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Liquorpuki

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You're the one in this thread saying that if white box units are pull apart Android market share will go down and other OS will go up.

Why they have to be put off if they are tablets like th others?

Because I was responding to the other guy who was wondering about traffic discrepancies. As much as SICKB0Y is convinced it's because of agent strings, having 10-20% of your user base be so poor they can't afford a branded tablet (and by extension connectivity) makes a huge difference
 

Jibbajabba

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I'm just curious to know where all these Android tablets are? I just got back from another trip to Asia and passed through Heathrow. All I saw were iPads. In fact, in the lounge in Heathrow, literally everyone had either an iPhone, iPad, or Macbook. On the streets, malls, hotels, etc in Asia all the tablets were iPads.

We got three ANdroid ones, all in either bags or next to the sofa :p
 

SlCKB0Y

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having 10-20% of your user base be so poor they can't afford a branded tablet (and by extension connectivity) makes a huge difference

Haha. Firstly, the most recent stats you have for Android white-box tablets was last quarter and at 8-9% (not sure how it is now 10-20%).

I don't doubt for a second that a greater proportion of iOS users have connectivity (especially mobile data). I just don't think the difference is that great as I think the stats are being skewed for reasons I've already mentioned. Also, depending on whether this is based on unique visits or page hits will play a part. It is it based on unique visits to a network of sites and I have a 3/4G device, I'm essentially being counted twice if I use both WiFi and mobile data due to the IP changes.

I'm also not sure why these white-box tablet sales are immediately dismissed or minimised based on connectivity. If I sit at home and watch movies, listen to music and read books on my tablet, who are you or anyone else to tell me that this is a less legitimate use of a device than someone who sits on facebook all day?

I might be willing to concede this point if you were able to demonstrate that these white-box tablets were not being shipped with Google Apps/Google play as then they wouldn't be contributing to the ecosystem.
 
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Liquorpuki

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Haha. Firstly, the most recent stats you have for Android white-box tablets was last quarter and at 8-9% (not sure how it is now 10-20%).

I meant 10-20% of the Android userbase, not the entire market. If Android = 67% of the market, and whitebox tablets = 10%, what I mean is 10/67

I don't doubt for a second that a greater proportion of iOS users have connectivity (especially mobile data). I just don't think the difference is that great as I think the stats are being skewed for reasons I've already mentioned. Also, depending on whether this is based on unique visits or page hits will play a part. It is it based on unique visits to a network of sites and I have a 3/4G device, I'm essentially being counted twice if I use both WiFi and mobile data due to the IP changes.

I'm sure reporting makes a difference but a key differentiator between Android and other mobile OS's is that Android owns the budget submarket. Within that submarket, the bottom consists of non-branded whitebox tablets, which can retail wholesale for as low as $1. That carries over to a customer profile that can't afford things like internet access in their home. Which is one reason why both profit and web traffic do not scale with Android marketshare the same way they do with iOS.

I'm also not sure why these white-box tablet sales are immediately dismissed or minimised based on connectivity. If I sit at home and watch movies, listen to music and read books on my tablet, who are you or anyone else to tell me that this is a less legitimate use of a device than someone who sits on facebook all day?

Nobody's judging people for what they do with their tablet. It's just making a distinction that you got a bunch of OEM's in BRIC countries who fork Android (because it's free), stick it on a non-branded piece of equipment, and sell it to the budget space. For comparison's sake it's an important distinction because in most cases, Google's profit stream is cut off.

I might be willing to concede this point if you were able to demonstrate that these white-box tablets were not being shipped with Google Apps/Google play as then they wouldn't be contributing to the ecosystem.

Most of these tablets run forked Android so by OHA rules they're denied access to Google Play. And the bulk of them are sold in China. That country doesn't have Play Store access.
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I'm just curious to know where all these Android tablets are? I just got back from another trip to Asia and passed through Heathrow. All I saw were iPads. In fact, in the lounge in Heathrow, literally everyone had either an iPhone, iPad, or Macbook. On the streets, malls, hotels, etc in Asia all the tablets were iPads.

So when you were in Heathrow and everyone was "literally" using an iPhone, iPad or MacBook I guessing you also assumed there are more MacBooks then PC's?

What you experience isn't a very good statistic especially if there is a partial bias. I notice people that drive Audi's more then I notice other cars because I drive an Audi not because there are more.
 

otismotive77

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put it like this, its iPad (one company) vs android (dozens of companies which offer many different options) it's almost impossible for iPad to beat all those companies.
 

Michael Goff

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Am I the only one whose first thought was "what do you know, Windows tablets do have a market share"?
 

bbfc

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We got three ANdroid ones, all in either bags or next to the sofa :p

My dad bought an Android tablet (he always wanted an iPad but couldn't justify the cost) because it was cheap and came with a whole load of accessories. He used it for about a few months and now it sits in a draw somewhere. He hates how frustratingly slow it is and how it constantly freezes. My sister has an Android tablet from a different manufacturer and its the same - it's actually been sent back a number of times due to hardware failure.

My dad is now getting an iPad Mini.

When you flood the market with cheap tablets, people will buy them.
 

Jibbajabba

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My dad bought an Android tablet (he always wanted an iPad but couldn't justify the cost) because it was cheap and came with a whole load of accessories. He used it for about a few months and now it sits in a draw somewhere. He hates how frustratingly slow it is and how it constantly freezes. My sister has an Android tablet from a different manufacturer and its the same - it's actually been sent back a number of times due to hardware failure.

My dad is now getting an iPad Mini.

When you flood the market with cheap tablets, people will buy them.

I was just making the point that just because the public doesn't see our Android Tablets, it doesn't mean we aren't using them. In fact, since we got the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 - the laptops collecting dust ...
 

bbfc

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I was just making the point that just because the public doesn't see our Android Tablets, it doesn't mean we aren't using them. In fact, since we got the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 - the laptops collecting dust ...

I can imagine those two tablets actually work quite well, what I was eluding to was that there are MANY cheap (and I mean cheap) Android tablets that are absolutely terrible, but people buy them, use them for a while and then they gather dust (as in my dads case), because they are awful to use.
 
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Jibbajabba

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I can imagine those two tablets actually work quite well, what I was eluding to was that there are MANY cheap (and I mean cheap) Android tablets that are absolutely terrible, but people buy them, use them for a while and then they gather dust (as in my dads case), because they are awful to use.

Could be worse, could be an iPad 2 collecting dust .. oh wait .. mine does :p

ALthough I sometimes use it as streamer for shows I bought on iPad and stream it to the TV, but that is all I am using it for really.
 

ucfgrad93

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It's hilarious that you point that out because I've gone months without seeing android tablets in the wild.

Just got back from the Grand Canyon. While we were there some lady asked my wife to take her picture with her Samsung tablet. It is just wrong to use a 10" tablet as a camera.
 

Sensamic

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Could it be that general customers finally understand the need in a tablet for a main central accessible file system and manager like Android and Windows RT/8 have?

The iPad without an accessible file system is less useful since you have to do many workarounds and other things are just plain impossible.

I bet the general public bought an iPad first and after using it for a year or two decided to change and buy something else that is more feature rich and computer or laptop alike: Android and Windows tablets.
 

Michael Goff

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Could it be that general customers finally understand the need in a tablet for a main central accessible file system and manager like Android and Windows RT/8 have?

The iPad without an accessible file system is less useful since you have to do many workarounds and other things are just plain impossible.

I bet the general public bought an iPad first and after using it for a year or two decided to change and buy something else that is more feature rich and computer or laptop alike: Android and Windows tablets.

We can't be sure until companies like Samsung start telling us devices sold instead of shipped. Then again, Samsung is telling us sales to their customers (hint: you're not their customer)
 

kaielement

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I work in retail an sell phones MP3 players and tablets and as much as we sell android tablets when I walk into someplace like Starbucks I only see iPads a bit weird right?
 

SlCKB0Y

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Feb 25, 2012
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I work in retail an sell phones MP3 players and tablets and as much as we sell android tablets when I walk into someplace like Starbucks I only see iPads a bit weird right?

Maybe it's just that ipad owners are latte drinking hipsters who need to be publicly seen with their iStatusSymbol in order to feel good?
 
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