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r0k

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Thanks for the link! I was going to opt for the stainless 38mm watch with the milanese loop until I saw that the version with links allows tool-free changing of links. I think I'll have to wait a little longer to decide.

I do like lighter watches but I'd find myself hard pressed to shell out $350+ for a hunk of aluminum with a plastic or rubber band on my wrist. At that price, I'd be able to get a very nice midrange citizen eco drive that never ever ever needs batteries or needs to be charged.
 

Dave245

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Won't the leather band look strange with the aluminum watch since the band connector is polished stainless steel?

That may be true, but I won't know until I've seen it in person at the Apple Store. However if I get the stainless steel Apple Watch I will want to get a sport band for the gym.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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Thanks for the link! I was going to opt for the stainless 38mm watch with the milanese loop until I saw that the version with links allows tool-free changing of links. I think I'll have to wait a little longer to decide.

I do like lighter watches but I'd find myself hard pressed to shell out $350+ for a hunk of aluminum with a plastic or rubber band on my wrist. At that price, I'd be able to get a very nice midrange citizen eco drive that never ever ever needs batteries or needs to be charged.

Ok, well, look at it this way.

This is THE most important thing about any purchase.....
It's not how much something costs. It's what the cost of ownership is to you.

If you buy an Apple watch for $349, then 12 month later you can offload it onto someone else for $249, which may be a reasonable expectation.

It's cost you $2 a week to own and enjoy version 1 for a whole year.

What you can sell anything for after you have finished with it is THE key point. Not how expensive it is to buy. :)
 

Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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Oh, and your query about the straps.
Yes, it is a possibility Apple do the dumb over controlling thing and say with this watch you HAVE to have one of these 4 strap we, the Apple Masters have decided you must have.
That is an unfortunate possibility.

I honestly don't thing Apple are dumb enough to do that, as it would cause backlash too much.

I don't get what's so difficult to understand. Apple has curated 3 collections. Within those collections there are models. There are 18 models in the stainless steel collection. There are 10 models in the sport collection. And there are 5 models in the edition collection. It's all laid out on Apple's website. To me that says with 99.9% certainty those are the watches that will be available for sale online and in stores. Obviously once you buy the Watch Apple has no control over what bands you attach to it. But of course they're going to curate the collection into a fairly manageable number of SKUs.

Yes in a way the "Apple masters" have decided what people can have. You want a purple, yellow or orange rubber strap? Touch luck as the "Apple masters" decided to go with blue, green and salmon. You want a space black watch with milanese loop or black leather strap? Too bad as the "Apple masters" didn't make a space black milanese loop strap and the black leather strap has a stainless steel connector. You want a champagne gold sport watch? Sorry out of luck as Apple doesn't offer one.

If this is a problem for you the I guess Watch just wasn't meant for you. :)

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That may be true, but I won't know until I've seen it in person at the Apple Store. However if I get the stainless steel Apple Watch I will want to get a sport band for the gym.

The stainless steel collection shows models with black and white sport bands. If you want one of the colored sport bands my guess is you'd have to buy it seperately.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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We shall see, we shall see.

No one will have any issue with seeing Apple's suggested straps for the watch body you have selected.

It will be a shame if you want say a stainless steel watch with strap X as you love strap X and think it will look good on you with the stainless steel watch.

But Apple have decided that the Stainless Steel watch only comes with Straps U, V, W, Y and Z

You have to choose one of those.

But you can, if you want, also buy a strap X for $150 if you wish, in addition.

If that's what you think will happen, it will be a shame. :(
 

Dave245

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The stainless steel collection shows models with black and white sport bands. If you want one of the colored sport bands my guess is you'd have to buy it seperately.

Yea I was referring to the blue sports band, altho i do also like the look of the White one. The plan is if I get the Stainless Steel version, to be able to buy the Stainless Steel Link Bracelet and the blue Sports band, but the blue one isn't shown with the stainless steel Watch.
 

Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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Yea I was referring to the blue sports band, altho i do also like the look of the White one. The plan is if I get the Stainless Steel version, to be able to buy the Stainless Steel Link Bracelet and the blue Sports band, but the blue one isn't shown with the stainless steel Watch.

In that situation my guess is you'd buy the SS watch with link bracelet and buy the blue sport band as an additional band.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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Yea I was referring to the blue sports band, altho i do also like the look of the White one. The plan is if I get the Stainless Steel version, to be able to buy the Stainless Steel Link Bracelet and the blue Sports band, but the blue one isn't shown with the stainless steel Watch.

It's simply not possible to show every body with every strap combination in any practical way, so I'd not get too upset about the combinations Apple are currently showing.

They are showing off their website with things they think look nice.
This does not have to mean anything more than just that, and should not mean anything related to when the watch comes up for sale.

Don't worry too much about it, just wait and see what they do.
They go on and on about customisation and personalisation and the millions of permutations, it would go against all of that to tell you what combination you can have.

Deep Breath..... Relax.... Wait and see... THEN decide :)
 

Rogifan

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Be prepared to be disappointed then. This is on Apple's website:

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It doesn't say "here's some combinations we like" it says "view all models in the collection". I don't think 18 is some arbitrary number. When Tim Cook says Watch was "curated" into 3 collections he means exactly that. People inside Apple (designers, sales, marketing etc.) decided what watches would be in each collection. My guess is that was based on what combinations they thought looked best together and which ones they thought would be most popular. Those are the watches that will be featured in store and online. Curating the collection allows for a much more manageable number of SKUs.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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Be prepared to be disappointed then. This is on Apple's website:

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It doesn't say "here's some combinations we like" it says "view all models in the collection". I don't think 18 is some arbitrary number. When Tim Cook says Watch was "curated" into 3 collections he means exactly that. People inside Apple (designers, sales, marketing etc.) decided what watches would be in each collection. My guess is that was based on what combinations they thought looked best together and which ones they thought would be most popular. Those are the watches that will be featured in store and online. Curating the collection allows for a much more manageable number of SKUs.

Well, NOT curating anything allows for things to be far easier for customers and for Apple.
No one at Apple has to second guess what customers will want and how many of what type to put together.
They don't need to worry about how many of each type they need to get ready and worry about perhaps they have too many of one type and not enough of another type.

All they need to do it package the body and the watch separately, and let the customer decide at time of order what combination they want, and apple sends you what you want.

Simple, Easy, Everyone Happy. Easy for Apple, Best for customers.

Given all the plus points, I guess, Knowing Apple they will do the exact opposite.

You are a funny guy "Rogifan" you are the only person here who constantly argues AGAINST people having choice and keeps saying how he hopes Apple does not give customers free choice.

that's a very odd point of view to have if I may say so.

You should be PRO customer. Not Anti Customer as you seem to be.

"I demand less choice for me and others" would be a good placard for you to hold I feel :)

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leenak

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Steel weighs almost 3x what aluminum weights per volume (specific gravity: Aluminum 2.6 vs Stainless Steel 7.8). The batt will be the 2ed heaviest part, then the screen and the S chip. So it's easy to guess the SS will weight close to or over 2x what the Sport does.

EDIT: Just for reference 18K gold is about 16.5. Making the Edition up to 6x heaver than the Sport.

Yeah I'll have to see the gram weights to figure if I go with the sport or stainless steel but I just meant it will still be a smallish number I hope even in stainless steel.
 

jaymc

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Nov 10, 2012
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That may be true, but I won't know until I've seen it in person at the Apple Store. However if I get the stainless steel Apple Watch I will want to get a sport band for the gym.

From the article all watch types will include either an "out-of-box" white or black Sport band.

"Despite its name, the sport band is an out-of-the-box option among all three "collections," not just the Apple Watch Sport."
 

Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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This idea of choice is a false notion anyway. There is no Watch with a round face so Apple eliminated that choice right up front. They also made decisions on materials, styles and colors. That eliminates even more choice. The reason people like Tim Cook, Jony Ive, Angela Ahrendts etc. get paid the big bucks is to sometimes make choices on our behalf. And we hope most of the choices they make are ones that will resonate positively with consumers.

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From the article all watch types will include either an "out-of-box" white or black Sport band.

"Despite its name, the sport band is an out-of-the-box option among all three "collections," not just the Apple Watch Sport."

Yes, all three collections include the black or white sport band amongst all the other band options.
 

Dave245

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From the article all watch types will include either an "out-of-box" white or black Sport band.

"Despite its name, the sport band is an out-of-the-box option among all three "collections," not just the Apple Watch Sport."

And all other bands can be added as extras? I hope that's the case. Comes with the sport band and be able to add the Stainless Steel Link Bracelet.
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
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And all other bands can be added as extras? I hope that's the case. Comes with the sport band and be able to add the Stainless Steel Link Bracelet.

Yes SS collection shows black and white sport bands so those will most likely be the enery level watch for that collection.
 

lewisd25

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Jul 6, 2007
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Now if any 3rd party can easily figure out how to make a band that connects to the Watch Apple may not be able prevent those third parties from selling cheap knockoff bands.

Don't assume that all 3rd party bands would be "cheap knock-offs". There will be a huge market for alternative bands for Apple Watch: high quality crocodile/alligator leather, etc. In fact, once someone brings a universal band adapter to market, you can buy any band you want, even ones made buy other high end swiss watch makers...
 

Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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Don't assume that all 3rd party bands would be "cheap knock-offs". There will be a huge market for alternative bands for Apple Watch: high quality crocodile/alligator leather, etc. In fact, once someone brings a universal band adapter to market, you can buy any band you want, even ones made buy other high end swiss watch makers...

I'm not assuming all 3rd party bands will be cheap knockoffs. But those will probably be first to market (especially in China) because they won't care about any sort of protocol or paying fees to Apple. They just know there's a market for people who want stuff as cheap as possible (like we see with knockoff lightning cables).
 

2298754

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Jun 21, 2010
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I want the larger aluminum face, but with the modern leather strap for everyday, and then the plastic/rubber strap for when I'm at the gym. I wonder if that's possible.
 

ARH1956

macrumors 6502
Sep 12, 2007
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Well, as I say.

All I hope is that Apple don't say:

Ok, now you have selected your chosen watch body, you can now pick from one of the following 4 strap styles we have carefully selected that go with this body.

Of course you will be able to buy additional straps, we all know that.

The question is will you be forced into having to have a strap you don't want also?

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Well, I think you will have to agree, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

To me, this is vile and disgusting:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Cadillac_Eldorado_2.JPG

And I love this:
http://airows.com/wp-content/upload...entador-lp720-4-50-anniversario-edition-4.jpg

But there will be many who think the exact opposite.

Once you move into fashion and design then there is no right or wrong.
I cannot prove something is ugly or beautiful.
I can prove a GPU produces a smoother framerate so it's better.
They both seem large for the purpose. I can't imagine wearing either of those on my wrist, even if the Watch is perfectly integrated.
 

Lloydbm41

Suspended
Oct 17, 2013
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I hope Apple makes that difficult (outside of China) and I certainly hope any 3rd party bands that Apple decides to sell in store or online will be highly curated.

Seriously? They are watch bands. I'm guessing you also believe that  should curate all the iPhone cases too and dictate what color and style you are allowed to use based on the phones color? :rolleyes:
 

JoEw

macrumors 68000
Nov 29, 2009
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Well, NOT curating anything allows for things to be far easier for customers and for Apple.
No one at Apple has to second guess what customers will want and how many of what type to put together.
They don't need to worry about how many of each type they need to get ready and worry about perhaps they have too many of one type and not enough of another type.

All they need to do it package the body and the watch separately, and let the customer decide at time of order what combination they want, and apple sends you what you want.

Simple, Easy, Everyone Happy. Easy for Apple, Best for customers.

Given all the plus points, I guess, Knowing Apple they will do the exact opposite.

You are a funny guy "Rogifan" you are the only person here who constantly argues AGAINST people having choice and keeps saying how he hopes Apple does not give customers free choice.

that's a very odd point of view to have if I may say so.

You should be PRO customer. Not Anti Customer as you seem to be.

"I demand less choice for me and others" would be a good placard for you to hold I feel :)

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What happens when someone walks into an Apple store and they are sold out of the particular band/watch combo? "Sorry we have the watch, but not the band you want... sucks."

Be realistic, this won't happen from a logistical standpoint it would be crazy trying to manage inventory at this level.

Also Apple would never sell a product that isn't usable out of the box on it's own.

Expect the many choices Apple has lined up, and I am sure you will be able to buy additional bands as you see fit.
 

Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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Seriously? They are watch bands. I'm guessing you also believe that  should curate all the iPhone cases too and dictate what color and style you are allowed to use based on the phones color? :rolleyes:

Um, yes Apple does curate what's in their stores now. I hope they do that with Watch accessories too. Note I'm talking specifically about Apple online and physical stores. It's not like someone won't be able to Google Watch bands and get everything under the sun.

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What happens when someone walks into an Apple store and they are sold out of the particular band/watch combo? "Sorry we have the watch, but not the band you want... sucks."

Be realistic, this won't happen from a logistical standpoint it would be crazy trying to manage inventory at this level.

Also Apple would never sell a product that isn't usable out of the box on it's own.

Expect the many choices Apple has lined up, and I am sure you will be able to buy additional bands as you see fit.

Exactly. I don't get what's so difficult to understand. Apple is showing models in each collection for a reason. That's what will be sold in stores and online and if you want something different you're free buy additional band(s). Not complicated.
 

Piggie

macrumors G3
Feb 23, 2010
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I'm really thinking some people are contradicting themselves here.

Yes, you will be able to choose any colour band of course.
No don;'t be silly, Apple won't do that, they will be pre-selected.

You can't have it both ways!

So, now you are saying this....

I'll go into to get my sports watch with Black band, and they tell me they only have them with White, Red and Green bands.
As, you are saying they are pre-packed this way by Apple.

BUT.... They do have separate black bands I can buy as an additional accessory.

So my only option is to buy a sporst watch with the pre-packaged colour band I don't want and buy the colour band I do want as an optional extra?

So that's how you see it... yes?

If no, explain how else please. As you are saying that you hope and apple should pre-package them before going to retail.
 
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