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That's only in the US though, it wouldn't apply for global warranty. So feasibly something could be serviced in the US but not in Europe?

I do know that Canada does also have laws that prevent these "tied selling" provisions

I don't know EU laws.

EU most likely have similar consumer protection laws.
 
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A way to help comprehend warranty laws is to think of cars. If you buy a car then souped up the motor and the driver side window motor broke....that's warranty...adding exhaust or whatever is unrelated.

If however the motor blew up, you might be SOL.

Certain things can lead to other things so be weary. If you souped up the motor and your transmission blows up there is a valid argument from the car manufacturer the transmission wasn't rated for that increase in power thus you broke it.
 
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If you buy a car then souped up the motor and the driver side window motor broke.
True but unlike a car, a lot of the components on the computer are on the logic board, so you break something on the logic board, most of your warranty is out the door.
 
A way to help comprehend warranty laws is to think of cars. If you buy a car then souped up the motor and the driver side window motor broke....that's warranty...adding exhaust or whatever is unrelated.

If however the motor blew up, you might be SOL.

Certain things can lead to other things so be weary. If you souped up the motor and your transmission blows up there is a valid argument from the car manufacturer the transmission wasn't rated for that increase in power thus you broke it.

Well, if I replaced the power supply in an iMac with an aftermarket and the logic board failed, Apple may have a case that my aftermarket power supply isn't up to specification and might have caused the logic board to failed.

If instead, I replaced the hard drive with a solid state drive and the logic board failed, it would be difficult to argue that that somehow caused the logic board to fail.
 
Well, if I replaced the power supply in an iMac with an aftermarket and the logic board failed, Apple may have a case that my aftermarket power supply isn't up to specification and might have caused the logic board to failed.

If instead, I replaced the hard drive with a solid state drive and the logic board failed, it would be difficult to argue that that somehow caused the logic board to fail.

I agree with both of those.

I feel the manufacturer has a lot of control over the outcome....maybe rightfully so. As long as everyone stays honest there isn't a problem.

I've had a Mac destroying USB Hub that Apple still warrantied the iMac logic board. I've had them replace an AppleTV out of warranty for free. So at this point if they decline a warranty stating that my logic board failed because of a SSD I installed (with an explanation why) I wouldn't fault them on that and throw a fit. They've been pretty good to me up until this point.
 
Not sure the laws in the UK but in the US it is illegal for them to refuse warranty work even if you opened it as long as you did not break it yourself and it was a manufacturers defect. They just put the stickers there to scare you.

from your link, the best line was:

Of course, without government intervention, much of this is theoretical. Manufacturers can get away with their warranty policies because no one ever challenges them on it—it’s much easier to buy a new phone than spend months in court over a couple hundred bucks.

You can open your iMac and Apple can refuse to fix it. Regardless of if it is legal, you are up against the giant and telling them you were protected by 1975 Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act really doesn't mean anything unless you are willing to haul them into court and fight them on it.
 
OP posted once, and then disappeared.

The incessant noise being generated here scared him off!
 
from your link, the best line was:

Of course, without government intervention, much of this is theoretical. Manufacturers can get away with their warranty policies because no one ever challenges them on it—it’s much easier to buy a new phone than spend months in court over a couple hundred bucks.

You can open your iMac and Apple can refuse to fix it. Regardless of if it is legal, you are up against the giant and telling them you were protected by 1975 Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act really doesn't mean anything unless you are willing to haul them into court and fight them on it.

Here's the fear mongering part that applies to you:

But stickers and these agreements create the illusion that electronics are mysterious black boxes that shouldn't be opened by anyone who isn't authorized to by the manufacturer.

[...]


The evidence suggests that these stickers and agreements have the desired effect of making consumers afraid to open their electronics. There are dozens of frantic forum posts and Yahoo Answers questions from people who opened their devices and are worried they voided their warranties. There are people who sell replacement warranty stickers, and tutorials about complex methods of removing them without breaking them. A YouTube video about building a specialized knife to remove these stickers has more than 100,000 views.
 
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It -can- be done, but the "blade drive" itself is all-but unobtainable

Is it different to the model used in Mac Pros and MacBook Pro's then? If not, there's plenty on eBay. I just bought an SSUBX 1TB model. I have an iMac 5K with a 256GB SSD but as it's work machine, didn't want to crack it open to fit the 1TB. I bought a Sonnet TB to PCI-E enclosure and used a PCI-E adapter card to mount the blade. Works great but is limited to 1.3 GB/s. The SSUBX can do a fair bit more but that's more than fast enough for me.
 
I'm certainly not as qualified as some on here, but I do enjoy a good computer take down. I recently replaced the power button on my iPhone and I have to say it was stressful even for me. It took too long and was not worth my time, I would rather have purchased a new phone from eBay. That said if the new iMac is the same I'd rather spend $600. And I'm a college student working in construction. Just my opinion, if u enjoy a meticulous challenge go for it, Ifixit guides are amazing
 
OP:

Lots of gobbledygook in this thread, but the simple answer is:

NO.
It's not "upgradeable" in a practical sense of the word.

It -can- be done, but the "blade drive" itself is all-but unobtainable, and the installation process is quite difficult even for someone skilled in such things.

It turns out that somebody already made an adapter and you can put in an M.2 PCIe SSD [AHCI] such as the Samsung SM951 AHCI into that slot if you really want a PCIe SSD.

Is it different to the model used in Mac Pros and MacBook Pro's then? If not, there's plenty on eBay. I just bought an SSUBX 1TB model. I have an iMac 5K with a 256GB SSD but as it's work machine, didn't want to crack it open to fit the 1TB. I bought a Sonnet TB to PCI-E enclosure and used a PCI-E adapter card to mount the blade. Works great but is limited to 1.3 GB/s. The SSUBX can do a fair bit more but that's more than fast enough for me.

The SSDs are the same ones used in the MacBook Pro Late 2013 and later.

You can also use an adapter to plug in an M.2 PCIe SSD [AHCI].

That said, why bother? 2.5" SSDs are much cheaper and much easier to find.

I'm certainly not as qualified as some on here, but I do enjoy a good computer take down. I recently replaced the power button on my iPhone and I have to say it was stressful even for me. It took too long and was not worth my time, I would rather have purchased a new phone from eBay. That said if the new iMac is the same I'd rather spend $600. And I'm a college student working in construction. Just my opinion, if u enjoy a meticulous challenge go for it, Ifixit guides are amazing

Well, I have repaired iPhones and I can tell you Macs are 10x easier to repair/upgrade.

I would rather repair/upgrade a Mac than an iPhone any day of the week.

If you can repair an iPhone, repairing/upgrading a Mac should be a walk in the park.

(fellow college student)
 
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Wow really! That's great to know thanks! I'll definitely consider self upgrading then. Would u mind if I bug you about an iPhone repair in a pm? It's a muting issue, always something going wrong with those tiny little buttons
 
Wow really! That's great to know thanks! I'll definitely consider self upgrading then. Would u mind if I bug you about an iPhone repair in a pm? It's a muting issue, always something going wrong with those tiny little buttons

You may, but I just want to let you know that I am far more experienced in repairing Macs than in iPhones.
 
Speed mainly. PCI-E SSDs are way faster than anything SATA based right now. The 1TB SSUBX (effectively an SM951 with Apple firmware) I have can read/write up to 2GB/s. No SATA SSD can get even close to that.

Oh okay, but what do you do with all that speed?

Suppose that you bought a Samsung SM951 with an adapter and put it in your iMac, then what tasks do perform that the Samsung SM951 would made a difference?
 
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Speed mainly. PCI-E SSDs are way faster than anything SATA based right now. The 1TB SSUBX (effectively an SM951 with Apple firmware) I have can read/write up to 2GB/s. No SATA SSD can get even close to that.


Sorry I'm a total noob here, when u say sata based ssd are you referring to iMac fusion drive? I'm looking at a new Mac and can't decide between fusion or pure ssd
 
SATA is just the standard interface that hard drives (inc. SSDs) have used for years now to connect to PCs. The max speed is maxed out at about 600mb/s or something like that due to the limitations of the SATA connection.

Apple have been using a different connector for years now on some of their PCs which allows solid state storage to use a different connection to the system and therefore take full advantage of solid state storage. More recently there have been standards established by other manufacturers to do the same thing in a standardised way with connections like m.2 which go into the PCIe slot which has a much higher bandwidth than SATA.

The fusion drive is part super fast (non SATA) solid state storage and the majority of the storage is just a mechanical HD plugged into a SATA connection in the iMac.

Most people wouldn't notice a huge difference between a SATA SSD and a blade type SSD and SATA SSDs are quick as it is. Plenty of people complain about the fusion drive for various reasons. I think the general wisdom is to get the best SSD based storage you can afford. You can always buy external storage.
 
Ok thanks! I'll definitely go with the ssd then. Not thrilled with fusion managing my files for me.
 
What tool do you recommend for splitting the screen off the case? ifixit's pizza cutter seems to be a good tool.

Thanks.

iFixit pizza cutter is really good. Plastic and goes to the right depth without risking other bits and bobs.
 
OP:

Lots of gobbledygook in this thread, but the simple answer is:

NO.
It's not "upgradeable" in a practical sense of the word.

It -can- be done, but the "blade drive" itself is all-but unobtainable, and the installation process is quite difficult even for someone skilled in such things.

If you find yourself running out of storage space, easiest way to "boost" the space up is to buy an external USB3 SSD, and just plug it into the back.


Go with the answers of keysofanxiety, maflynn, and Fishrrman.

1. Unless you're a techie, and even if you are, it's tedious and difficult to upgrade. Buy whatever SSD drive size you can right now, and then just add an external drive later (I have several external drives with my mac that I've placed velcro on and stuck to the back of my mac... (Inserted humor)I hope the velcro doesn't void my warranty:eek:(End humor).

2. If you can afford AppleCare +, it's probably worth purchasing.

No need to continuing pondering on what to do.


Sorry, I had to edit my response... I accidentally wrote I hope the velcro does void my warranty" Instead of "I hope the warranty doesn't void my warranty" :)
 
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