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Calaveras

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I’m considering getting rid of my Intel Macs and just sticking with my M1 Macs, just for the sake of simplicity. It seems like there would be no issues for me, but I wonder if there are things I haven’t considered yet.

Has anyone here made a clean break and later regretted not keeping an Intel Mac around for specific reasons?
none of my old Steam games work on Monterey.
One plugin suite is incompatible with current Logic Pro on Monterey.
Other than that it's been great.
Even have a little LAMP stack set up. Though I had to change the shell back to Bash because Zsh is lame.
 

Kierkegaarden

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Thanks for all of the comments. Judging by some of them, I should clarify my question — it isn’t a decision between Intel and AS — it is should I even keep the Intel machines around when I am invested in AS moving forward. Software compatibility hasn’t been an issue for me, so far.

I have four Intel Macs and two AS Macs. Maybe I will just convert a room to a computer museum.
 

fs454

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Not sure if any "serious" gamer is using an Intel Mac. Your dollar is much better spent on a PC for gaming than it is an any Mac.

I was disappointed to loose boot camp going to my M1 Max, but I hated just about everything else about my intel 16" enough that it's okay. It was fun to play Halo on the move and only carry one laptop.

Unfortunately with Halo Infinite coming and before M1 Pro and M1 Max came out, I got fed up enough with my 16" i9 that I bought a Lenovo Legion 7 equipped with a 16GB RTX 3080 Mobile GPU for a combination of video editing and gaming on the move. Couldn't resist the M1 Max 14" when it came out (and ultimately I can't stand windows for video) so now I carry the best of the best Windows hardware for gaming and the best of the best Apple hardware for work. It's a lot of money in laptops but hey, yolo.
 

fs454

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Thanks for all of the comments. Judging by some of them, I should clarify my question — it isn’t a decision between Intel and AS — it is should I even keep the Intel machines around when I am invested in AS moving forward. Software compatibility hasn’t been an issue for me, so far.

I have four Intel Macs and two AS Macs. Maybe I will just convert a room to a computer museum.

The transition should be seamless for all intents and purposes. You likely would be able to keep using the mix of machines in harmony until the intel machines age out or you decide to replace them down the road. I personally sold my Intel Macs as fast as I could once I realized how much better the overall experience is with the M1 Max. Browsing the web with a million tabs open, multiple types of browser open with heavy prototyping GUIs like Proto.io open, Premiere Pro and Photoshop sitting open in the background and being accessed occasionally and a litany of random other apps open and the laptop runs cool and consumes almost no wattage unless I'm actively scrubbing a timeline or exporting in Premiere. The Intel machine (it was a 16" 2019 core i9) would be permanent 6000rpm fans and too hot to touch without any activity in the pro apps.
 

Kierkegaarden

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The transition should be seamless for all intents and purposes. You likely would be able to keep using the mix of machines in harmony until the intel machines age out or you decide to replace them down the road. I personally sold my Intel Macs as fast as I could once I realized how much better the overall experience is with the M1 Max. Browsing the web with a million tabs open, multiple types of browser open with heavy prototyping GUIs like Proto.io open, Premiere Pro and Photoshop sitting open in the background and being accessed occasionally and a litany of random other apps open and the laptop runs cool and consumes almost no wattage unless I'm actively scrubbing a timeline or exporting in Premiere. The Intel machine (it was a 16" 2019 core i9) would be permanent 6000rpm fans and too hot to touch without any activity in the pro apps.
My M1 Air and M1 Pro MBP run everything I need to use, so far. I’m probably just kidding myself that I will ever need my old Intels for anything that I can’t get now. Actually, maybe it has more to do with nostalgia.

Our use cases seem similar, and it sounds like you haven’t run into any major compatibility issues either. It will be nice to clear out some of these old computers.
 

MrGunnyPT

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I sold my i9 16", I own a M1 Air and a 14" MBP M1 Pro, I don't need Windows running on my machine because I use a VDI for work regardless.
 
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wonderings

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The 2020 27" iMacs are available with the 5700XT GPU with 16GB of VRAM which is more than the PC version of that card.
Googling it looks like that card is compared to a 2070, but does not support ray tracing. Downside as well to an iMac is you are stuck with that GPU. That is an expensive gaming computer that you can not replace the CPU, GPU, PSU or anything else in besides the RAM yourself. Personally I find Macs way to limiting for gaming, that GPU is fine I am sure if it is comparable to a 2070, but again you are stuck with it.
 

benwiggy

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I have four Intel Macs and two AS Macs. Maybe I will just convert a room to a computer museum.
It's a fine line between 'museum' and 'junkyard'.

Regardless of the architecture, do you need six Macs? If not, sell them on eBay for some cash.

I have one desktop and one laptop. Currently, the desktop is a 6-core intel Mini with 32Gb RAM and lots of external disks; the laptop is a new 16" M1 Pro. I tend to buy according to need, usually replacing every 3 - 6 years (as you can see in my sig).
 

jinnyman

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I will probably keep my iMac 2020 until it dies out. But I see no reason why AS only environment poses any problem (unless you still require Windows).
 

NewUsername

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I’m considering getting rid of my Intel Macs and just sticking with my M1 Macs, just for the sake of simplicity. It seems like there would be no issues for me, but I wonder if there are things I haven’t considered yet.

Has anyone here made a clean break and later regretted not keeping an Intel Mac around for specific reasons?
I think at this stage, you can make the switch without much issue, unless you use a lot of legacy software (for example you have Mojave on an external SSD to run 32-bit apps, etc.)

The big exception is if you need Boot Camp. If you need it, you’ll also need to get a new Windows computer, which is probably overkill.

All in all, though, I wouldn’t upgrade earlier just for Apple Silicon, unless the couple of extra features in Monterey or the ability to run iOS apps is really important to you. Just upgrade when your current Intel Mac doesn’t fit your needs anymore. And if you do upgrade, I would upgrade right after new models are introduced. The MacBook Air and the Mac mini are already over one year old, so for those models it is probably better to wait for an update.
 

NewUsername

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It's a fine line between 'museum' and 'junkyard'.

Regardless of the architecture, do you need six Macs? If not, sell them on eBay for some cash.

I have one desktop and one laptop. Currently, the desktop is a 6-core intel Mini with 32Gb RAM and lots of external disks; the laptop is a new 16" M1 Pro. I tend to buy according to need, usually replacing every 3 - 6 years (as you can see in my sig).
For curiosity’s sake: do you still find it useful to have both a laptop and a desktop? I used to have the same setup in the Intel days because the iMacs were much more powerful than the MacBook Airs back then. But since 2020 I simply have an M1 MacBook Air which I connect at a dock with all the peripherals connected to it whenever I need to use it as a desktop.
 

benwiggy

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For curiosity’s sake: do you still find it useful to have both a laptop and a desktop?
If nothing else, my Mini runs Time Machine to a local disk, and the MBP is synced to the Mini using Resilio Sync, so that whatever I do on the Mini gets updated on the MBP.
Without the Mini, I'd need a NAS acting as a TM server, unless I was relying on having it plugged into a desk. I can use the laptop on the sofa, for instance.
 
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ADGrant

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Googling it looks like that card is compared to a 2070, but does not support ray tracing. Downside as well to an iMac is you are stuck with that GPU. That is an expensive gaming computer that you can not replace the CPU, GPU, PSU or anything else in besides the RAM yourself. Personally I find Macs way to limiting for gaming, that GPU is fine I am sure if it is comparable to a 2070, but again you are stuck with it.
It's a more powerful GPU than the AMD GPU in my Xbox One X. I am not going to buy a desktop PC just to play games. I don't have the room and the really high end GPUs are hard to find and expensive right now.
 

ADGrant

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Thanks for all of the comments. Judging by some of them, I should clarify my question — it isn’t a decision between Intel and AS — it is should I even keep the Intel machines around when I am invested in AS moving forward. Software compatibility hasn’t been an issue for me, so far.

I have four Intel Macs and two AS Macs. Maybe I will just convert a room to a computer museum.
You certainly don't need four Intel Macs. How old are you Intel Macs, are they desktop or laptop.
 

ADGrant

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The transition should be seamless for all intents and purposes. You likely would be able to keep using the mix of machines in harmony until the intel machines age out or you decide to replace them down the road. I personally sold my Intel Macs as fast as I could once I realized how much better the overall experience is with the M1 Max. Browsing the web with a million tabs open, multiple types of browser open with heavy prototyping GUIs like Proto.io open, Premiere Pro and Photoshop sitting open in the background and being accessed occasionally and a litany of random other apps open and the laptop runs cool and consumes almost no wattage unless I'm actively scrubbing a timeline or exporting in Premiere. The Intel machine (it was a 16" 2019 core i9) would be permanent 6000rpm fans and too hot to touch without any activity in the pro apps.
I can do all that and more on my Intel Mac (I don't use the Adobe suite anymore though). My Intel Mac has 64gb of RAM which lets me keep a lot of stuff open at once. It's not a laptop of course.
 

wonderings

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It's a more powerful GPU than the AMD GPU in my Xbox One X. I am not going to buy a desktop PC just to play games. I don't have the room and the really high end GPUs are hard to find and expensive right now.
If it works for you great! Nothing against it and surprised they had a GPU that good in the iMac, generally they are behind. Comparing to a console is not all that accurate. The hardware in a console is all made to work together and will be better then just stand alone parts. Like Apple you can't compare Apple computers and phones to Windows or Android purely based on specs, Apple hardware is very efficient and works very well together giving you more for less in many cases.
 

ADGrant

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If it works for you great! Nothing against it and surprised they had a GPU that good in the iMac, generally they are behind. Comparing to a console is not all that accurate. The hardware in a console is all made to work together and will be better then just stand alone parts. Like Apple you can't compare Apple computers and phones to Windows or Android purely based on specs, Apple hardware is very efficient and works very well together giving you more for less in many cases.
Well the GPU in the Xbox One X is an AMD GPU like the GPU in the iMac and the Xbox runs a version of Windows and uses the same DirectX Apis used for Windows games. The CPUs aren't particularly comparable in performance but they both use the AMD derived x64 instruction set. So, if you run Windows in Bootcamp, the tech stack isn't that different.
 

rocketpig

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The performance I hear from the M1 chips is the only reason I would even contemplate a new Mac. Have not been impressed with Apples direction since Cook start running things, but the performance I hear coming out of these new CPU's sounds amazing. I make my living with Adobe CC so that has me considering and reevaluating my own future with Apple.
If you’re mobile, Apple Silicon is a massive step forward. I just went on vacation in Panama and brought my Air for light use to check up in my business for 30-60 minutes a day. I went an entire week without charging my machine and it had half its battery life remaining when I went home.

If you primarily use the Adobe suite, Apple Silicon is fantastic. I recommend upgrading without hesitation.
 

Calaveras

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For curiosity’s sake: do you still find it useful to have both a laptop and a desktop? I used to have the same setup in the Intel days because the iMacs were much more powerful than the MacBook Airs back then. But since 2020 I simply have an M1 MacBook Air which I connect at a dock with all the peripherals connected to it whenever I need to use it as a desktop.
Speaking for myself, I prefer to always have two computers. For a short period of time during the begining of the pandemic I was limited to a MBP and an Air.
I tend to use one to play music or watch videos on while I work on the other.
Or if I am doing something that requires a render or batch phase. Such as when I do time lapse photography, I'll start the job on the more powerful computer then switch to the weakling and work on my website or doing research.
I really missed it when I was kept away from my Mac Pro though.
It's nice to have a computer with more resources than you need.
 
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fs454

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I can do all that and more on my Intel Mac (I don't use the Adobe suite anymore though). My Intel Mac has 64gb of RAM which lets me keep a lot of stuff open at once. It's not a laptop of course.

It's not that I can't do it (I had 32GB of RAM which was plenty also), it's that the laptop gets extremely hot and loud by just even having Adobe stuff open, or a Safari tab that happens to need a little GPU power in addition to the i9 soaking the cooling setup. Even without the GPU enabled, browsing the web or even just connecting an external monitor would cause the laptop to run hot - the fan never, ever stopped running with an external display connected. The M1 Max so far has been able to drive 2x 4K external displays in addition to the built in one, with all that stuff open from my previous post and the notebook itself is barely even warm until I start actually editing in premiere or exporting. It's night and day for usability, and I've heard the fan only once in the past two months.
 

dmr727

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My transition has been seamless, although I already have a desktop AMD machine for some games and tinkering with CUDA. The only thing Rosetta hasn't been able to deal with is a Mac OS 9 emulator, but I bet I'll be able to get it working with some effort. Overall I've been impressed with the ease of the switch to M1.
 

arvinsim

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I was disappointed to loose boot camp going to my M1 Max, but I hated just about everything else about my intel 16" enough that it's okay. It was fun to play Halo on the move and only carry one laptop.

Unfortunately with Halo Infinite coming and before M1 Pro and M1 Max came out, I got fed up enough with my 16" i9 that I bought a Lenovo Legion 7 equipped with a 16GB RTX 3080 Mobile GPU for a combination of video editing and gaming on the move. Couldn't resist the M1 Max 14" when it came out (and ultimately I can't stand windows for video) so now I carry the best of the best Windows hardware for gaming and the best of the best Apple hardware for work. It's a lot of money in laptops but hey, yolo.
You should update your signature :)
 

lederermc

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I’m considering getting rid of my Intel Macs and just sticking with my M1 Macs, just for the sake of simplicity. It seems like there would be no issues for me, but I wonder if there are things I haven’t considered yet.

Has anyone here made a clean break and later regretted not keeping an Intel Mac around for specific reasons?
The only Intel app I run is "Beyond Compare" and it is just fine in Rosetta. I do have a problem with a python app that is probably related to other issues related to doing an update/upgrade.
 

StoneJack

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I’m considering getting rid of my Intel Macs and just sticking with my M1 Macs, just for the sake of simplicity. It seems like there would be no issues for me, but I wonder if there are things I haven’t considered yet.

Has anyone here made a clean break and later regretted not keeping an Intel Mac around for specific reasons?
I have MBA m1 I bought recently and also a desktop hackintosh, i9 10900, 32GB of RAM, 1TB m2 Samsung SSD and Radeon RX580. I use both and both got their share of usage, MBA is for mobile and desktop, well, for desk work. Software wise, they both got same software, but the desktop has Intel versions and M1 mostly M1 apps. There is no need for breakup from anything, but eventually Apple will in few years stop Intel development so all of that will happen naturally, no worries and you don't need to force anything.
 
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