iPad Pro 4K HDR is all the rage when Will Apple catch up ?

[throAU]

netflix 4k , plenty of content. Cable TV doesn't even support 1080p. PS4 Pro game console outputs in 4K. Who wants to watch a blu ray movie at 60FPS when they are filmed at 24 FPS?
[doublepost=1501260279][/doublepost]according to this chart in the article below, 4K looks close to being ideal on 10.5 inch iPad when using device in lap. Granted the ipad isnt 16x9 but it would be close.

http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/

"outputs in 4k"
is different to it being worth it. the consoles are rendering parts of frames and upscaling to barely struggle to 4k30

most streaming media that's 4k is heavily compressed. with loss and artifacting.

much like the camera megapixel race, plenty will slap the 4k badge on content that would look better less compressed at higher frame rate 1080p or whatever.

 

[Act3]

"outputs in 4k"
is different to it being worth it. the consoles are rendering parts of frames and upscaling to barely struggle to 4k30

most streaming media that's 4k is heavily compressed. with loss and artifacting.

much like the camera megapixel race, plenty will slap the 4k badge on content that would look better less compressed at higher frame rate 1080p or whatever.

4k is definitely still early adopter only right now and most people just really don't care. Most of the content they're playing is either 480p DVD or 720/1080p stream. Even the 1080p content most people stream is heavily compressed - having more bandwidth for less lossy compression would help for a start.

Game consoles can't do it, most even struggle with 1080p.

There are native 4k60fps games out there on the PS4 pro. Haven't seen mine struggle yet with anything.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...4k60-ps4-pro-experience-weve-been-waiting-for

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/01/22/list-of-60fps-native-4k-ps4-pro-games/

 

[throAU]

There are native 4k60fps games out there on the PS4 pro. Haven't seen mine struggle yet with anything.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...4k60-ps4-pro-experience-weve-been-waiting-for

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/01/22/list-of-60fps-native-4k-ps4-pro-games/

4k60 native... the PS4 pro uses hacks rendering and upscaling to get there.

It does not do native 4k 60 fps. It doesn't have the rendering power to do it.

 

[Act3]

4k60 native... the PS4 pro uses hacks rendering and upscaling to get there.

It does not do native 4k 60 fps. It doesn't have the rendering power to do it.

You even read the links ? It does. Just accept that your wrong and move on.

Pure, native 4K 60fps titles available as of Jan 2017

• FIFA 17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Hustle Kings (HDR support)
• Mantis Burn Racing (HDR support)
• NBA 2K17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Neon Chrome
• Pro Evolution Soccer 17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Rez Infinite (Area X may be sub-4K)
• Thumper
• Viking Squad
• Wheels of Aurelia

 

[throAU]

You even read the links ? It does. Just accept that your wrong and move on.

Pure, native 4K 60fps titles available as of Jan 2017

• FIFA 17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Hustle Kings (HDR support)
• Mantis Burn Racing (HDR support)
• NBA 2K17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Neon Chrome
• Pro Evolution Soccer 17 (some 30fps camera modes)
• Rez Infinite (Area X may be sub-4K)
• Thumper
• Viking Squad
• Wheels of Aurelia

So even in your list, it doesn't do 60 fps everywhere. And yes i did follow the links, there were no technical details. Of which i have previously read, and am familiar with the GPU in the PS4 Pro.

I think you are confusing "outputs 4k60 sometimes" with "actually renders at 4k, 60 fps without scaling or checkerboard rendering" (i.e., as i said, "native" 4k rendering). Well. Maybe it might with some games that have minimal complexity. But the GPU just simply does not have the horsepower for it for typical games with typical modern levels of detail.

https://venturebeat.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-isnt-4k-that-doesnt-matter/

http://gamingbolt.com/sony-explains-how-checkerboard-rendering-works-on-the-ps4-pro


The PS4 Pro is NOT rendering full 4k detail (it's a hack. a neat hack, but a hack never the less) and certainly not at a reliable 60 FPS. Even with current titles.

So perhaps just admit you're wrong, and move on.

The GPU in it is less powerful than an RX480. The 480 is NOT a native 4k card. I own one.

 

[kasakka]

To put it into perspective, my heavily overclocked 980 Ti can just about handle native 4K @ 30 fps at very high detail settings. Pretty much all new AAA titles on PS4 Pro use either checkerboarding, dynamic resolution or a lower fixed resolution. These are not hacks but alternative methods to handle the lack of GPU grunt and they are a marked improvement over 1080p and some of the games look so gorgeous with checkerboard rendering I don't really care if they are native 4K or not.

It's really a question of diminishing returns when at the current 2k res iPads look very sharp for reading text or watching videos.

 

[JohnnyGo]

I think Apple was right to wait on this. Once they implement 4K movie and tv show rentals, they will release an updated Apple TV for 4K. Right now there just isn't a lot out there in terms on content and the majority of what people watch is not in 4K. Later this year, potentially. Not needed on an iPad though.

High def standards are still in flux. HEVC is just now being phased in by Apple and VP10/AV1 should be finalized by the end of 2017. No HDR standard has emerged as victorious as Dolby Vision requires licensing.

The good old format wars are back with a vengeance. Most likely we all we need to upgrade TV sets, streaming players and other gadgets when everything is settled. 2019/2020 most likely.

Enjoy what you have right now and worry less about future proofing. I would certainly not buy an expensive OLED 80’ display in the next couple of years. Video standards will evolve quickly as well as internals (video processors). Prices for OLED will fall. Even HDMI connection may change (btw it’s still a mess with all the HDCP, 4-4-4 bit, 8 vs 10 bit, 30 vs 60hz).

 

[EugW]

I can already play 4K video on my iPhone. In fact, I can record 4K video too on that same iPhone.

And I can play 4K HDR videos on my MacBook and my iMac right in QuickTime.

4K is already here folks. And it will be even more so come the fall. In fact, I expect a 4K HDR Apple TV to be released within the year.

 

[kasakka]

I can already play 4K video on my iPhone. In fact, I can record 4K video too on that same iPhone.

And I can play 4K HDR videos on my MacBook and my iMac right in QuickTime.

4K is already here folks. And it will be even more so come the fall. In fact, I expect a 4K HDR Apple TV to be released within the year.

The fact you can play them doesn't really mean anything when you can't make use of the extra resolution or HDR for that matter.

 

[EugW]

The fact you can play them doesn't really mean anything when you can't make use of the extra resolution or HDR for that matter.

Doesn't matter. Your argument is the exact same argument people made against 1080p back in the day.

"Why would anyone need 1080p support on a MacBook? It's just a waste! CPU 720p playback is good enough."

We all know how that turned out...

It should be totally obvious the direction Apple is going, considering that the 2015 and 2017 iMac, 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro, 2017 MacBook, 2016 iPhone, and 2017 iPad Pro all already support hardware 4K HEVC playback, and a subset of those also support hardware 4K HEVC HDR playback. Don't be surprised if the 2017 iPhone adds hardware HDR support in addition to the hardware 4K HEVC support the iPhone already has.

 

[browser740]

I can already play 4K video on my iPhone. In fact, I can record 4K video too on that same iPhone.

And I can play 4K HDR videos on my MacBook and my iMac right in QuickTime.

4K is already here folks. And it will be even more so come the fall. In fact, I expect a 4K HDR Apple TV to be released within the year.

Get ready for A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT when apple gives you NADA!!! Like you haven't had that already!!!
[doublepost=1501526122][/doublepost]First I get WHY the iPad will NEVER be 4K... TOO much power to devote for a feature that a device is not really not meant for 4K... But the slap in the face is that the IPAD mini 4 has a PPI of 326... while the PRO is only 264... How is it that the PRO model is less than the MINI... No matter what you say about what pixels you CAN see...The MINI 4 is better than the PRO... Does not make sense... And the 7plus is 401 PPI.... So why exceed 264 on ANY device... All devices should be 264... And the label Retina-HD... does NOT apply to the PRO model... What kinda pro is that... At least have it come up to 326 PPI...

 

[EugW]

Get ready for A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT when apple gives you NADA!!! Like you haven't had that already!!!
[doublepost=1501526122][/doublepost]First I get WHY the iPad will NEVER be 4K... TOO much power to devote for a feature that a device is not really not meant for 4K... But the slap in the face is that the IPAD mini 4 has a PPI of 326... while the PRO is only 264... How is it that the PRO model is less than the MINI... No matter what you say about what pixels you CAN see...The MINI 4 is better than the PRO... Does not make sense... And the 7plus is 401 PPI.... So why exceed 264 on ANY device... All devices should be 264... And the label Retina-HD... does NOT apply to the PRO model... What kinda pro is that... At least have it come up to 326 PPI...

The iPad Pro won't go 4K any time soon in terms of pixel resolution. However, it already is capable of 4K HEVC playback in iOS 11, OS-wide. And that's what's most important.

4K is here, and Apple is going full bore into 4K as of this fall. Hell, Apple already has descriptions for movies on iTunes mentioning 4K HDR.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/07/28/apple-listing-select-itunes-movies-as-4k-hdr/

"In a discussion topic on the MacRumors forums, Jackson shared a screenshot of his iTunes purchase history with the 2016 film Passengers listed as "Movie (4K, HDR)" under the Type column. However, he said iTunes only let him download the movie in HD quality, which is either 720p or 1080p depending on the content."

"Another reader mentioned that the 2016 film Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is also listed as 4K and HDR. MacRumors rented the film to check, and we can confirm the film indeed has "4K, HDR" next to it in our iTunes purchase history. Nevertheless, iTunes lists the movie's video quality as 720p."

Either Apple will activate 4K support in the existing Apple TV, which seems unlikely, or else Apple will release a new Apple TV in the next few months with 4K HDR support, which seems extremely likely.

In addition, Apple's QuickTime implementation of 4K HDR playback is wonderful. When I've played 4K HEVC 10-bit HDR videos (from Sony etc.) on my 8-bit non-HDR MacBook, It looks perfect. Very impressive.

BTW, for example, for a 76 Mbps 4K 10-bit HDR HEVC playback in QuickTime High Sierra, my iMac uses only 7% CPU or so. My MacBook uses about 25% CPU, which is still pretty decent, given that I can still multitask fine on that MacBook when playing back such a video.
[doublepost=1501529757][/doublepost]BTW, here are the release dates of Apple TV:

2007-01
2010-09
2012-03 (and updated 2013-01)
2015-10

So, a new Apple TV every 2-3 years. We are right on target for a new Apple TV relatively soon.

 

[ectospheno]

No 4k HDR tv I'd want to own costs anywhere near $999. They are all much more.

 

[EugW]

No 4k HDR tv I'd want to own costs anywhere near $999. They are all much more.

You can get a WCG 4K iMac with free Beats Wireless Solo3 headphones for $1049. Not true HDR, but it will play back HDR in better-than-SDR, and a full computer too.

Furthermore, TVs with 4K HDR are commonplace in the sub-$1000 category. Whether or not you want one personally is a different question, but they are quite popular. And they are even more common in the sub-$1500 category.

While I would prefer a high end 1080p HDR TV over a low end 4K HDR TV, high end 1080p HDR TVs essentially don't exist, and high end 1080p SDR TVs are quickly becoming rare.

 

[Cashmonee]

No 4k HDR tv I'd want to own costs anywhere near $999. They are all much more.

You can get a 55" LG OLED that has 4K and every HDR standard for under 2K. It is probably about the best TV available right now. The prices are falling and the content is increasing rapidly.