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3G in other countries?

To everyone torn between purchasing a 3G iPad that does not live in the US, it is very simple. The iPad is a data only device. Not a phone so as long as the local country supports 3G data services, you can use the iPad. It has nothing to do with it being unlocked or operator dependent. For those that need info on the Micro-Sim follow this link:

http://www.microsimadapter.com/Site/Welcome.html

You can make your own. Get some cuttle scissors that cut very fine, take your time and cut the card to specifications. It will work as the micro-sim is electronically the same as a regular sim card.

Hope this helps.
 
sapporobaby said:
To everyone torn between purchasing a 3G iPad that does not live in the US, it is very simple. The iPad is a data only device. Not a phone so as long as the local country supports 3G data services, you can use the iPad. It has nothing to do with it being unlocked or operator dependent. For those that need info on the Micro-Sim follow this link:

http://www.microsimadapter.com/Site/Welcome.html

You can make your own. Get some cuttle scissors that cut very fine, take your time and cut the card to specifications. It will work as the micro-sim is electronically the same as a regular sim card.

Hope this helps.
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You gave SOME good information, but then you went and give HORRIBLY INCORRECT information!

While, yes, if you cut a microsim it will fit...the only way it will work is if it runs on the 2100 baseband.

I don't want someone to go and try to cut their T-Mobile sims and ruin it.
 
Soulcrux said:
You gave SOME good information, but then you went and give HORRIBLY INCORRECT information!

While, yes, if you cut a microsim it will fit...the only way it will work is if it runs on the 2100 baseband.

I don't want someone to go and try to cut their T-Mobile sims and ruin it.
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Did you see the "as long as the local country supports 3G data services" part of my post as well as Post#7 in this same thread?

Go back and read them. I'll wait for your apology.

By the way if you put in a T_Mobile Micros-Sim, you will not get a 3G connect, but the data connection will default back to EDGE. Did you know that?
 
sapporobaby said:
Did you see the "as long as the local country supports 3G data services" part of my post as well as Post#7 in this same thread?

Go back and read them. I'll wait for your apology.

By the way if you put in a T_Mobile Micros-Sim, you will not get a 3G connect, but the data connection will default back to EDGE. Did you know that?
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There's a difference between 3G data service, and 2100 baseband 3G. Look it up, noob.
Jesus.
 
sapporobaby said:
You are partially correct but mostly wrong.

Wi-Fi + 3G model
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

Do you see the part about 2100Mhz? This is the 3G band that the iPad will connect on. This is an INTERNATIONAL standard. Using in France, Finland, Germany, Spain, etc.... You get the point. You can put ANY micro-sim card in the iPad and use it according to your local data plan. If you are in Germany, you get a German micro-sim, put it in, turn it on and away you go. If you leave Germany and go to Spain, you can purchase a pay as you go Spanish micro-sim and use data there.
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Sapproorojoababhsbdshabbaby, since you mentioned post #7...

It only works with 2100 MHz 3G. While it is an international standard, that does not mean it will work with ANY 3G, as you said in your post.

For example, as I said, T-Mobile's 3G is not 2100MHz. Neither are AT&T's current iPhone SIMs, which is why we wont be able to just cut it up and pop it in our iPads
 
Soulcrux said:
There's a difference between 3G data service, and 2100 baseband 3G. Look it up, noob.
Jesus.
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Beep, beep, beep.... The sound of backing up is all I hear now.

Please oh enlightened one explain the difference because you can't have one without the other. You made the claim that I was wrong now I cordially invite you to prove it. This is a public forum so everyone will see your proof.

Noob. Hardly. Apparently I can read, and I have shown that I know exactly what I am talking about. What have you shown? This is your big chance to take the spotlight.
 
Soulcrux said:
Sapproorojoababhsbdshabbaby, since you mentioned post #7...

It only works with 2100 MHz 3G. While it is an international standard, that does not mean it will work with ANY 3G, as you said in your post.

For example, as I said, T-Mobile's 3G is not 2100MHz. Neither are AT&T's current iPhone SIMs, which is why we wont be able to just cut it up and pop it in our iPads
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Soldcrap, or soldcrotch, whatever......

Wrong again. I use AT&T sim cards in my Nokia phones all the time when I am in the US. Anyway, I digress. I use my AT&T card in my Nokia E72 and it connects over 3G. How is that possible? Could it be that AT&T is using the International 3G standard? Survey says: YES !!!!!!! Sooooo according to AT&T, and Apple (see post number 7 again) the iPad is compatible with ALL 3G networks running 2100 Mhz. Soooo that would mean anyone traveling outside of the US can either purchase a Micro-Sim in the country of their choosing or they can decide to roam with AT&T. The object of this thread is in regards to using the iPad outside of the US. Did you miss that part? As you are not burdened with knowledge of the situation at hand, I took the liberty to further educate you:

http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html

This should be easy enough even for you to understand.

Either way, I was correct, and you were wrong. Get over it.
 
sapporobaby said:
Beep, beep, beep.... The sound of backing up is all I hear now.

Please oh enlightened one explain the difference because you can't have one without the other. You made the claim that I was wrong now I cordially invite you to prove it. This is a public forum so everyone will see your proof.

Noob. Hardly. Apparently I can read, and I have shown that I know exactly what I am talking about. What have you shown? This is your big chance to take the spotlight.
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Glady.

You CAN have 3G without 2100 MHz. In fact, AT&T's current SIMs operate on 1900MHz.

2100MHz relates to at what frequency the data is relayed at. While the speeds/quality of the network might be the same, not all antennas can pick up all frequencies. A good metaphor would be like radio stations. When a station uses a certain channel, only they can broadcast to that channel. The only difference here is, not only is the broadcast exclusive to a certain carrier, but only certain SIMs can access specific frequenceis.

As I said again, T-Mobile's 3G is not broadcasted in 2100 MHz, it's broadcasted in 1700MHz, so it would not be accessible using the iPad. Yes, you can access EDGE. But why would you want to use EDGE on your iPad?

Not so fast — there’s still the frequency problem. The iPad’s 3G frequencies are different than those used on T-Mobile’s network, so anyone using a T-Mobile SIM would be limited to the carrier’s slower 2G network. That would make your shiny, new iPad about as fast as a first-generation iPhone.

Still, a few people might take T-Mobile up on that possible offer, if only to poke AT&T in the eye. (T-Mobile did not give us an official response in time for this story.)

“The iPad, from what we know, operates in frequencies where T-Mobile does not have a 3G play, and therefore, if you had a micro SIM card [from T-Mobile], you would have to accept the fact that it would run at a somewhat less than optimal speed [than] for which it was designed,” said CTIA vice president of public affairs John Walls.



Read More http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/ipad-mini-sim/#ixzz0liRNmguT
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As you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Americas

Most International cellular networks run on 2100MHz band, but not all. In fact, 2100MHz is only used by T-Mobile for it's EDGE network as of now, and will be used by AT&T for it's MicroSIMs.

So, yes, I am right. There is a clear distinction between
sapporobaby said:
3G data services
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and 2100MHz.

You are wrong, they do not come so generally hand in hand.
 
sapporobaby said:
Soldcrap, or soldcrotch, whatever......

Wrong again. I use AT&T sim cards in my Nokia phones all the time when I am in the US. Anyway, I digress. I use my AT&T card in my Nokia E72 and it connects over 3G. How is that possible? Could it be that AT&T is using the International 3G standard? Survey says: YES !!!!!!! Sooooo according to AT&T, and Apple (see post number 7 again) the iPad is compatible with ALL 3G networks running 2100 Mhz. Soooo that would mean anyone traveling outside of the US can either purchase a Micro-Sim in the country of their choosing or they can decide to roam with AT&T. The object of this thread is in regards to using the iPad outside of the US. Did you miss that part? As you are not burdened with knowledge of the situation at hand, I took the liberty to further educate you:

http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html



This should be easy enough even for you to understand.

Either way, I was correct, and you were wrong. Get over it.
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You changed your statement. Originally you said "as long as your coutnry supports 3G data service" which is VERY different from "3G networks running 2100 MHz"

Also, not every network in the world runs on 2100MHz. According to that website, many Inernational networks run their 3G on 1900 or 850. Mainly in the Americas (Psst-Americas doesn't mean JUST The United States of America). As far as I know,If I travel to Chile, Honduras, Mexico, etc, I;m traveling internationally.

Just concede
 
Soulcrux said:
You changed your statement. Originally you said "as long as your coutnry supports 3G data service" which is VERY different from "3G networks running 2100 MHz"

Also, not every network in the world runs on 2100MHz. According to that website, many Inernational networks run their 3G on 1900 or 850. Mainly in the Americas (Psst-Americas doesn't mean JUST The United States of America). As far as I know,If I travel to Chile, Honduras, Mexico, etc, I;m traveling internationally.

Just concede
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Direct quote from Apple's site again. I hope I am not going too fast.

****************************************
Wi-Fi + 3G model
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Data only2
****************************************

This means that the iPad will work on ALL networks that support these frequencies. Period. Be it an AT&T card, or T-Mobile card, or TIM, or Elisa, etc..... Period.

In my post I quoted these exact specifications from Apple as this is what was asked by the OP. Sooooooo, anyone can simply get a normal sim card, cut down to a micro-sim card size, install it into their iPad and it will work. SIm cards, and Micro-sim cards are electronically the same. Period.

So prove that I am incorrect in: a) using Apple's own website specifications, b) stating that a user traveling abroad cannot use a locally purchased sim card (made to fit) and installed in an iPad.

My answers are in line with what was asked in this thread and I am correct.

To date, you have danced, obfuscated, bloviated and still said nothing.
 
sapporobaby said:
Direct quote from Apple's site again. I hope I am not going too fast.

****************************************
Wi-Fi + 3G model
UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Data only2
****************************************

This means that the iPad will work on ALL networks that support these frequencies. Period. Be it an AT&T card, or T-Mobile card, or TIM, or Elisa, etc..... Period.

In my post I quoted these exact specifications from Apple as this is what was asked by the OP. Sooooooo, anyone can simply get a normal sim card, cut down to a micro-sim card size, install it into their iPad and it will work. SIm cards, and Micro-sim cards are electronically the same. Period.

So prove that I am incorrect in: a) using Apple's own website specifications, b) stating that a user traveling abroad cannot use a locally purchased sim card (made to fit) and installed in an iPad.

My answers are in line with what was asked in this thread and I am correct.

To date, you have danced, obfuscated, bloviated and still said nothing.
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You win, I contest.


I was under the impression that the iPad only allowed 2100MHz, and I was ALSO under the impression that one could not simply cut down a SIM.

GG, man.

I apologize for being so brusque in my denouncement.
 
Soulcrux said:
You win, I contest.


I was under the impression that the iPad only allowed 2100MHz, and I was ALSO under the impression that one could not simply cut down a SIM.

GG, man.

I apologize for being so brusque in my denouncement.
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Ahhhh forgetaboutit. (Said in my best Soprano voice)

I will give you a hint. The Vodafone, Eplus networks that exist in Germany. I was a designer on them for a consultant standpoint.

The only thing that matters is that the 30th is iPad day. So I send you out a a "clink". The sound of two iPads offering a "cheers". How's that?
 
sapporobaby said:
Ahhhh forgetaboutit. (Said in my best Soprano voice)

I will give you a hint. The Vodafone, Eplus networks that exist in Germany. I was a designer on them for a consultant standpoint.

The only thing that matters is that the 30th is iPad day. So I send you out a a "clink". The sound of two iPads offering a "cheers". How's that?
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Ahaha! Expert knowledge! Rats! XD

And yes! Definitely cheers! (If I can survive the next 9 days of anticipation without going mad)
 
hi guys,
your discussion was interesting but why do you think that the Mini-UICC-SIM adapter will only be used in combination with the iPad? The microSim might be the new standard soon. The new iPhone is rumoured to have the UICC-SIM aswell. The adapters can be used for any band - it just replaces the missing plastic to get back the micro-sim to the size of a 2G SIM. The price at www.microsim-shop.com is affordable - even if you loose one or two per year.
 
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