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cyb3rdud3

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Me three :)

Well, this is all a bit fun for the new year. And in a perverted manner, Ferrari was his second choice. It is quite clear that those Red Bull rumours were true then. It makes perfect sense to me, why wouldn't he want to be with a winning team. Oh just imagine both Max and Lewis in a Red Bull. Now that would provide some fireworks...
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I'd really like to see Alex in there. It will be interesting to how eager drivers are to jump at this. Perhaps 6 or 7 contenders. Lewis must be seeing that the W15/W16 is a dog, and that Mercedes is completely focused on the 2026 W17. I'm not convinced Ferrari will be the main competition to the RB20. I think the MCL38 is going to be very fast and consistent.

This could end up as simply a lateral move for Lewis. Time will tell. I don't see this as a guaranteed chance at #8 at all.I don't see Leclerc moving over for him. This has all the markings of another Hamilton/Rosberg 2016 (F1 would love that.)

If Ferrari were not up front with Leclerc when he re-signed that would be unfortunate, but not unprecedented. Will be interesting to see which way the pendulum swings..........

It’ll all depend who is consistently faster as Ferrari are one of the few teams that have a history of picking a number one, although not so much under recent management. Charles has been ordered to move over for Carlos a few times and he’s done it, so he may not have a choice if it’s Lewis. Then again Charles is much younger and may outperform a 40 year old Lewis by then. I think Lewis is going there, not necessarily because he thinks he’ll get his eighth title, but because he wanted to experience working for Maranello before he retires. Had the opportunity not come up, I think he’d have finished his racing days with Mercedes. His main legacy will be with Mercedes and he’s had an incredible career, but I hope his last stint with Ferrari is interesting.

Another wild card option for Mercedes that I haven’t seen mentioned, reserve driver Mick Schumacher? Toto has been very vocal about him deserving a drive and we could all be shocked maybe.
 

cyb3rdud3

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It’ll all depend who is consistently faster as Ferrari are one of the few teams that have a history of picking a number one, although not so much under recent management. Charles has been ordered to move over for Carlos a few times and he’s done it, so he may not have a choice if it’s Lewis. Then again Charles is much younger and may outperform a 40 year old Lewis by then. I think Lewis is going there, not necessarily because he thinks he’ll get his eighth title, but because he wanted to experience working for Maranello before he retires. Had the opportunity not come up, I think he’d have finished his racing days with Mercedes. His main legacy will be with Mercedes and he’s had an incredible career, but I hope his last stint with Ferrari is interesting.

Another wild card option for Mercedes that I haven’t seen mentioned, reserve driver Mick Schumacher? Toto has been very vocal about him deserving a drive and we could all be shocked maybe.
Toto has indeed, I don't see it in Mick. Good driver imo but not outstanding. Mercedes requires a miracle. They need Max 🤣😇
 

laptech

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I wonder how much input drivers have with the cars designers because it is the drivers who can feel all the bumps and grinds of the car, can feel it oversteering or understeering at given times during a race. The driver could give the car designers so much input but I do wonder if it is something the car designers listen to because if it is then Lewis going over to Ferrari would be good for them in terms of having a very experienced driver who could help initially improve things with the car.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I wonder how much input drivers have with the cars designers because it is the drivers who can feel all the bumps and grinds of the car, can feel it oversteering or understeering at given times during a race. The driver could give the car designers so much input but I do wonder if it is something the car designers listen to because if it is then Lewis going over to Ferrari would be good for them in terms of having a very experienced driver who could help initially improve things with the car.
They have, but I wouldn't rate Lewis being very good at it looking at his recent track record...I wouldn't hire him to win, nor get that kind of experience, I'd hire him to make money off his brand and followers.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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I wonder how much input drivers have with the cars designers because it is the drivers who can feel all the bumps and grinds of the car, can feel it oversteering or understeering at given times during a race. The driver could give the car designers so much input but I do wonder if it is something the car designers listen to because if it is then Lewis going over to Ferrari would be good for them in terms of having a very experienced driver who could help initially improve things with the car.
I think a lot of fans assume cars are designed to a drivers specification and it often gets mentioned in discussions, but I think it only goes so far. Often a car is designed to meet the regulations and in a direction where the technical lead thinks it will be competitive. The driver element is adpated into the package with their preferences as a secondary I would say. When teams work with drivers over many seasons, they get a sense of what the driver is looking for and will consider this.

The Mercedes W13 and W14 reminds me of a scenario Williams faced with the FW14/FW15/FW16 where they designed the car around one element that they believed in. With Williams they were 2 years into believing in active suspension when it was banned for 1994 and found themselves in a position where they had to adapt the design with legacy principles. Mercedes did this with the flat/compact sidepods and no amount of driver experience could provide feedback to help for far too much time. Williams bizarrely managed to solve much of their issues by Imola in 1994 where Senna finally felt comfortable in the car, but the front wing was still sensitive to the ride height of the chassis, and heavy bumps meant the load on the front wing became significant, making the rear dangerously light. Unless the driver understands the physics themselves, their feedback is very basic. Lewis has the second most experience on the grid, but I don't think his feedback will instantly help Ferrari. Of course we have to expect certain engineers and personnel who have worked with Lewis with perhaps follow him to Ferrari which will help. That is often the case when drivers move teams.
 

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They have, but I wouldn't rate Lewis being very good at it looking at his recent track record...I wouldn't hire him to win, nor get that kind of experience, I'd hire him to make money off his brand and followers.
Given the apparent decrease in viewership (or so I've heard), the organisation must be very pleased with the news. Even in my mind I wasn't very excited for this year given the grid remained the exact same.
 
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CWallace

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Another wild card option for Mercedes that I haven’t seen mentioned, reserve driver Mick Schumacher? Toto has been very vocal about him deserving a drive and we could all be shocked maybe.

The Race was pretty sure Mick was not going to be an option. Their "wild card" pick was promoting Andrea Kimi Antonelli out of F2 and if he does well this season, he might have a real shot at it.
 
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CWallace

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I’ve seen a few suggestions Peter Bonnington is going with Lewis to Ferrari.

Makes sense for him to come over if he is comfortable in doing so since he and Lewis have a long and solid working relationship.

It’ll be interesting if any senior engineering staff follow too.

Ferrari did poach some senior engineering talent from both AMG Mercedes and Red Bull last year who are now off "gardening leave" and are free to work on the 2024 campaign.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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I'm seeing rumors that Alex Albon signed a 3 year deal with Red Bull Racing starting 2025. Not confirmed yet, I like it though if its true. Although Sainz would also be interesting.
 
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headlessmike

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With Hamilton to Ferrari and Albon rumored for Red Bull, I'd like to see Sainz go to Mercedes. He's proven himself worthy of a seat in a top team in my opinion and Sauber/Audi is too uncertain of a move.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Ok, I now understand that there are 100 miljoen reasons each year Lewis is at Ferrari. Wow 🤩 Enjoy.

I wonder what Charles thinks of that. Or Carlos who was the only non Red bull winner.
 

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HAAS VF-24 3D render

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Williams and Sauber tomorrow...
 
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cyb3rdud3

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Well it’s Sunday. One month away, best get in the mood as we all know Sunday is Netherlands national anthem day 🤣🥰

 

CWallace

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Wonder if this is a prelude to them filing a lawsuit to be allowed to join the Circus before the next Concorde agreement comes into force. It is believed that the Dilution Fee will jump from $200 million to $600 million with the new CA and they could conceivably cap the possible number of teams at 10 (down from the current 12).

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Glideslope

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I’ve seen a few suggestions Peter Bonnington is going with Lewis to Ferrari. It’ll be interesting if any senior engineering staff follow too.

I don't believe it will be Bono's call. Reports are that his wife is not willing to move the children from Great Britain to Italy. Time will tell if he is willing to live separately. I'd bet against it.

We also have the interesting event of Bono spending the time with Horner and wife at the Royal Artillery Hunt Point to Point Races the weekend of Jan 27th.

Should be interesting........
 

laptech

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Ferrari must see something in Lewis because they are not going to hire an old, potentially washed out driver just so it can tick a box off on Lewis list of things to achieve. Ferrari will want drivers that can win for them. Many F1 fans think Lewis is past it now and should retire but for some reason Ferrari see something in Lewis that the doubting fans do not.
 

Apple fanboy

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Ferrari must see something in Lewis because they are not going to hire an old, potentially washed out driver just so it can tick a box off on Lewis list of things to achieve. Ferrari will want drivers that can win for them. Many F1 fans think Lewis is past it now and should retire but for some reason Ferrari see something in Lewis that the doubting fans do not.
To be honest his car has been pretty bad the last two seasons. I think if they were racing the 2020 or 2021 season now, the results would be pretty similar.

I suspect they are hoping he will help develop the car. Race wins would be great to of course, but when he moved from McLaren to Mercedes many thought it was a backwards step. However that proved to be far from the case.
Obviously I’m not saying the Mercedes dominance was all down to Lewis (just like RB is not all down to Max), but it’s certainly a part of it.
 

laptech

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I wonder how many Michael Schumacher fan's will be hopping that Lewis fails at Ferrari because they do not want Lewis winning an 8th title at the team where Michael was at his most proficient.
 
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