My point is the phone should never catch up to any laptop pro base model. If the phone ever reaches 12 or 16 ram, the laptop should have at least 24 or more in the base pro model
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You missed my point - they don't need more ram, they just need to properly manage open tabs.
Nah this logic is flawed.
Your post is not a contraposition of his claim.
A => B is not the same as B => A. It means B’ => A’.
A contraposition of his claim is: “Does not work for anyone” means “does not work for me”, which is true.
They sell because of the price not the specs. Nobody is looking at the 8GB ram thinking WOW this is great.
There is the culprit of demand of unlimited growth with finite everything.And others will complain that Apple should just eat the cost increase. And as a Shareholder I say NO to that.
As any apple fan community always like to do: vehemently and fanatically defend Apple as if it’s their kid or something. Justify literally everything Apple does, good or bad. I mean, if their lives are on the line, I wonder if those Apple fans will change the stance somewhat.There's objective proof- and we all know it if we are able to think as consumers (first)- but I suspect by the time this thread closes, the messenger will be killed, skewered, tarred & feathered, etc. I suspect pitchforks and torches are already in fan hands and they will soon be storming the castle.
Hello, how is your Koolaid? These tests show how full of cr*p Apple is for selling a pro machine at 8GB. While upgrading to 16GB costs them like 10 dollars extra (or -10 dollars, given the fact that 2*4GB is hard to come by). At these record low memory and SSD prizes, Apple is just taking a piss on its Mac customers.8GB is not enough for running applications like that. I think we all should know that by now. If you're doing FC, Blender, C4D or Adobe anything, you get as much RAM as you can afford. So no one is really going to buy an 8GB model for that. It's kind of miss-leading to even make a performance comparison using it. Other than to clearly state the obvious. Don't buy lowest end Mac pro for this kind of work. If you're not doing that kind of work. 8GB is fine for most basic tasks. Which is why it is an option. If you're in school, and need/want a Mac Book. This is clearly aimed at that group. Writers, or content consumption. NOT for creation, and heavy multitasking.
Apple stating that 8GB is like Windows with 16. Is factoring in features that exist on the Mac that can alleviate some of the memory limitations. But, it's always better to have real RAM available to the system over SSD swapping.
So another note to self. Don't buy the least powerful Mac and expect it to work miracles.
Know what type of work you're going to be doing with it, and purchase accordingly. All of my Mac's (ALL OF THEM) in the past 10 years have had 32GB or MORE of RAM. They don't need the highest end CPU (iMac Pro is an 8 Core with 32GB of RAM. nMac Pro has 64GB of RAM as it was upgradable). All of my MacBook Pro's have 32GB of ram. Even this M2 Max has 32. My M1 Max Studio has 32GB, and so on. I have not experienced any memory issues or speed issues or any issues (except heat on those intel mac's).
Should Apple sell ONLY 16GB as a base? You can argue that. But, having 8 as an option lowers the price of entry for those that really don't need more. And if it was taken away, others would complain that it's too expensive.
And others will complain that Apple should just eat the cost increase. And as a Shareholder I say NO to that.
1) 8GB is not okay in 2023
2) this is 8GB in a 2000 euro laptop
3) this is 8GB in a “Pro” machine, and unable to do “Pro” workflows (or is 3-4 times slower than a 16GB version for some workflows), despite the M3 being more than capable. Look up 32 vs 16GB comparisons and you will find that the differences are not nearly as bad as this 8GB train wreck.
4) upgrade to 16GB is 230 euros…it costs Apple next to nothing. Pure greed.
5) you cannot upgrade yourself. Bad luck if you find out you like to do some Blender or Lightroom work as a hobby in a years time.
6) with this crap, people will start buying PCs: they see 8GB/512 GB MBP for 2000 Euro or a nice looking Dell Xps 13 16/1TB for 1200 euros. Or, like me, buy refurbished 16/1TB m1pro mbps for less than a handicapped M3 MBP.
And as a shareholder: how is Apple’s penny pitching treating you with this 34% decline in Mac sales?
true, but only because i could upgrade it to 64gb ram & 2tb ssd. Also ever since apple terminated security updates (2020) i use it quite rarely, maybe once every other week.
Because i know how poor it would have performed without those upgrades and how soon apple tends to terminate security updates i have not bought a new mbp. instead of bringing that as byod, i use my employer provided zbook (with linux) for private tasks as well. So over the past three years i‘ve grown quite fond of the linux laptop, really different from the ******** it was in 2005…
No wonder Apple can get away with this kind of crap, and will continue to do so in the future with absolute impunity. I don’t think literally any other company on the planet has this privileged customer base and fanatical support from them. In this regard, I think Apple can be considered the most successful company on earth.
I think Apple are more at the Audi end of that analogy, which makes the problem of short changing customers even more evident.
That makes no sense at all. Imagine telling that to a room full of engineers and product managers. You'd be laughed out of the room. They're selling a product, not a spec sheet.
RAM size is one input to performance, at least as important are storage speed, CPU and cache speeds, and bus speeds, which are totally different between iPhones and Macs (and PCs!) This is why people are getting it SO SO wrong when simply comparing absolute ram amounts across different machines. Read about the unified architecture here: https://www.macobserver.com/analysis/understanding-apples-unified-memory-architecture/
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Last year, I felt so sceptical of the 8 GB on the M2 MBA that I bought M1 MBP 14 with 16 GB instead. Due to inflation price adjustments it was only 500 € more.
Yeah sure, especially as on mac that 8gb also counts as your vram. Like literally every AAA game from 2023 onwards just wont run. Also know that modern browsers/websites use 4gb like nothing…
Also macos runs much better if there‘s plenty of ram available, unlike windows which even with 128gb will behave like it has been lobotomized to 640kb…
All apple chips can address 16GB of RAM reagardless of how many memory channels they have active, so his point stands.
The argument is that 8GB and 16GB are the same price when bought in volume nowadays. There is no requirement to increase price.
Try this to start. There are similar list for wristwatches and purses/handbags
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Bill Gates said 640K is enough for anyone.
My microwave can run on less than 16GB of RAM too and still do all its functions, but is that relevant to bring into a discussion about a microcomputer and the kind of tasks, applications and workflows I might reasonably expect to perform on it. Let's compare Apples to Apples. You might use your phone for all the tasks you also do on a Mac, but most people have very different workflows for both devices.
It was never about cost... but about Apple's profit. Apple never engaged in the commoditization of computing hardware.
Base level chipset isn't as good at doing tasks when hobbled with limited RAM was the takeaway, but good try.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. In every design choice, something is a bottleneck, other than one set of design where the performance across components matches.