Sure. My point was that with both processor architecture and OS being common to most Apple products, engineers should be able to move between projects reasonably easily.
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Sure. My point was that with both processor architecture and OS being common to most Apple products, engineers should be able to move between projects reasonably easily.
This forum has about 75% clickbait threads, at least as far as threads that are shown on the title page that get the most traffic go, and anything related to the iPhone is clickbait amplified, I wouldn't take this as scientific evidence for any actual problem.
(Yes, somebody always has a problem with something.)
Well, you have 2 unsupported GPUs in your system, the 2023 was clearly not designed for you. Just saying.
As much as I dislike these YouTubers (their main source of income is ads on YT and they create low-end content which has nothing to do with the professional high end field), he had a point at the end about fitting in a PCIe SSD card to work on .red files, which are not natively supported on the M-class SoC...and also his point about the 2023MP being just like the M1 Air (which I have) keeping same old design, just to "transition" as a v1 of a product. Which makes sense.
Apple literally took the G4 Mac Pro cheesegrater and turned it into Intel in 2006 and then kept refining it until Power-PC was out of the picture.
I am pretty sure they will make it better in 2024/2025. Give them a chance.
For now, keep 2019 MP (if you have it) or get a M2 Mini Pro or Mac Studio Max/Ultra (M1 are on sale, or M2 if you want current)
It was the Power Mac G5 design. The G4 and G3 were plastic based and varied over the years. G5 was aluminum and the first cheese grater Power Mac design. Then the Mac Pro came out changing the internals completely, giving pros the kitchen sink (that Steve Jobs was wanting to give them) compared to what Apple could do with the hot G5. It brought back the dual optical drives like the G4 had previously and so much internal expansion compared to the Power Mac G5.
You're clearly missing the point however that (ignoring the trashcan) every mac pro has supported industry standards and thus has implicitly supported my setup.
Not quite. You might want to look back.
The G4 was a plasticky monstrosity. I used them a lot back in the day. No cheesegrater elements on it.
The G5 (as advertised by Jeff Goldblum) was the first cheesegrater design.
The Mac Pro 5,1 was a great machine that through good fortune could be expanded wildly beyond the original thoughts.
If you would tell them back then a 5,1 would be running dual X5690s, 128GB or even 256GB ram, heaps of fast NVME storage and a 32GB Radeon Pro W6800 they probably wouldn’t believe you. Yet they can and do.
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Which industry standards? PCIe slots?
The last Mac Pro before the 7,1 was the Trashcan and it only had built in AMD GPUs with no PCIe slots.
Before that was the 2012 Mac Pro (which was already 6 years old by now from the first 2006 Intel Mac Pro introduction). This was 11 years ago...
The 7,1 introduced PCIe slots again, after a 6 year hiatus. The 7,1 did not support NVIDIA GPUs whatsoever. Only (barely) AMD GPUs.
Apple removed NVIDIA GPU support a long time ago...just because it has PCIe slots, doesn't mean it's going to do what you want it to do.
Honestly I suggest a Mac Studio Max/Ultra or Mac Mini Pro and a high end PC + KVM Switch for you. You'll be so much happier.
Me on the other hand, I'm in macOS 99.999% of the time, so either way I'm happy.
Alright that was a typo on my end. I was talking about the G5 and Dual G5...as well as the watercooled G5 (which was a nightmare).
But my point still stands.
Apple introduced the Intel Mac Pro in 2006 and took the G5 cheesegrater design and tweaked it for Intel.
Apple did the same (imo) for 7,1 to the new one. We will see refinements imo. They also did the same with Mac Mini M1, MacBook Air M1 (using old chassis)
Btw I had the G4, skipped the G5 and got the Intel Mac Pros 2006.
I think Apple DID have the M2 Ultra x2 aka M2 Extreme in the pipeline. But the pandemic threw major hurdles at the proposal.
The cost of developing a soc is in the billions, AND M2 is looking like a stop-gap soc at this point anyway.
PLUS there is an economic downturn with freelancers being less likely to put in the money for a base m2 extreme at 14999$ or whatever it would be..
So they release Mac Pro w Ultra and let the Mac Studio shine, because it WILL sell more with the same guts as a Mac Pro.
…..And the people that need internal expansion, they buy a Mac Pro.
Come M3, I guess we hope that we will see a redesigned Mac Pro with a M3 Extreme. And Mac Studio is left with a Max and a Ultra as I believe the plan was initially.
The cost of developing a soc is in the billions, AND M2 is looking like a stop-gap soc at this point anyway.
PLUS there is an economic downturn with freelancers being less likely to put in the money for a base m2 extreme at 14999$ or whatever it would be..
So they release Mac Pro w Ultra and let the Mac Studio shine, because it WILL sell more with the same guts as a Mac Pro.
…..And the people that need internal expansion, they buy a Mac Pro.
Come M3, I guess we hope that we will see a redesigned Mac Pro with a M3 Extreme. And Mac Studio is left with a Max and a Ultra as I believe the plan was initially.
Anyone that used to be served by this market and no longer is, should be silenced and not complain about it
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Wrong. One OWC Ssd card saturates the bus. Each additional card kills the bandwidth to that card. You can have one fast Ssd card, or audio input card, but not both.
Congrats! Why would it anger me. Super happy for you if it helps your daily be better.
Few points, you should get a 400gbe nic instead of the 100!
Also, considering the PCI bandwidth sharing between the Ssd and the 100gbe nic, you may encounter some throttling between the 2. Hopefully that is irrelevant for the work you do in that you don’t need max bandwidth from both simultaneously.
How is that wrong? I made an "if"/"then" statement. You determined the condition was a Boolean false, therefore my "then" did not apply.
I have not yet seen any 400 GbE NICs for OSX and that would require a PCIe 5.0 x16 slot - so maybe in the next revision!