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FrozenDarkness

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I think we are still a year away from devs doing that though. The vast majority of ipads are still at <4gb ram
 

rui no onna

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Can’t go by how much RAM is being used. If you had 32GB, i‘m sure most of that would be getting used.

I doubt it. Even on Windows, I have plenty of RAM free with 32GB. At the time, it was $70 and $120 to upgrade to 16GB and 32GB respectively so figured might as well max it out.

On a 4GB RAM iPad, free RAM hovers around 100-300MB and it always seems to constantly compress/decompress and basically move data in memory. Whenever I use the YouTube app, it's pretty much a guarantee that any other app I'm using or any tab I left on Safari will reload. Hasn't been an issue with 16GB RAM so far. It seems to be for my use, 16GB is large enough that I haven't needed "swap" or save state. I get more predictable behavior on the 2021 Pro.

I just setup a download queue on Disney+ to see if having extra RAM resources would help with background downloading. On my 2017 iPP, if I switch out of the app, it pretty much just finishes the ones that have already started downloading but it doesn't start any new downloads.

Mind, free RAM dropped to this when I watched a video on YouTube and opened I think either HBO Max or Disney+.
 

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rui no onna

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For sure there are purchasers like that and configuring with only 1 or 2 TB makes it even more expensive. Somewhat makes sense that a high ram user would probably need high storage too. Purchasing now and having to wait until September to fully use the performance sticks too.

Frankly, I wouldn't spend $600-700 just to get 16GB RAM. The 1TB storage is what I wanted. The RAM's a very nice bonus (albeit one that cost $200 more versus 2020 Pros).

The 2018 1TB LTE was already $1900 and the jump to 1TB from 512GB also cost $400 back then. At least this time, you're getting more bang for the buck.
 

FrozenDarkness

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Frankly, I wouldn't spend $600-700 just to get 16GB RAM. The 1TB storage is what I wanted. The RAM's a very nice bonus (albeit one that cost $200 more versus 2020 Pros).

The 2018 1TB LTE was already $1900 and the jump to 1TB from 512GB also cost $400 back then. At least this time, you're getting more bang for the buck.
didn’t the jump to 1TB back then also get you more ram? Albeit if memory serves just 3 -> 6GB
 

slplss

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Again this shows how little you know about the competition. Samsung new policy is 3 years of upgrades plus a 4th year of security, and videos work even after that... So no, people are not buying new ones every 2 years, on my Samsung I even got a 5 year warranty extention, and the oversaturated colors is you subjective opinion and it's completely possible to change the white balance, remove the saturation and even recalibrate the display for those that don't like it (many people love the vivid colors as they are)
I’m still stuck on Android 10 on my Galaxy Tab S5e, nine months after Android 11 was released. The update is rolling slowly for the past two months, not for me, yet. Looks like it won’t even get it’s 3rd major update with Android 12, even when their inferior S6 lite will.
Luckily, this doesn’t bother me anymore. Even the 1st gen 9 and 12.9 inch iPad Pros from 2015 will get iPadOS 15, day one. I think we can expect M1 iPad will get updates past 6 years.
 
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rui no onna

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Luckily, this doesn’t bother me anymore. Even the 1st gen 9 and 12.9 inch iPad Pros from 2015 will get iPadOS 15, day one. I think we can expect M1 iPad will get updates past 6 years.

Remains to be seen whether Pro 9.7 will get it. Unless RAM use gets heavier again, I think it can handle it.

With that said, I think 6-7 years is feasible and performance will be better than the Air 2 for the last 2-3 years.
 

FriendlyMackle

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the price difference between 8GB and 16GB ram is quite high ($700-$800). Don't think the performance differences seem worth it tbh.
I think it’s more like $400 difference between the 512GB and 1TB models. Which is a lot for the additional 512GB storage and extra 8GB RAM. Though, I suppose if you break down the cost, one could consider the 512GB to cost $200, and the RAM to cost another $200.

My question, for myself, is whether it will be worth it to get the extra storage and RAM. I do tend to keep my iPads for at least 4 years. My current 12.9 iPad Pro is 5 years old. Though I bought it 4 years ago (barely used), and paid only 60% of the official price when new. My second thought is whether I’ll even notice the mini-LED in daily use. I don’t watch a lot of movies (none, really) on my iPads. Just some YouTube, but much more web browsing, writing, and maybe graphics applications. So I’m considering just buying a 2020 model at a big discount. I do use a cellular model, so if I were to buy a 2021 model, I could probably get a $200 rebate from Verizon. Which wouldn’t even cover the monthly cellular cost. ?.
 
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iPadified

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I think it's necessary to distinguish 2 things to avoid confusion:
- Multitasking RAM
- Apps RAM

So far the multitasking usefulness of RAM is only limited to open apps (which, as Max Tech show, doesn't change much between 8 and 16 even with a ton of apps open, those noting a difference are comparing to older devices, generally not to 8GB devices). At this point the RAM management algorithm doesn't even seem to work better with 16GB devices than with 8GB ones...(see video).
Other than that multitasking itself is very limited in iPadOS 14 compared to a desktop OS or even to some mobile OS, but this could change in the future (and I am confident it will in iPadOS 15, especially if full monitor support is introduced). So 16GB could become useful for multitasking, but I don't expect Apple to give any exclusive multitasking feature to 16GB devices, whatever is possible with 16 will be possible with 8 (eg. split screen on both iPad and external monitor at the same time).

RAM available to individual apps will certainly be upgraded to 6-7GB but it might never be upgraded to 14-15 GB for M1 iPads for the reasons I explained in a post above. It will probably be increased to 14-15 only when 16GB becomes the base configuration in whatever M2, M3 etc. iPad pro (same as when 6GB became the base in 2020, after existing but not being accessible to apps in the 2018 model, even now). Which means that on M1 iPads, apps will probably not be allowed to have higher setting (e.g. more layers) for 16GB devices.

Some people consider that if apps can only access less than 8GB RAM, 16GB models are useless. They are not, since that RAM could still be used for future multitasking features
You mean multitasking as in for instance background exports of movies while doing something else? Yes that would be very nice.

As you pointed out multitasking as having multiple windows open is not “real” multitasking as you can only interact with one window at a time, even on a Mac.
 

Slartibart

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You mean multitasking as in for instance background exports of movies while doing something else? Yes that would be very nice.
Just for the protocol: at least on an iPP 2020, iPadOS >=14.5 you can surf the web in Safari while exporting a movie in Lumafusion when in splitview.
 
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Boni3990@

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More RAM can make a difference if it enables multi-channel but it's unknown if anyone has gotten around to benchmarking memory performance between 8GB and 16GB.
 

rui no onna

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More RAM can make a difference if it enables multi-channel but it's unknown if anyone has gotten around to benchmarking memory performance between 8GB and 16GB.

8GB uses 2x4GB while 16GB uses 2x8GB. Memory performance and bandwidth should be the same.
 

kristalsoldier

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Can’t see how wanting the best and proper tablet experience makes you a fan boy, instead of settling for crap software and lag 24/7
Well, a quick review of your past posts suggests you are a fanboy. Nothing wrong with that, but your exuberance also sets you up for embarrassing situations like your expression of disappointment/anguish after WWDC in the context of the 2021 iPad Pro.
 

LFC2020

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Well, a quick review of your past posts suggests you are a fanboy. Nothing wrong with that, but your exuberance also sets you up for embarrassing situations like your expression of disappointment/anguish after WWDC in the context of the 2021 iPad Pro.
Still kept my 8gb ram model 😃 great device, hope the people who purchased the 16gb ram model that weren’t happy after WWDC got a refund.

Not embarrassed at all, nothing wrong with having a laugh from time to time, we’re all guessing in the end until the announcement, win some, you lose some, not the end of the world. 🤷‍♂️
 

kristalsoldier

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Still kept my 8gb ram model ? great device, hope the people who purchased the 16gb ram model that weren’t happy after WWDC got a refund.
Not embarrassed at all, nothing wrong with having a laugh from time to time, we’re all guessing in the end until the announcement, win some, you lose some, not the end of the world. ?‍♂️
Good for you. I appreciate the attitude, though not the fanboyism. Also, this is not a win some/lose some game. It’s just a bunch of folks sharing and expressing their needs/desires/hopes for machines that will aid them in what they do (or want to do)
 
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iPadified

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Still kept my 8gb ram model ? great device, hope the people who purchased the 16gb ram model that weren’t happy after WWDC got a refund.

Good for you. I appreciate the attitude, though not the fanboyism. Also, this is not a win some/lose some game. It’s just a bunch of folks sharing and expressing their needs/desires/hopes for machines that will aid them in what they do (or want to do)
LFC2020 was over optimistic for WWDC2021. Is that fanboyism? I do not think so.
 
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