The real shame is that you've managed to bash something you've never used just because someone happens to give it a decent review which threatens your apple love. Relax, LTD - no one is going to force you to get one.
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The real shame is that you've managed to bash something you've never used just because someone happens to give it a decent review which threatens your apple love. Relax, LTD - no one is going to force you to get one.
Sorry, my friend has a driod X, and has somewhere around a billion apps on it (hyperbole, obviously 
) but if you open apps, leave them, and open more, eventually the phone gets to the point where it's lagging and even glitching, until you reboot it. I installed a task manager for her, and that helps, but it's still a pain, and for whatever reason it needs to be rebooted more often than I would think is normal. It's probably a rogue app, however I feel like that shouldn't effect the phone that way.
I guess that's a product of the openness of the google app store though, you gotta take the good with the bad.
) but if you open apps, leave them, and open more, eventually the phone gets to the point where it's lagging and even glitching, until you reboot it. I installed a task manager for her, and that helps, but it's still a pain, and for whatever reason it needs to be rebooted more often than I would think is normal. It's probably a rogue app, however I feel like that shouldn't effect the phone that way.I guess that's a product of the openness of the google app store though, you gotta take the good with the bad.
LTD, it's not quite a disaster. Even without any 3rd party apps, it's not bad. It is missing a lot of features still, but coming from a 4 year old "dumb phone', I had few expectations, and hearing that MS threw WP7 together so fast, I had even less expectations, and I was pleasantly surprised. Sure it's missing niceties, but I wouldn't be so harsh on it, not yet at least. Granted, if it isn't updated in 3 months I'll be ticked, but it's certainly usable as-is. It's not fair to call it a disaster of epic proportions, but I will agree in some areas it's miles away from an iPhone. But I still like it, even if it is just another "me too".*LTD* said:
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I have a droid x and have not had any near that experience.
In fact its conventional wisdom for the android platform, NOT to run a task killer as they cause more problems then cure.
I have a fairly decent amount of apps, many of them are active, but my DX is chugging along.
You're friend's experience is not typical of a droid x owner. I frequent a number of android forums and my experience appears to be the norm.
In fact its conventional wisdom for the android platform, NOT to run a task killer as they cause more problems then cure.
I have a fairly decent amount of apps, many of them are active, but my DX is chugging along.
You're friend's experience is not typical of a droid x owner. I frequent a number of android forums and my experience appears to be the norm.
This is certainly getting off topic, but I'll have to investigate her android phone more than. I just sorta assumed it was a byproduct of having such an open app store.
One of the things that android really handles well is open apps. If they're not actively being run, they consume almost no resources.
Some applications could certainly be misbehaving causing this problem, regardless of the actual cause her experience with the droid is not typical.
Some applications could certainly be misbehaving causing this problem, regardless of the actual cause her experience with the droid is not typical.
Nor have I used a Zune or ZuneHD. Don't need to use one to see that nothing compelling is brought to the table.
If you're waiting for it to be on par with the iPhone, smoke em if ya got em, because you'll be waiting a LONG time. There is currently, after all this time, no single Google phone that is on par with the iPhone. MS isn't going to pull a rabbit out of their hat, and of course, they haven't now, either.
What exactly does MS expect at this point? There is no way they can compete with Apple directly in terms of innovation and ideas in the mobile space - forget that. This is Microsoft we're talking about. They're still trying to figure out how to shove a full OS onto a tablet. LOL
As long as the crew that brought you the iPad and iPhone continue their work in Cupertino, FORGET about MS ever equalling that experience. Not gonna happen. They're simply not set up and organized for that. There's a totally different culture at Apple and unless MS can equal that (they won't, not in the least because Uncle Fester is running the show), they're left to play the same game they've always played: license to everyone and fling everything at the wall in the hope something sticks. Race to the bottom. Give Dell and others the OS. The good old commodity/volume sales game in the consumer space you play when you have nothing really new to offer. Problem is, we *already have* someone supplying a generic OS to everyone with the ability to build a box: Google.
Microsloth is once again a victim of just that: slow and late to the game with nothing revolutionary with which to break through. Enter Zune, ZuneHD, Kin, etc. Same old MS, same old story.
The Palm Pre got great reviews too. So did the ZuneHD. That isn't enough at this point in the game. You either turn the market on its head and pull off a revolutionary "June 2007" like Apple did, or you compete directly with Google playing the same game in the same space as Eric T. Mole. Good luck with that. Schmidt took decent notes and Ballmer was left with having to skirt around patents.
In other words, you'll forgive Apple but not anyone else. Consider also that Blackberry is having a tough time. Many people I know from within our company and our vendors are ditching Blackberries due to instability. So, entrenched does not mean the road ahead is paved and easy going. Conversely, companies that lead have the hardest time holding on to the lead.
So this is where the debate ends. Once name calling enters the arena, it indicates you have no more facts and that previous statements are questionable.
That's opinion, not fact.
I think that's the hardware vendors you are referring to. The business model of MS is not equivalent of Apple's.
You are assuming everyone wants the Apple experience. It's evident they don't; I know I don't. I have an iPod Touch and will consider other devices for my next purchase. I don't know why anyone wants to be that connected to Apple's products, but that's their choice.
Again, you're just trolling by using name calling.
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No, the bar is set higher for Apple. There are folks that couldn't care less about copy and paste. There's a reason why many folks don't have smartphones. They just need SMS and phone.
I didn't say I was exiting. You need to re-read carefully what I wrote. I said the debate ended when you pulled the name calling card. Why not do what you said above and set the bar higher? Anyone can call others names and in every single case, it adds no value.
What else exactly would you like me to call these jokers:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-shifted-money-to-make-windows-appear-more-profitable#comments
http://www.informationweek.com/news...jhtml?articleID=228200850&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All
This has to be the worst question I've ever seen. I'll leave you to figure this one out.
Anyway, back on topic, I'm interested in WP7 for my next phone. I am up for renewal in July, 2011, so I'm hoping things kick up before then.
*LTD* your comments on WP7 are worth less than worthless.
We can sight multiple examples of you all do is bash anything non-apple no matter what the truth is. You are not even willing to consider anything not apple and give it a real over view.
No all you do is look for odd ball stories or little nit picky things. You do not even bother trying to look at it.
Feel free to prove me wrong on a MS product of you being positive about them or giving them a fair shot. Other wise go away because you are doing nothing more than trolling.
I will call this one like I see it LTD you are behaving like a troll.
We can sight multiple examples of you all do is bash anything non-apple no matter what the truth is. You are not even willing to consider anything not apple and give it a real over view.
No all you do is look for odd ball stories or little nit picky things. You do not even bother trying to look at it.
Feel free to prove me wrong on a MS product of you being positive about them or giving them a fair shot. Other wise go away because you are doing nothing more than trolling.
I will call this one like I see it LTD you are behaving like a troll.
What else is new?
I haven't actually gotten a chance to try out WP7 yet, but I must admit my brief experiences with 5 and 6 really put me off from trying it again. Shame, far as I know it could be a wonderful OS too. But I'm perfectly happy with webOS for right now anyway.
Since Im not conernced with "multitasking" and copy and paste since they will be coming, but Id like to ask how the people who have used a personal device for a while (Their own device, not a demo device) how the alphabetical lists work for finding applications.
I realize I mostly use the same apps on my iPhone/Android, but I also like how I can set screens up with icons to access the apps that way.
How does the alphabetical list+tiles work as far as finding apps quickly? Do you find it a burden to find apps you want to use compared to iOS/android?
I realize I mostly use the same apps on my iPhone/Android, but I also like how I can set screens up with icons to access the apps that way.
How does the alphabetical list+tiles work as far as finding apps quickly? Do you find it a burden to find apps you want to use compared to iOS/android?
*LTD*, the crux of your argument is that wp7 will never be as good as iOS. No one is disagreeing. I'll. Be the first to admit that wp7 has shortcomings. My point is that, what they did do, they did as well as Apple.
Mike, as far as the list goes, it works alright. Right now I only have 36 apps installed, including the preinstalled stuff. I an see it getting out of hand easily, but as long as there aren't many apps yet, it works...
I think iOS is better now, but we'll see.
P.s.i am posting this from my phone.
P.p.s. Casey, I would have gotten webos but I wasn't sure about its future, and I know ns will give wp7 all they got.
Mike, as far as the list goes, it works alright. Right now I only have 36 apps installed, including the preinstalled stuff. I an see it getting out of hand easily, but as long as there aren't many apps yet, it works...
I think iOS is better now, but we'll see.
P.s.i am posting this from my phone.
P.p.s. Casey, I would have gotten webos but I wasn't sure about its future, and I know ns will give wp7 all they got.
*LTD* please leave. You're talking ****. Or at least, more than usual. Yet again you have hijacked a reasonable discussion and turned it into a "Apple vs The World" argument. You're act is getting old and rather irritating. I fail to see how you can even comment so boldly on the topic in hand, as you have never even used a WP7.
What do M$ hope to achieve? Sales. And they certainly are doing, so either accept that other companies besides Apple are fully capable of doing something worthwhile or take another swig of your coolaid and piss off.
What do M$ hope to achieve? Sales. And they certainly are doing, so either accept that other companies besides Apple are fully capable of doing something worthwhile or take another swig of your coolaid and piss off.
well lets try to get things back on track.
Like I said earlier WP7 has my attention. It has gone from no way in hell to possible replacement for my blackberry in 6 months. It has some interesting things for it.
I kind of want to know how easy is it to write apps for and how easy will it be to install self written apps on your own phone. I know with Apple it requires $100 per year to do so. I want to know what WP7 cost is and if I could in theory do it for free.
Android I know I can easily do it. I do not want to really develop apps for money but more of a side project that would just be plane fun. I have several programs I have written for class I that I still play with and try to add things to. Completely worthless and mostly just something I can say I did that. It pretty cool knowing stuff I coded reacts certain ways.
Like I said earlier WP7 has my attention. It has gone from no way in hell to possible replacement for my blackberry in 6 months. It has some interesting things for it.
I kind of want to know how easy is it to write apps for and how easy will it be to install self written apps on your own phone. I know with Apple it requires $100 per year to do so. I want to know what WP7 cost is and if I could in theory do it for free.
Android I know I can easily do it. I do not want to really develop apps for money but more of a side project that would just be plane fun. I have several programs I have written for class I that I still play with and try to add things to. Completely worthless and mostly just something I can say I did that. It pretty cool knowing stuff I coded reacts certain ways.
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I think the only way to do it free is to register as a student. If that's you it should work.
Otherwise you need to wait until someone finds a way to sideload apps.
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I can do the student way. I am sitting on the ability to do that right now as I want max amount of time if I go that way and I want to be a be better at programing first. What i like about android is I can do dev things with out having to pay any fees if I am not interested in trying to put my stuff in the market.
How is the Facebook chat? Does it randomly blank every few minutes like the iPhone app does?
Quite honestly, I have no idea how to facebook chat with people on this thing. All I have figured out so far is texting. I'll play around with it some more when finals aren't kicking my behind.
Which, coincidently, is also why I haven't been updating the thread as much as I'd have liked to.
Thanks for the review.
I am very interested in the Dell Venue Pro and WP7. It looks like Microsoft is taking some steps in the right direction with WP7, and it feels more like they are trying to forge their own path rather than tread on a path blazed by somebody else (much like Android following iOS).
The UI is really nice looking, and I love the idea of the dynamic tiles. Very sharp looking.
I have been using an iPhone from the start and never looked at anything else until these phones surfaced. I am impressed that this is the first thing that has ever gotten me to take my eyes off of my iPhone.
Though I am closer to the beginning of a 2-year contract than the end, so I won't be switching for quite sometime (if I even do). That gives me plenty of time to see what happens with WP7, test some out at the stores, and decide whether it will be a mobile experience I want to move to, or if I want to remain within the confines of my Apple ecosystem.
I am very interested in the Dell Venue Pro and WP7. It looks like Microsoft is taking some steps in the right direction with WP7, and it feels more like they are trying to forge their own path rather than tread on a path blazed by somebody else (much like Android following iOS).
The UI is really nice looking, and I love the idea of the dynamic tiles. Very sharp looking.
I have been using an iPhone from the start and never looked at anything else until these phones surfaced. I am impressed that this is the first thing that has ever gotten me to take my eyes off of my iPhone.
Though I am closer to the beginning of a 2-year contract than the end, so I won't be switching for quite sometime (if I even do). That gives me plenty of time to see what happens with WP7, test some out at the stores, and decide whether it will be a mobile experience I want to move to, or if I want to remain within the confines of my Apple ecosystem.
HTC Trophy coming to Verizon early 2011
Gotta keep my Droid X in good condition until then!
Ditto, I wonder if they'll give us an opporunity to "upgrade" or I'll need to pay the unsubsidized price for the phone - given that the droidx will only be 6 or 7 months old at the point.
So I've been using it a while now. What I can say for certainty is that I like it. There's a few nuances, but no game stoppers. Even what was bugging me when I first got the phone, isn't anymore. Most shortcomings can be fixed by buying an app, or using the phone slightly differently.
Since I got the phone, the number of apps in the app store (and their quality) had increased. Basically, I've got 0 complaints with it right now.
But more so than just being another "me too", it's also competition that is forcing Apple to offer more for free. An example is "find my iPhone", which used to be tied to a mobile me subscription, is now free. Just like it's free on my Win 7 phone
As my final review, I'll deduct a star because it's still missing features, but that's all: Otherwise it's a pretty great phone, no major bugs, and running on great hardware.
Since I got the phone, the number of apps in the app store (and their quality) had increased. Basically, I've got 0 complaints with it right now.
But more so than just being another "me too", it's also competition that is forcing Apple to offer more for free. An example is "find my iPhone", which used to be tied to a mobile me subscription, is now free. Just like it's free on my Win 7 phone
As my final review, I'll deduct a star because it's still missing features, but that's all: Otherwise it's a pretty great phone, no major bugs, and running on great hardware.