A word on Raise to Wake

[lagwagon]

In the health app (on a iPhone 6), just under the pedometer, it shows how many miles you've walked. I think the phone is able to work that out without GPS.

The M9 uses the same tech that's in the S1 on the watch. Which is something not available on the M8. It gives it better pace tracking for without GPS. Was mentioned in the link I posted earlier.
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But I personally don't think it's too much of a deal with the iPads. You can always flip the Smart Cover and it lights up, then just press the Touch ID.

It may or may not be a big deal, but it just shows that not even all M9 coprocessors are even equal. With the 12.9" being the only A9 series chip and M9 coprocessor device out of 4 products that doesn't do everything the chips were designed for.

 

[ISRMafia]

Obviously, this feature depends heavily on the m-series motion co-processors of the 64 bit chip Apple shipped since iPhone 5s and iPad Air, why is it exclusive to only iPhone 6s? The only thing m9 brought is always-on Hey Siri. And for those who possess iPad Pros, does this feature work on those?

I want to believe Apple is working on bringing Raise to Wake to older devices, otherwise it's gonna be a real pain in the, you know.

basically embedding the M9 into the processor itself made it possible to be Always on which in older versions was only on when charging . being always on means it can detect raising the device always. Proofing the feature functionality .

 

[Septillion]

basically embedding the M9 into the processor itself made it possible to be Always on which in older versions was only on when charging . being always on means it can detect raising the device always. Proofing the feature functionality .

It was ALWAYS always on since m7. It was the whole idea with the co-processor remember? So that the phone is able to track your steps even in your pocket without draining too much power.

Previous replies indicate that it was only the m9 that's able to access the gyro whereas the m7 or m8 can only access accelerometer.

I think we just have to wait and see.

 

[lagwagon]

It was ALWAYS always on since m7. It was the whole idea with the co-processor remember? So that the phone is able to track your steps even in your pocket without draining too much power.

Previous replies indicate that it was only the m9 that's able to access the gyro whereas the m7 or m8 can only access accelerometer.

I think we just have to wait and see.

There have been jailbreak tweaks since I think at least iOS 8 that enable a Raise to Wake functionality. The M9 isn't the only M coprocessor that can handle it technically. It's pretty much likely Apple just doesn't want older M7/M8 doing it because they would consume more power to continuously track Raise to Wake vs the M9.

 

[HopefulHumanist]

It was ALWAYS always on since m7. It was the whole idea with the co-processor remember? So that the phone is able to track your steps even in your pocket without draining too much power.

Previous replies indicate that it was only the m9 that's able to access the gyro whereas the m7 or m8 can only access accelerometer.

I think we just have to wait and see.

I believe ISRMafia is talking about Always-On Hey Siri, which was indeed introduced with the M9.

 

[Elisha]

Raise to wake is a battery drain even on the 6s Plus for me.

 

[Septillion]

Raise to wake is a battery drain even on the 6s Plus for me.

Shots Fire!

 

[idrisinan]

It is about sales politics on Apple. Raise to wake incredible but why all devices not ? For example 5s and higher must be. I think jail breaking will do it firstly this feature on older devices. If will be enable with jb, why Apple don't , I don't know the real reason.

 

[Agit21]

Can't believe you guys are talking about this minor (and in my opinion useless) feature.
The whole idea or the main reason for raise to wake is the ultra fast Touch ID sensor. The 6s and 6s plus are the only devices that have this "problem" (of unlocking the iPhone too fast).

 

[idrisinan]

Can't believe you guys are talking about this minor (and in my opinion useless) feature.
The whole idea or the main reason for raise to wake is the ultra fast Touch ID sensor. The 6s and 6s plus are the only devices that have this "problem" (of unlocking the iPhone too fast).

Not exactly, 5se Touch ID first gen

 

[C DM]

It is about sales politics on Apple. Raise to wake incredible but why all devices not ? For example 5s and higher must be. I think jail breaking will do it firstly this feature on older devices. If will be enable with jb, why Apple don't , I don't know the real reason.

You say you don't know the reason...but also say it's because of sales and politics.
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Not exactly, 5se Touch ID first gen

The SE supports it most likely simply because it can--because it has M9.

 

[azfalcons]

I love the "raise to wake" but the stupid rest finger to open still doesn't work. Yes it's activated within settings

 

[eyeseeyou]

I feel like if it can work on jailbroken phones then it should be an option to be enabled on "old" phones

 

[Feenician]

I feel like if it can work on jailbroken phones then it should be an option to be enabled on "old" phones

There's work and then there's "work". Siri "worked" on iphone 4 and iPad 1 with jailbreak but the lack of now cancellation hardware made it a poorer experience in anything but absolute quiet. Similarly it seems the power budget would be higher on non m9 devices to support raise to wake.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[C DM]

I love the "raise to wake" but the stupid rest finger to open still doesn't work. Yes it's activated within settings

Are you on the very latest beta?

 

[Septillion]

Can't believe you guys are talking about this minor (and in my opinion useless) feature.
The whole idea or the main reason for raise to wake is the ultra fast Touch ID sensor. The 6s and 6s plus are the only devices that have this "problem" (of unlocking the iPhone too fast).

Because the way Apple is implementing Raise to Wake essentially crippled the old devices. Now you have to press Home Button twice to unlock the phone instead of once.
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I love the "raise to wake" but the stupid rest finger to open still doesn't work. Yes it's activated within settings

Try Dev Pre 3 or Public Beta 2.
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There's work and then there's "work". Siri "worked" on iphone 4 and iPad 1 with jailbreak but the lack of now cancellation hardware made it a poorer experience in anything but absolute quiet. Similarly it seems the power budget would be higher on non m9 devices to support raise to wake.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Agreed.

But on the other hand, older version of the AirDrop is available on older Macs which obviously doesn't work as well as the newer version. Apple didn't disable it.

 

[Feenician]

Agreed. But on the other hand, older version of the AirDrop is available on older Macs. Apple didn't disable it.

I'm genuinely not sure what you mean by "older version of airdrop on older macs". Can you expand on that?

 

[Septillion]

I'm genuinely not sure what you mean by "older version of airdrop on older macs". Can you expand on that?

Older version of AirDrop is a pure Wi-Fi based function, which can only discover and send files to and receive files from a Mac. Newer version uses bluetooth to discover nearby devices but uses Wi-Fi to do the transfer thus giving iOS devices to AirDrop between each other and enabling cross platform communication between iOS devices and Macs.

The newer version of AirDrop requires BT 4.0 to work but is backward compatible with the older version, but you have to explicitly let the device "search for older Macs".

 

[Feenician]

Older version of AirDrop is a pure Wi-Fi based function, which can only discover and send files to and receive files from a Mac. Newer version uses bluetooth to discover nearby devices but uses Wi-Fi to do the transfer thus giving iOS devices to AirDrop between each other and enabling cross platform communication between iOS devices and Macs.

The newer version of AirDrop requires BT 4.0 to work but is backward compatible with the older version, but you have to explicitly let the device "search for older Macs".

Oh yeah, that does ring a bell now. Thanks.

I guess the difference is that they added a new, better software function for newer hardware without taking anything away from older hardware. Not really like the raise to wake situation at all since it's not like raise to wake was ever implemented (by Apple) on the m7 or m8 hardware. If it had been in quite sure they wouldn't have taken that way now either.

 

[eyeseeyou]

There's work and then there's "work". Siri "worked" on iphone 4 and iPad 1 with jailbreak but the lack of now cancellation hardware made it a poorer experience in anything but absolute quiet. Similarly it seems the power budget would be higher on non m9 devices to support raise to wake.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Agreed that's why I said it should be an option.

I mean you could also keep your screen at maximum brightness all day but that would kill your battery life a lot quicker. That doesn't mean apple should remove the option to make it that bright.

 

[C DM]

Agreed that's why I said it should be an option.

I mean you could also keep your screen at maximum brightness all day but that would kill your battery life a lot quicker. That doesn't mean apple should remove the option to make it that bright.

Not if they deem it to be an experience not consistent with the one that they want to provide.

 

[Septillion]

Agreed that's why I said it should be an option.

I mean you could also keep your screen at maximum brightness all day but that would kill your battery life a lot quicker. That doesn't mean apple should remove the option to make it that bright.

You have a point.
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Not if they deem it to be an experience not consistent with the one that they want to provide.

The thing about Apple is they do whatever they want to.

 

[azfalcons]

I believe I am on public beta 2. All the phone says is 10.0

 

[stevemiller]

on the one hand, as long as 'rest finger to unlock' continues working, i'm fine with no raise to wake on my 6. i don't care if it was beta bugs, muscle memory or whatever, the two weeks i was forced to use 'press to to go to home screen' was miserable and i'm glad to be rid of it.

on the issue of what hardware can or should support the raise to wake for those who want it, i think arguing the technical details of the m9 is irrelevant. even if there's a technical variation of the m9 in the iPad pro that doesn't support it, i think it would still be poor form for apple to omit a function that already exists in some form of the m9 just so they can add it back to a later hardware release.

but tin-foil hat off, i doubt its even that. i'm guessing they just don't see it as a worthwhile iPad feature period. some of us might disagree with that assessment, but ultimately thats where we're at.