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I'd agree with that. In general "tablet use" my GF's 6th Generation(?) iPad (early 2019 with pencil) is almost identical to my 2018 iPad Pro.

Yes the pro has more ram and faster processor but unless you're doing stuff that needs it you won't see any difference.

The truetone screen is nice, but its also got white-dot syndrome whereas hers does not. Hers was roughly half the price..


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That's not judging anyone, it's simple facts. If you just need an iPad to do primarily iPad/tablet stuff don't overlook the base model iPad. It's very capable these days, and I'm not so sure the TrueTone screen is worth ~2x the price. Your needs may vary, but definitely if you're in the market try both in store and compare. Don't just go straight for the Pro unless you need it, because you'll be able to upgrade the base model more frequently, which will give you better performance over time with the more frequent upgrade cycle.
 
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That Logitech Combo Touch looks nice. Row of shortcut buttons, backlighting, multiple angles of kickstand, and half the price of the Apple Magic keyboard.

I have owned a few of their keyboard covers in the past, and while I usually really like the keyboards themselves some of the other elements of the cases are not as good in the long run.

Definitely inspect it well or get it with a good return policy. Interactions with their customer care via email also leave a lot to be desired - that’s however just my personal journey with them.

Computer mice and trackballs in my experience are really where they shine.
 
It’s not a bad point to be honest with you. I absolutely love my ipad pro, but there are a lot of people who may be better suited with another model for sure.

Yup, especially if you consider that for the price of say, a 12.9" Pro plus Smart Keyboard, you can buy a MacBook Air AND a base model iPad, or close to it, depending on specs - that way you can have the tablet for tablet stuff and the MBA for computer type stuff. You can also use the iPad as a sidecar device with the MBA.

The current MBA is also lighter than the iPad Pro 12.9 with the new keyboard stand.
 
I see it the other way around, unless you have budget constraints there’s no reason to get iPad Air/7th gen as the Pro has all the advantages.

The mini is significantly smaller so it has an actual different use case but with the bezels the 11” Pro is about the same size as the Air and such.
 
Even if you don't have "budget constraints" it is mostly throwing money away unless you're going to get any real benefit from the Pro. Money you could throw at something else. Like other devices or vices.

The price difference is significant.

You just described budget constraints... But yes as I said, if you have to choose between which devices you can get it might make sense if you have no use for the benefits of the Pro.

Everyone can make use of the better screen, more RAM FaceID and such so in the end there is always a benefit to the Pro.
 
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You just described budget constraints... But yes as I said, if you have to choose between which devices you can get it might make sense if you have no use for the benefits of the Pro.

Everyone can make use of the better screen, more RAM FaceID and such so in the end there is always a benefit to the Pro.

Not to mention the greater storage flexibility.
 
It’s not a bad point to be honest with you. I absolutely love my ipad pro, but there are a lot of people who may be better suited with another model for sure.

The reason I created this thread is the major complaints about the iPad Pro (both the 11" and the 12.9") and many of the accessories (Magic Keyboard) are that it makes the tablet "harder to hold," detracts away from the original purpose of the tablet, "doesn't replace my laptop," "costs more than my laptop," etc. Almost every one of these critiques is solved if you simply buy one of the excellent other iPad models available. The iPad 7th Gen is a great value, the iPad Air is easy to hold in one hand, and both tablet are just as capable as the iPad Pro for most "tablet" uses. Those tablets are not as "nice" as the iPad Pro, but they are as effective for basic media consumption and simple tasks like mail and web browsing. And they can be used with a keyboard cover or external keyboard when necessary, as well as a pencil. Many people love the way Apple is pushing the iPad Pro - those that prefer a more tablet centered experience should get the other products so that each line is supported in the future. Hopefully, in future years, the iPad Air moves towards a higher quality screen and maybe even Face ID so those nicer features are available at a more "tablet" focused form factor and price.
 
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You can get really good deals on the iPad 7. $250 for the base model is not uncommon. There are also sales on the Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard, so all in you can have a pretty useful device for about $500 Total. This includes the cost of a basic bluetooth mouse. Or, you can buy the Logitech Combo Touch and Pencil for about the same.

Anyway, this is about half the price of an MBA or iPP (without Magic Keyboard), so it is definitely an option for people that want a reliable and versatile setup that you can take anywhere without a huge concern about it being damaged or stolen.

BTW - I find the BT Mouse most useful with productivity apps like iWork and Google Docs. Otherwise, I prefer to use touch with my iPad. It has a touch first OS after all. So, for me, I am not sure a $350 Magic Keyboard makes a whole lot of sense.
 
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I’m seeing a lot of people post things like ”I am disappointed in the Magic Keyboard because it makes it hard too use it in tablet mode, which is how I usually use an iPad“ or “It makes the iPad too heavy, I like holding it one hand,” or “The iPad is mainly a drawing device for me” or some other variant...

1) If you don’t want a study keyboard case, simply don’t buy the product. The Smart Keyboard folio may be better for you

2) If you are primarily using the iPad in tablet mode... you should either simply ignore most of the keyboard solutions, or better yet, go with the excellent iPad Air or iPad 7th Generation tablets. These tablets provide an excellent tablet experience at a fraction of the price and weight. I may get one myself as a companion “tablet“ to my iPad 12.9”


No.

The screen is not high enough quality compared to the pros. I buy pros because I want the highest quality screen.

Why would you even make this post?
 
The OP is not the only person that sees benefit in purchasing the lower cost iPads (1:45 & 3:35 for summaries). It really depends on your needs. For me, a desktop Mac plus low cost iPad is a good combo. I just dont need much power when mobile, and I like having something durable and inexpensive when out and about.

 
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I see what the OP is saying. Most people do not actually think out their purchases and sort of just buy whatever seems best due to naming scheme, year made, design, etc. So yes, you technically are throwing extra money out if you’re not utilizing most of the features the pro adds. However, if you are financially stable, I guess it doesn’t really matter unless you’re actually being thorough with what you’re purchasing. It’s like how some people purchase a macbook Pro with an i9/dGPU... but will never actually use it for what the intent is.
 
The funny thing is that Apple intentionally limited the functionality of the wireless Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad on the iPad OS. Even my old wired Apple Mighty Mouse works better when connected via a simple USB dock, at least scrolling works.

And for some mysterious reason, the more modern wireless Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad - scrolling in the iPad OS does not work. Of course, there is nothing mysterious here, many Apple users have old mice and trackpads. It would be very difficult to sell a new ultra-expensive keyboard with a trackpad if the old ones continued to work.

At least the Apple wireless keyboard and even the cheapest Logitech wireless mice and trackpads work.
 
The funny thing is that Apple intentionally limited the functionality of the wireless Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad on the iPad OS. Even my old wired Apple Mighty Mouse works better when connected via a simple USB dock, at least scrolling works.

And for some mysterious reason, the more modern wireless Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad - scrolling in the iPad OS does not work. Of course, there is nothing mysterious here, many Apple users have old mice and trackpads. It would be very difficult to sell a new ultra-expensive keyboard with a trackpad if the old ones continued to work.

At least the Apple wireless keyboard and even the cheapest Logitech wireless mice and trackpads work.

Trackpad 2 works great.
 
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This thread was always going to be ripe for reactions from the subject heading. The OP first creates a hackle-raising thread title. Then he proceeds to tell people how they are currently using their device, informs them that their feedback on the Magic Keyboard is invalid and that they shouldn’t own an iPad Pro if they don’t like the MK, instructs them which of the devices they should have bought instead, and then to support his manifiesto de generalización he makes false, unchecked statements about iPad model sizes and weights. In true fact, the iPad 7, 11” iPad Pro, and iPad Air 3 are all within less than 30g of each other, and I just listed them in order of heaviest to lightest. The 11” Pro is also the thinnest and has the smallest volume of the 3. It is more ”tablet form factor” than ever before, and by general media and review consensus better at being a tablet than any iPad that came before it?

Also, what about Luma Fusion & Luma FX, Affinity Photo, Procreate, etc? These are not tablet first use cases? That’s hardly doodling around and you can see obvious performance drops using the 7 and Air 3 in workflows with these apps. On the desktop productivity side, what about Desktop Google Business Suite and Office 365 via Safari? Trying to use the 7 with these web apps was painful, whereas on the Pro it is buttery smooth. I mean, seriously, lets have a for real exchange of use cases, frustrations, hallelujah moments, information exchange and knowledge sharing instead of sweeping generalizations, loose “fact conforming” to support pov’s or agendas, finger pointing, “you’re using it wrong,” and, ”you’re not the target market,” self-proclaimed internet expert pundit statements.

I feel the Magic Keyboard is not a good buy either, big caveat being of course, for my own personal use case, because it is too cumbersome to have as an always on case, unlike the the Smart Keyboard Folio. I feel this is a legitimate gripe, as it greatly impacts the way I experience the iPad. I agree with a lot of the criticisms and frustrations, even though it is a beautiful accessory product, and I can see how and why lots of people will love it and it is perfect for them. It would serve me better as a desktop setup replacement, but since I already have a more capable external keyboard and trackpad desktop solution, and a more portable keyboard case in the form of the SKF, its a non-starter - for me. I guess I should just not make any comments because I am not the target market for the MK (because I am of the opinion it should be capable of folding back all the way and be less cumbersome)??

I can play the same game. How about this? I postulate that the people complaining that the iPP costs more than their laptop or doesn’t replace their laptop are more than likely not looking for it to be tablet first at all, so why would a cheaper one that is less capable of fulfilling that use case be a better option? They would just have more to complain about. They want a magical device that can be a laptop replacement and a great tablet, and they want it in Apple’s ecosystem, and they want it done better than Microsoft’s Surface products do it. They want to be on iPadOS/iOS because it is simple and a joy to use. They don‘t want a companion device. The whole reason they are making these comments is because they think having a companion device to their laptop and phone is redundant and useless, not worth the money, etc.

Guy walks up to a bar and says, “Hey bartender, my iPad Pro with the new Magic Keyboard is heavier and more expensive than my MacBook, and now harder to use as just a tablet, and it still can’t fully replace my laptop like I hoped it would! What should I do?”

Bartender replies, “Hmmm...why not get a cheaper one that’s bigger, slower, and has a smaller, dimmer, and less accurate and fluid display? It won’t solve any of the problems you listed, but it will save you some cash!”

Guy lets out a relieved sigh, “Wow, thanks bartender! You’re a genius!”

Now I agree and think the 7 and Air 3 are good devices and probably enough for lots of people that actually use the iPad as a companion device to a laptop or desktop. For example, my little not-so-unique iPad history goes a little bit like this:

Before I went iPad only professionally as well as personally, I had an iPad as a primary personal computing device, but also as a companion device to my company Macs as well. It was great! Then, I started to use the iPad for more and more professional tasks, and because I enjoyed the form factor and UX so much, I started to seek out ways to use it even more, replace traditional desktop OS workflows, etc. and in the end only had heavy spreadsheeting, dash-board creation, and light development environment work left still on the Mac. I still used the iPad for “tablet first” things constantly for my personal computing needs, but now I was able to use it for virtually everything else for “professional“ computing as well. Then came iPadOS, with desktop browsing and mouse support. I left macOS behind completely. Now in particular the 13.4 update with iPad cursor support has made things practically seamless. Still many small niggles and necessary work arounds at times, but it has always been fun to explore the potential and possibilities.

I mean, I’ve been there. I actually bought and returned the 11” iPad Pro when it first came out in 2018, before iPadOS was released. I still had a mini 4 and a 10.5” iPad Pro, and it didn’t offer enough for me at the time of release to make it worthwhile. I made posts about that decision then. At the time I was in a position where we had a traditional MS IT infrastructure, so just trying to use macOS was being an unsupported outlying case. But iPadOS changed that enough so that when I was head hunted a year later and asked what hardware I preferred, I said iPad Pro without batting an eye. (They batted their eyes at that...several times...but went along with it without needing too much reassurance) Then the 13.4 release like I said, jumped that up another big notch. Hoping iPadOS 14 will blur the lines even further.

Tablet first - I don’t even know what that means anymore. I almost always use my device touch first, except when in spreadsheets, databases or similar where I need repeated precise cursor placement, and I am almost always holding my device in “tablet mode” when not using it at my desk in the office. So I don’t get how any of what the OP originally wrote made any sense.

Tldr; The point is, anyone can postulate a premise for these things. But at least state that you have a theory, or an idea, a thought, an opinion, a suggestion, or something to that effect.
 
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The point of this thread is that people are stupid and don’t do proper research when purchasing something. Then they complain that the thing they purchased is not functioning like they assumed it would function. The lesson here is to do research first then decide if the device or accessory is for you.
 
The point of this thread is that people are stupid and don’t do proper research when purchasing something. Then they complain that the thing they purchased is not functioning like they assumed it would function. The lesson here is to do research first then decide if the device or accessory is for you.
No, MyopicPaideia has more points than you do... But in the what are these comments on MacRumors? Opinions... It's not the first time that people try to make their opinion sound like the Bible...
By the way, the reason why you have so many different opinions is because the ipad is something different to everybody.... I, for instance, have no interest in a tablet as defined by Steve Jobs, and didn't buy into the original concept for several years, and still I have 7 ipads now... I use all of them with keyboards, except the minis. I have my own use that does not match other people's use... Why on earth should someone tell other people not to buy an ipad pro if they use the ipad as a tablet first and have the money? And the fact that some people don't do research before they buy does not change that...
 
Unless you're a multimillionaire for whom buying $1000 iPads is the same as buying a pack of gum, most people do tend to have budget constraints.
I don't agree with you on this... It all depends how much you value what you buy.... I have seen people who are far from being millionaires spend more than that on large 4k TV sets... And that's not for work.... Why it should be different with an ipad... (personally I value ipads more than TVs...)
 
I don't agree with you on this... It all depends how much you value what you buy.... I have seen people who are far from being millionaires spend more than that on large 4k TV sets... And that's not for work.... Why it should be different with an ipad... (personally I value ipads more than TVs...)
That's kinda the point. I'm not at all saying people shouldn't buy iPad Pros. That would be extremely hypocritical considering I own a few and am planning on buying a 1TB cellular model. Just that most people have budgets and need to weigh the value of their purchases.

I can afford to buy a $1500 iPad. However, I can't afford 10x other things I want that also cost $1500 (well, I can but then I'd need to dip into savings).

Hence, I need to weigh the value the iPad Pro gives and what alternatives are available versus my other wants. I expect the same is true for a lot of folks.
 
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