an idea of where the iPad is now...
Standby time being abhorrent doesn’t even require updates, original version devices have had poor standby time since iPadOS 13, unfortunately. My Air 5 on iPadOS 15 isn’t great, and it’s the latest device on its original iOS version.

I guess it gives some information but I think it’s less relevant than it’s given credit for. The device should be a great buy today, imo.
 

Aniseedvan

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Remembered there was a way by looking in the most recent analytics file. It says 89%, I’m guessing it’s just heavily used. No chance it ever gets left, in an uncharged state!
 

Digitalguy

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Standby time being abhorrent doesn’t even require updates, original version devices have had poor standby time since iPadOS 13, unfortunately. My Air 5 on iPadOS 15 isn’t great, and it’s the latest device on its original iOS version.

I guess it gives some information but I think it’s less relevant than it’s given credit for. The device should be a great buy today, imo.
Yes, since iPadOS Find My is reported as the culprit for poor standby (even if you have disabled location and every other find my service). If that's the only cause or if there are other non reported causes, only Apple knows. The only thing that seems to work in improving standby dramatically is disconnecting from the Internet.
 

Digitalguy

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Remembered there was a way by looking in the most recent analytics file. It says 89%, I’m guessing it’s just heavily used. No chance it ever gets left, in an uncharged state!
At 89% it will take several years before it's at a level where it qualifies for battery service. And battery life is probably not very different from what it was when new. It's just that usage may have changed.
 

FeliApple

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Yes, since iPadOS Find My is reported as the culprit for poor standby (even if you have disabled location and every other find my service). If that's the only cause or if there are other non reported causes, only Apple knows. The only thing that seems to work in improving standby dramatically is disconnecting from the Internet.
I’ve tried everything, My Air 5 on iPadOS 15 is far worse than my 9.7-inch iPad Pro on iOS 12, a device with three major updates and 6 years older. On Airplane Mode it’s still poor.
 

spiderman0616

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$619 iPad Pro 11 A12Z/6GB 256GB
$719 iPad Pro 11 M1/8GB 256GB

For the $100 difference between the 2020 and 2021, I’m more inclined to go with 2021. Should last longer plus it already supports iPadOS features like swap file that the 2020 model doesn’t have.
OP, this is the person you need to listen to.
 

cateye

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OP here! Bowed out so as not to interrupt the ways in which this conversation had evolved, but, I did in fact end up with an Apple refurb 2021 11" M1 Pro. Is it actually better than a 2020? Probably, but as others pointed out, the price delta was not really enough to worry about and now I have an iPad that'll probably have years of support still.
 

FeliApple

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OP here! Bowed out so as not to interrupt the ways in which this conversation had evolved, but, I did in fact end up with an Apple refurb 2021 11" M1 Pro. Is it actually better than a 2020? Probably, but as others pointed out, the price delta was not really enough to worry about and now I have an iPad that'll probably have years of support still.
If the 4th-gen is a good buy, the 5th-gen is an even better buy. Congratulations, enjoy it!
 

Silly John Fatty

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It’s very odd. Because the rest of the device is perfectly smooth, it’s just the keyboard. It seems like it’s the first thing that breaks after updates, and I really don’t know why.

I don’t know your tolerance levels, but I found that if the only issue is infrequent keyboard lag, then it’s quite tolerable. If the rest works fine, perhaps that isolated incident won’t bother you too much.

This has only happened on iOS 12 and only when compared with iOS 11 and only on some devices. iPhone 6 and iPad Air 1 users don’t have good things to say about iOS 12, and Apple actually advertised better performance on older devices. That won’t happen.

You can share a screenshot of a partial charge if you like, too. I can more or less have an idea with that.

Yeah, when it drops too quickly it’s very annoying, on iPads but especially on iPhones. Nobody likes to chase power outlets or to have to carry a power bank everywhere. Some people may be fine with it but I’m sure they’d prefer not to have to carry one!

So far it runs fine and I haven't noticed any excessive battery drainage. I'd say it's the same as before.

There's very very slight lags some times, but really only very rarely, in some situations. In 99% of the time, I don't notice any difference to iOS 14. It's still super-duper fast. As if I had never updates. That makes me happy, because this device is from 2018. So it's 5 years old and still running like new (I'd be pissed if it wasn't).

One thing I noticed however, is that some Safari pages don't load well. It looks as if I had slow internet, but a fix is to close the Safari window and re-open it and it will instantly load the page. My internet connection is fine and I also don't think it's a lag, it's rather a glitch in the OS I believe. I had this with an earlier OS as well. I just noticed in fact that it just have been fixed with an older update at some point. Hope this here will be fixed too.

And writing this entire block of text, the keyboard lagged just once, super super shortly, barely noticeable. Otherwise, everything is still ultra smooth and fast.
 
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