Able to call all my favourites from lock screen when locked, bug?

[Corgirat]

I'm speculating here as I don't know Apple's true intentions, but:

I believe Apple views an analog phone call as a non-threatening medium whereas an app can contain sensitive data.

Incoming phone calls to not require an unlock. Therefore why would an outgoing call require one? If a bad guy got your phone and called one of your favorites, that person could hang up the phone or block the number if it was annoying. The phone does not display the telephone number, just the person's name.

Allowing someone to tap an app widget also allows that person access into the app itself, so that theoretical bad guy could get at any personal information or configuration within a given app like your home address, your bank, etc. Apple would then need an API, run the risk of infiltration, have to police things, it gets messy because of the millions of apps in the app store.

I'm not saying I agree with Apple's thought process. I am saying how I can see this as a convenience feature and not a bug. For years someone could pick up your phone, launch the camera, and take nude photos of himself and cause a privacy issue. Apple isn't worried about that, a stray phone call to a favorite is far less of an issue.

BJ

Are you saying it's ok for a toddlers to tap to call favorites 100 times? Why is it in any reasonable way OK for a guy who found/stole your phone to be able to call your favorites
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At the same time, phones have been present in households for decades without any particular restrictions (from the phones themselves) who can use them, when, or how.

You're talking about a house phone that stayed in the house we are talking about a cell phone a mobile phone that can be out in the bar or that can be stolen at the mall or anywhere
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Not to mention you can 3D press the phone app with 6s and higher and effectively do the same thing. Once you are unlocked there is not really a reason to use the widget in reality.

Exactly that's my point. the purpose of the widget is to be able to use the app without unlocking the phone. all I'm asking is to put touch ID or passcode protection before it actually calls out

 

[C DM]

The chance of a toddler picking up a phone and pressing the right sequence of numbers to actually get anywhere is a heck of a lot lower than them picking up a phone and touching a great big autodial favorite on the main screen of a locked phone.

There's that, although at the same time many phones have had redial and programmed numbers as part of them for a long time now too, so a child could be pressing those things and making actual calls too, not to mention plenty of stories being around of kids accidentally calling 911 or some other numbers (even if just randomly/accidentally dialed). I guess what I'm trying to say is that something like that hasn't really been seen as bad/significant enough to warrant that much attention to it, beyond typical parenting type of attention essentially.

You're talking about a house phone that stayed in the house we are talking about a cell phone a mobile phone that can be out in the bar or that can be stolen at the mall or anywhere

The context of the post I as replying to, and thus the context of my post, was specifically in relation to children. You bring up another case that is related to it.

Exactly that's my point. the purpose of the widget is to be able to use the app without unlocking the phone. all I'm asking is to put touch ID or passcode protection before it actually calls out

It would be good if Apple either did that or at least provided an option for it. As it is for now, unless it's just an oversight or a bug of some sort, it seems that calls are treated somewhat differently when it comes to the lock screen where more leeway is given to them as far as receiving them, calling missed calls back, and even making them it seems.

I'm trying to remember how this kind of thing worked with iOS 9, for example, using various 3rd party favorites widgets, and if they needed the phone to be unlocked first to work.
[doublepost=1473964929][/doublepost]Having said all that, it seems that there's potentially an even bigger issue, or at least similar, when it comes to the new rich notifications where various apps are allowing all kinds of actions to be performed right from the notification without the phone needing to be unlocked.

 

[zhenya]

Having said all that, it seems that there's potentially an even bigger issue, or at least similar, when it comes to the new rich notifications where various apps are allowing all kinds of actions to be performed right from the notification without the phone needing to be unlocked.

Is that true though? Every other widget I have currently requires me to unlock the phone as soon as I try to interact with it.

 

[C DM]

Is that true though? Every other widget I have currently requires me to unlock the phone as soon as I try to interact with it.

It seems like there are various posts of people being able to reply to or delete messages from WhatsApp, for example, or some other apps right from the lock screen notifications without unlocking their device. Most of what I've read about rich notifications seems to imply that they should go through the process of having the phone unlocked for most of these types of actions, but it seems like there's likely some exclusion set of what's allowed (and mostly isn't controllable by the user unless the app provides those controls or the user simply decides to let's say disable lock screen notifications for that app).

 

[zhenya]

It seems like there are various posts of people being able to reply to or delete messages from WhatsApp, for example, or some other apps right from the lock screen notifications without unlocking their device. Most of what I've read about rich notifications seems to imply that they should go through the process of having the phone unlocked for most of these types of actions, but it seems like there's likely some exclusion set of what's allowed (and mostly isn't controllable by the user unless the app provides those controls or the user simply decides to let's say disable lock screen notifications for that app).

Ok, yeah, it's a different story with notifications at the moment. I can interact with the notification cards that come up on the main screen - reply to text messages, delete/archive/etc. Outlook messages - all without unlocking. That behavior might be convenient, but it's inconsistent and not terribly secure, IMO. Someone can pick up my phone and respond to any of the messages displayed but they can't read a news story without unlocking??

 

[C DM]

Ok, yeah, it's a different story with notifications at the moment. I can interact with the notification cards that come up on the main screen - reply to text messages, delete/archive/etc. Outlook messages - all without unlocking. That behavior might be convenient, but it's inconsistent and not terribly secure, IMO. Someone can pick up my phone and respond to any of the messages displayed but they can't read a news story without unlocking??

Right. Seems like there are various inconsistencies when it comes to widgets (at least some of them like the favorites one) and also when it comes to (rich) notifications as far as what can or can't be done, and really what should be possible or not, when the device is locked.

 

[boltjames]

Can someone please tell me what I can do to require touchid to call out on favorite when phone is locked? Please?? I still want the favorite to show there but I don't want baby to be calling on people because it doesn't require password or Touch ID.

I think I may have found a widget that solves your problem. Download "Favorites Widget - Call & Text From The Widget" and add the favorite people in your contacts list.

The widget it creates will now give you the layer of security you were looking for. While it won't require a passcode, one needs to tap the favorite on the widget which opens a slide-out menu with options like dial, text, Facetime, etc. The odds that a baby would pick up your phone, find the widgets panel, tap a favorite, and then tap again are infinitesimally small.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/favorites-widget-call-text/id909578530?mt=8

It's free to try, in-app $1.99 for full functionality, but worth every penny. I use it now to replace the standard favorites widget as this one is far better. Instead of just speed dialing it also allows texting from your last conversation, Facetime video, Facetime audio, etc.

Hope this helps.

BJ