Well, the difference in amount of space that is available or viewable at one time (screen size essentially), and thus difference is use cases, would likely play a role in all of that. As I mentioned, they could make it work (like various other apps have, or with some other options), but they went for that design that focuses on timed events during a given day. Perhaps it's a bug or a feature they haven't implemented for whatever reason, but there can be rationale there (even if one that doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone) for it to be an actual design decision.
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All-day events are not "events" according to Apple. No wonder some people hate iPhone.
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Not really a good comparison since a computer has much more vertical space to work with.
You should worry about things that matter in life. Apple does not care about you one bit. They only want your wallet.
my ipad in portrait mode has more vertical resolution than anything short of a 5k imac, but they didn't put it there either.
i'd still say all day is time-sensitive... all day! and they also managed to fit it into the 1/3rd screen-height events list in the calendar app itself.
anyway, you guys are correct, the debate at this point is academic whether it was intentional or a mistake. i just hope they address it, as i hate having to go to 3rd party solutions when the built in option is 95% of the way there.
The resolution is one thing, but usable space and implementation/usability--Notification Center covering the scree in iOS vs being on the side in OS X--are also aspects that likely play a role.my ipad in portrait mode has more vertical resolution than anything short of a 5k imac, but they didn't put it there either.
i'd still say all day is time-sensitive... all day! and they also managed to fit it into the 1/3rd screen-height events list in the calendar app itself.
anyway, you guys are correct, the debate at this point is academic whether it was intentional or a mistake. i just hope they address it, as i hate having to go to 3rd party solutions when the built in option is 95% of the way there.
But yes ultimately it's about them doing it or not doing it. Give that it's been like this for some time already, it's not clear if or when they might change it. At least there are alternatives, which is something.
which ipad? wasn't on mine... but come to think of it, i might not have my work account set up on there, which is where my all day events tend to crop up.
if anything that does lend credence to others' idea that its a limited space decision. however i still think its a terrible decision, and you could shorten the hourly view to just the next 2-3 hours and show all day events above that.
iPad Air 2. When I first read this it did occur to me that I hadn't been seeing all my events in notification centre but that I defiantly had seen some all day events span the section at some point, so I did a test and got the same result as the OP on my iPhone but the same event was fine on the iPad. Seems like a silly outstanding bug to me. It should just list the event at the top as an "all day" instead of spanning all the hours of the day.
They have you hook line and sinker. I can't imagine how you handle real life getting so jacked up over your phone.
My friend had pre-ordered the iPhone 6+ when it was first out. However, it took longer for his Plus to arrive, but his wife's iPhone 6 arrived sooner. He's always had android phones but he thought he'd give the iPhone a chance.
Anyway... They moved just before that and when he tried out his wife's iPhone 6, he opened weather.app and it was showing the weather for where he used to live and couldn't find a way to add a new location. He gave up and assumed that the weather app was stupid and inaccurate for showing the weather for a town he was nowhere near. He got so frustrated about it that he immediately canceled his preorder and ordered the Samsung galaxy note 5.
Come to find out, the wifi router her iPhone was connecting to hadn't realized it moved and was still reporting the old town and the weather app on his brand new galaxy note 5 showed the SAME location in weather when connected to his wifi.
He made a big deal out of nothing and swore off ever getting a piece of crap Apple again. I even went and showed him how to add a custom location, but he made up some stupid excuse that safari didn't scroll fast enough. He wanted to be able to do a small flick and have the page wiz by at lightning speeds for some reason. I've never really felt the need to scroll that fast, but that's what he was used to and hated the iPhone for scrolling so slowly.
Anyway... They moved just before that and when he tried out his wife's iPhone 6, he opened weather.app and it was showing the weather for where he used to live and couldn't find a way to add a new location. He gave up and assumed that the weather app was stupid and inaccurate for showing the weather for a town he was nowhere near. He got so frustrated about it that he immediately canceled his preorder and ordered the Samsung galaxy note 5.
Come to find out, the wifi router her iPhone was connecting to hadn't realized it moved and was still reporting the old town and the weather app on his brand new galaxy note 5 showed the SAME location in weather when connected to his wifi.
He made a big deal out of nothing and swore off ever getting a piece of crap Apple again. I even went and showed him how to add a custom location, but he made up some stupid excuse that safari didn't scroll fast enough. He wanted to be able to do a small flick and have the page wiz by at lightning speeds for some reason. I've never really felt the need to scroll that fast, but that's what he was used to and hated the iPhone for scrolling so slowly.
Totally agree that it's probably an unintentional omission, but still not great that it hasn't been fixed yet. I got used to having it on my Mac's Today view and have missed some all day events (mostly birthdays and the like) on days when I've been away from my computer and didn't yet realize the functionality that was present on one device was missing on the other. Apple devices are generally so in sync with one another that you just don't think to check these things in advance. At the very least, there should be a "show all day events in Today view" toggle in Settings to turn it on for those of us who need it.
I think we should all just keep submitting feedback on this (if you haven't already!) through the iOS Feedback app for those of us on the beta and http://www.apple.com/feedback/ for those of us who aren't.
I think we should all just keep submitting feedback on this (if you haven't already!) through the iOS Feedback app for those of us on the beta and http://www.apple.com/feedback/ for those of us who aren't.
The calendar widget in the notification centre is there to remind you of upcoming things, that's why it only shows the appointments for today. It's rather silly to check on an all day event in the middle of the event. Getting confirmation that the event you're in is still going is like pinching yourself to see if you are awake. The only problem is that this isn't consistent across the platform. The Mac will show the all day event. Maybe we are asking the wrong question and should we be asking why OS X is showing the all day event.
Since the stuff in the notification centre is there mostly to give you an idea where things are and where they are moving I much rather have a widget that shows me the calendar for today AND the rest of the week. The default widget doesn't do this but luckily nearly every 3rd party calendar app does. Which goes for other calendaring features too btw so I strongly suggest using a 3rd party calendaring app on iOS.
Since the stuff in the notification centre is there mostly to give you an idea where things are and where they are moving I much rather have a widget that shows me the calendar for today AND the rest of the week. The default widget doesn't do this but luckily nearly every 3rd party calendar app does. Which goes for other calendaring features too btw so I strongly suggest using a 3rd party calendaring app on iOS.
You sound like someone not belonging to this forum due to no interest in actually reading replies. What's the use in opening a topic here if you have no intent to read the replies?! Nor do you seem to be understanding that Apple never gave a reason for this behaviour and thus nobody knows the exact reason. All we do is guess and look for possible solutions in the mean time. Judging by the tone in your reply it seems that you have no interest in finding a solution. The following is targeted to anyone that does want to find a solution:
Pocket Informant does the same thing on the iPhone 6 yet it shows the all day event on the iPad Air 2. Their widget for the current version is a trade off for the version coming with Pocket Informant 5. It does fix some bugs but apparently it also introduces this as a but or it may be an intended feature. The dev was very clear about this though!
Edit: no bug, just me being stupid. The moment I posted this I remembered that there were some settings for the widget. There you can enable or disable all day events and even past events.
Pocket Informant does the same thing on the iPhone 6 yet it shows the all day event on the iPad Air 2. Their widget for the current version is a trade off for the version coming with Pocket Informant 5. It does fix some bugs but apparently it also introduces this as a but or it may be an intended feature. The dev was very clear about this though!
Edit: no bug, just me being stupid. The moment I posted this I remembered that there were some settings for the widget. There you can enable or disable all day events and even past events.
It's likely why Apple might have designed it that way. It doesn't mean it's necessarily a good design or at least one that can't be better.
Even in the sense of upcoming events, it seems to have gotten worse lately where in the agenda/list view (vs day view) it's only showing a single upcoming next event rather than all the events for today like it used to.
I'm subscribed to this thread and read each and every one of the replies. I realize there are numerous third-party solutions. Unfortunately, I'm one of those people that refuse to use third-party apps instead of native ones despite any bugs, hence my frustration with Apple in this thread.
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It is nice that you have an overview of today but it doesn't help when you do planning on the go. Sometimes you just want to quickly scan what else you have going on for that week. The default calendaring widget in iOS doesn't allow you to do that but the many 3rd party apps do. The aforementioned Pocket Informant as well as Readdle's Calendars are able to do this.
There are some more things with Calendar and Reminders that need fixing. When it comes to planning it is rather useful when you have an overview that contains both events and todos. That way you quickly see when things are busy and where you still have some spots.
@C DM: yep, never said it was a good approach. I have been using a 3rd party app for Calendar and Reminders since day 1.
@sniffies: then start reading my reply, especially the last sentence and this reply. Do I look like someone who's happy with the current situation? Either Apple allows us to make a non-Apple app the default or they improve their own apps. Until then the only thing you can do when you miss features is move to another app and deal with the fact that iOS will occasionally still bug you with the default app. In a lot of cases this is just far less annoying than sticking with the default app.
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I'm more or less of a similar mindset, or at least used to be more so. But having found some nice light alternatives that do more of what I want I switched over to those. I still want Apple to make their implementation better, but given that it's impossible to know if or when that might happen (or if they will implement what I'd actually want and not something similar or just partial), I figured moving on for some of these things seems reasonable for the time being.
Yet you still fail to understand Apple makes the features for what the MAJORITY of the users want, not your personal preferences. That's why 3rd party apps exist. If you don't want to use them then that's your prerogative, but Apple may never change its ways. So complaining about it makes no sense.
As stated, the widget is to see upcoming events, not backwards. An all day events by it's nature is occurring once the clock strikes 12:01am and lasts until 11:59pm. It's not common sense to be checking if you have an all day event at 8am when you wake up; it's already looking "backwards" to an event already in progress which the widget doesnt do for any events. If you want want it to show on the widget then set the event time from 8am (or whatever time) to midnight, not as an all day event. Simple answer really.
If it doesn't make logical sense Apple isn't likely to change it. Again, plenty of 3rd party stand-alone widgets you can use that show all-day events and still use the stock calendar app if that's what you desire- EventsWidget being one pointed out on the first page and it's free.
If I don't want to use them, then that's my "prerogative/entitlement/right/privilege". None of those four words sounds correct. "Choice" is the right word in that sentence.
There's a reason why it's called "Today View". An all-day event is still today even if I wake up at 2PM, therefore it has to show in "Today View", therefore it's a bug, therefore your point is invalid.
Have a nice day.
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