Lol well that's too bad for you then. You can "disagree" with reality all you want. That doesn't change anything.
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27” IMac owners looking to upgrade: What will you do now that the 27” didn’t get an upgrade?
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As long as this iMac can make it another several months — it’s made it 6 years and 3 months already — I’ll wait and see what the larger redesigned iMac has to offer, and assess my options once both are available. If I don’t find the larger iMac appealing, a 24" iMac with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD is certainly in the cards.
On paper, it seems to be a lateral move from the quad-core i5-4690 and 16 GB RAM in my current iMac, but the M1’s cores are so much faster that it’d mean a huge jump in performance. For the right price I certainly wouldn’t complain about having, say, 8 or 12 performance cores and 32 GB RAM, though.
One of the best things you can do on this site is simply ignore people who speak in absolutes as though they are the one true knower of what Apple will do, outside the few areas where Apple has indicated its plans (like autonomous vehicles and mixed reality) or lack thereof (like putting touchscreens in Macs).
This person also purports to know for sure that the larger iMac will have a 6K panel. They don’t know that; they have as much of an idea about Apple’s plans for the larger iMac as you or I do. They are blustering and thrive solely on the attention, and you can type until your fingers fall off and their mind won’t be changed.
I've the entry 2017 5K model, but with upgraded RAM (32GB) and SSD (1TB).
Not the fastest beast to game or render stuff, but it's damn silent, has a beautiful screen, useful ports and looks mature, unlike that new 24" iMac with those fancy colors and ugly white bezels. So I will wait, and if that takes another 1-2 years until I am ready to switch the train, so be it. However, I might swap my 2015 Macbook Pro before.
Not the fastest beast to game or render stuff, but it's damn silent, has a beautiful screen, useful ports and looks mature, unlike that new 24" iMac with those fancy colors and ugly white bezels. So I will wait, and if that takes another 1-2 years until I am ready to switch the train, so be it. However, I might swap my 2015 Macbook Pro before.
This is not a good way to judge or predict anything. Things change, and not necessarily the way you want. We 'always had' an affordable Mac Pro that started at $2500...until the day it started at $5000 instead.
An iMac that gets the same system as the upcoming MacBook Pro will be an iMac Pro. This isn't complicated.
No, it doesn't. There are no rules to determine that. The old iMac Pro was a stop gap performance wise ahead of the Mac Pro and was $4000+. The next iMac Pro will be much cheaper.
Because they can? Because consumers overwhelmingly buy the cheaper 21" model and now get a much better 24" model to replace it? Because Apple isn't going to make an entire product to fill a tiny niche which is consumers that want bigger and better (but not that good)?
You have not made any "likely" statements here.
"I want" is not an argument that makes it more likely.
"They used to" is not an argument that makes it more likely.
Here are the arguments that matter that dictate what is coming:
1. The reliable leakers state that the bigger iMac is very big, indicating much bigger than 27". In all likelihood, this means 32". 32" 6K display = more money = no longer in the realm of the old 27" iMac.
2. All of Apple's Apple Silicon releases point toward a very strict return to consumer and pro differentiation with less cross over than before. The consumer machines have all been released, with the M1. The next products on the horizon are all Pro machines. If a consumer iMac with a screen larger than 24" that sports an M1 existed, it would be for sale right now.
3. The move to 24" for the consumer iMac, like it or not, is a dead giveaway. You don't get to ignore this important fact because it doesn't agree with your preference.
Yeah OK. Or you can pay attention to the known facts and leave your own personal desire out of it, and then you'll arrive at the same conclusions.
Justify your statement. How is it "more likely" to be 30"?
1. reliable leaker already claims it is much larger than the previous. So is "much larger" 30" or 32"? You can figure that out for yourself.
2. there are no panels readily available for Apple at either size: they need to make their own. neither is more likely than the other on this point.
3. Apple already has made a 32" 6K panel. They have not made a 30" 5.5K panel.
So exactly how is 30" more likely?
One leaker saying it's 'much larger' means absolutely nothing. A 30" screen is 'much larger' than a 27" screen.
30" simply makes more sense. The 21" iMac saw a 3" size bump increase. I see no reason why the 27" iMac would not follow suit.
A 32" 6K panel would cost a lot more than a 30" 5.5K panel. Unlike you, I believe there will be a non-Pro 30" iMac. Makes sense to put a 5.5K screen on such a model.
It will be interesting to see how Apple will name the bigger iMac. I think they will go with iMac Pro, especially if they want to justify the price increase. The thing is though that we are all speculating, based on information or opinions of leakers.
It seems that there will be a differentiation between Pro and consumer machines, but then, the 13" MacBook Pro is a pro level machine and still has the same processor as the MacBook Air, the Mac Mini and the new 24" iMac. The argument that only the bigger display computers are pro is not correct.
Today I watched the iMac 24" unveil keynote once more and I had some interesting remarks to make:
- Apple spoke of Pro apps, especially Final Cut and Adobe Photoshop and how great the M1 on the new iMac is. Doesn't seem consumer oriented to me.
- On the many videos they presented the showed us situations where the new iMac 24" is perfect or very well suited for. In these videos they also showed an office with two iMacs and people doing work on them. This also doesn't seem consumer oriented to me.
I am also torn if I should sell my 2019 i5 3,7Ghz iMac 27" and get the 24" model. I decided to wait and see what is coming in the next months and then I will make a decision. For me it will be important that the 27" iMac replacement isn't huge. If Apple makes it the same dimensions as the current 27" and manages to fit a larger display, then it will be great and I am probably getting the bigger iMac. If not and if the price is above 5k, I will definitely go with the 24" iMac..
Ah, yes, there is no crossover whatsoever between the MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro with M1.
Not necessarily. LG already has a factory making 32" 6K panels for the Pro Display XDR. Using the same panel in the iMac Pro means greater production scale which will drive down the unit price.
LG would need to either create a new production line to make a 5.5K 30" panel, or they use the Pro Display XDR production line and cut smaller panels from the mother glass. I would not be surprised if the mother glass is designed around the 32" panel (maximizing yield per sheet) so making a smaller panel just wastes glass, raising the price per panel.
At launch, Apple was said to be paying $1500 per panel for the Pro Display XDR. If production scale and process efficiencies can get that down to $1000 per panel in an iMac Pro, I am confident they can hit $2499 with 8GB of RAM and 512GB of SSD and hoping they can hit $1999.
Not one reason to believe that. Although an upgrade of the 21.5", it is a downgrade compared to the 27" — fewer ports, less available maximum storage, less definition in the smaller display, no 10GBE option and weaker GPU.
Most telling of all: The 21.5" iMac is no longer available new except in two versions of the base model (256GB SSD and 1TB Fusion). The 27" is still available for BTO with options for 10GBE, 8TB storage plus more USB ports and the ability to run 2 external monitors for a max price of $5,999 (unless stupid enough to order Apple RAM then add $2,400 to max it out).
Perhaps you don't think that consumers want these option choices but Apple certainly knows that they do. Having ordered one upon release last year, I concur.
Let us see how much crossover there is in 2022 when the options are:
- a 13.3" MacBook with 2 USB4 ports and the M1 SoC available in multiple colors;
- a 14" MacBook Pro with 3 USB ports, MagSafe, HDMI and SD Card and a MiniLED display with the M2 SoC and available in Silver or Space Grey.
I believe they need to hit a $2000 price point for a base model 27" iMac update. Can they reach that with a 32" 6K panel? I'm assuming they cannot. Also I feel they could make a huge commitment to a 30" 5.5K panel for both the new iMac and also their rumored monitor. Keep in mind this 27" iMac panel update will probably be around for 10 years in their lineup.
Who said it was for consumers? It still exists because it is still relevant, and hasn't been replaced yet.
Yeah ok. None of this is true at all.
This leaker knows what they're talking about, and is unlike others in their accuracy.
You are 100% wrong about the panel cost difference.
As I suspected, your only reasoning here is "30" sounds like it would be cheaper, which is what you want it to be, so you pretend this is most likely, and disregard all other info.
That's hilarious coming from someone who still thinks Apple is planing to release a larger consumer iMac at a price similar to the current 27" iMac.
I have a late 2015 27" 5K with 2tb Fusion and 32gb RAM - If I wanted a 24" I'd buy an 24" HP AIO with i3 and 512gb for $549... wait I'm not insane. I bought that dog for my mother in law. I'm waiting for the 32" and if it costs an arm and a leg - I am going to save $$ to get the one I want. Besides, I love the big screen. 24" is a good deal smaller. I just wish I could do something with the screen on my 27" when I get the new one - Maybe just an amazing media machine in the kitchen.I'm on a 2017 27" iMac 5k with upgraded RAM and a repaired fusion drive (which "split" trying to install Catalina) and the machine still feels new to me!So even if a 27 - 30 inch version does appear, I'll be sticking with this one. It also looks nicer than the new ones (in my opinion).
Plus my wife won't let me have one for at least another year or two! 🤣
Funky after 3 years?I'm in a similar boat -- 27in 5K iMac from 2017 -- 64GB, Quad Code i7. I'm at the 3 year point in its life were all my iMacs have started to act a little funky. I think they receive a signal from the MotherShip that new models are out
I'm bought an M1 MacBook Air (for traveling -- remember that
My main machine is a 2015 mbp
My wife's main machine is a 2008 mbp
Both work great.
What do you experience in terms of funkiness?
You mean the very thing that Apple has done for 18 consecutive years now? Yes, I think Apple will continue doing that.
Which leaker are you referring to?
I'm not disregarding any info mate. You are literally on an Apple forum making declarations about things you have absolutely no certainty about but instead act as if you do. Maybe take a moment to realize how absurd that truly is instead of proclaiming nonsense to us all about how a 24" iMac is sufficient for consumers wanting a larger iMac and how you know with complete certainty that the larger iMac will be an expensive pro model. You don't know jack mate. So stop acting like you have any deeper insight more than the rest of us.