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What you describe in your opening post is not a purchase. You are confused about the difference between purchase and rental / leasing (with the option to own).

when i sign an agreement to pay for something and after so many payments i stop paying & keep it.... that is not a lease.

AT&T does not offer a leasing program where you're able to just pay and pay and then turn it in....you sign an agreement to pay full retail over the course of a time frame
 
i don't have to turn it in. i can pay off the balance and keep it.... but I'm not paying interest so i don't see the benefit in that
Unless you live in a jurisdiction without sales tax, you’re paying a kind of interest each year that an outright purchaser pays only once.
 
What you have is a carrier lease agreement with the option to own, provided you make all the payments. If you want to upgrade, you have to have paid at least 50% of your lease to purchase agreement beforehand. You aren't actually purchasing your phones, from what you stated.
I'm responsible for the full retail price of the phone whether i upgrade or not
 
i don't have to turn it in. i can pay off the balance and keep it.... but I'm not paying interest so i don't see the benefit in that
If you don't have to turn it in and then pay off the balance, you are paying the same price as everyone else right?
If you do turn it in, then you leased it.
 
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when i sign an agreement to pay for something and after so many payments i stop paying & keep it.... that is not a lease.

AT&T does not offer a leasing program where you're able to just pay and pay and then turn it in....you sign an agreement to pay full retail over the course of a time frame
Again, your OP speaks of paying 12 monthly lease payments, turning the phone in, and upgrading to a new phone with a new lease agreement with the option to own at the end of 24 payments etc. You are leasing your phone, seeing how you turn it in.

You said....

last year i got the X 256 with $0 down and taxes charged next bill.
$56/month and in 10 months it's half paid off which makes upgrade eligibility...

i order the Xs Max 512 as an upgrade with $0 down and taxes charged to next bill...

so I've only "paid" for half of the X, $560, and a year from now I've only will have paid $720 for the Xs Max when it's time to upgrade again

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Even with your math off, you aren't purchasing your phone. You are leasing it and advocating the lease with this thread.
 
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If you don't have to turn it in and then pay off the balance, you are paying the same price as everyone else right?
If you do turn it in, then you leased it.

i turn it in as a down payment towards a new one. when you lease something...it's in Your agreement that it's to be turned back in after a certain amount of time/payments regardless.

i decide when/if i want do that....it's no different than with buying a car.
people often trade in their vehicles towards the purchase of a new one.
only difference is there's no interest with phones
 
The bottom line is some folks can afford and enjoy having a new phone every year. Be it buying it outright or lease it for a year. It’s a personal choice. I am loving having a new phone every year. My XS Max 512GB to be delivered next Friday
 
What you describe in your opening post is not a purchase. You are confused about the difference between purchase and rental / leasing (with the option to own).

Every year people call these programs leases. Apple iPhone upgrade program AT&T next, etc. they are effectively not a lease. It is a payment plan. It is 24 equal payments at 0% interest. If you so choose you can trade the phone in after 12 payments and are able to get out of the payments. You can sell and/or pay the remainder any time. You are not required to turn it in unless you want to upgrade.

Not a lease, it’s a purchase agreement with a guaranteed trade in value.
 
I'm responsible for the full retail price of the phone whether i upgrade or not
Can you explain the practical difference between what you do and a r
i turn it in as a down payment towards a new one. when you lease something...it's in Your agreement that it's to be turned back in after a certain amount of time/payments regardless.

i decide when/if i want do that....it's no different than with buying a car.
people often trade in their vehicles towards the purchase of a new one.
only difference is there's no interest with phones
It’s not a down payment because the residual value is used to wipe out what you still owe toward the purchase price. If anything, it’s a down payment of $0 because you don’t reduce to cost of your next phone as an actual down payment would.

It may be no interest, but if your sales tax is 6% you’re out 6% more relative to someone who buys outright.
 
In this case you do not own it, you lease it. I buy everything cash: house, car, phone, camera, food. I do not want to owe anything to anybody. And......one remark, there people that live in other than USA countries

how many people are ACTUALLY paying full retail for an iPhone?

last year i got the X 256 with $0 down and taxes charged next bill.
$56/month and in 10 months it's half paid off which makes upgrade eligibility...

i order the Xs Max 512 as an upgrade with $0 down and taxes charged to next bill...

so I've only "paid" for half of the X, $560, and a year from now I've only will have paid $720 for the Xs Max when it's time to upgrade again

I know everyone has different carriers with different upgrade options but realistically how many people are for real paying the entire price?

unless you are buying SIM FREE or you use prepaid carriers... there's not a reason you can't be upgrading yearly with little to no additional cost. if you are i feel like you're doing something wrong...
 
Again, your OP speaks of paying 12 monthly lease payments, turning the phone in, and upgrading to a new phone with a new lease agreement with the option to own at the end of 24 payments etc. You are leasing your phone, seeing how you turn it in.

You said....

last year i got the X 256 with $0 down and taxes charged next bill.
$56/month and in 10 months it's half paid off which makes upgrade eligibility...

i order the Xs Max 512 as an upgrade with $0 down and taxes charged to next bill...

so I've only "paid" for half of the X, $560, and a year from now I've only will have paid $720 for the Xs Max when it's time to upgrade again

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Even with your math off, you aren't purchasing your phone. You are leasing it and advocating the lease with this thread.


how many times....it's litterly NOT a lease.
a lease agreement requires you to turn back in whatever you borrowed after a certain amount of time/payments.

i do not HAVE to return my device it is mine to keep and continue paying off monthly or paying it off at once.

YES i do exchange it out yearly for an upgrade for value towards a new model...that does not make it a lease.

there ARE carriers out there who offer leasing programs such as Sprint's iPhone Forever program or T-mobiles JUMP programs but I don't have anything like that.

with the argument you're making you're saying anyone who uses value of a home or car to purchase another is just leasing and that's not what a lease is.
 
how many times....it's litterly NOT a lease.
a lease agreement requires you to turn back in whatever you borrowed after a certain amount of time/payments.

i do not HAVE to return my device it is mine to keep and continue paying off monthly or paying it off at once.

YES i do exchange it out yearly for an upgrade for value towards a new model...that does not make it a lease.
What’s the real world, practical difference (not label) of paying monthly for a term and then turning in the phone to offset the remaining balance, then doing the same thing again?
 
i don't have to turn it in. i can pay off the balance and keep it.... but I'm not paying interest so i don't see the benefit in that
That’s similar to a car lease plan where you pay monthly over a fixed term and have the option to pay a fee at the end to own the car. The same with the iPhone you don’t legally own the device until you commit to buying it via the final fee. You are essentially renting a phone and not taking up the option to buy it.

The iPhone upgrade program and carrier equivalents are just posh names for rental schemes.
 
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Every year people call these programs leases. Apple iPhone upgrade program AT&T next, etc. they are effectively not a lease. It is a payment plan. It is 24 equal payments at 0% interest. If you so choose you can trade the phone in after 12 payments and are able to get out of the payments. You can sell and/or pay the remainder any time. You are not required to turn it in unless you want to upgrade.

Not a lease, it’s a purchase agreement with a guaranteed trade in value.
From his OP, his lease to own agreement is 24 months. He has been paying 12 months and then turning the phone back in, in order to be able to upgrade under a new 24 month agreement. If he pays the 24 month payments, he will own the phone. He has been leasing under the title of a purchase agreement. Same thing with the Apple program. Most of the people are doing nothing more than leasing a phone every year. There are very few who fulfill the terms of the agreement whereby they become owner of the phone.
 
with the argument you're making you're saying anyone who uses value of a home or car to purchase another is just leasing and that's not what a lease is.
You don’t get the value of the phone to purchase another phone, though. The residual value of your old phone pays off the balance of your old phone. You get $0 towards your next purchase. And you get to pay 6%, or whatever your sales tax rate is, so you lose the time value of money argument, too.
 
Op you do realize you are paying the entirety of the price increase over two years (including the incremental increase year over year between the price of the new phone) yes? There is so much wrong with how you describe the program as it relates to personal finance that it is disturbing. That doesnt mean upgrading annually is a bad thing but the amount of people who have said that using the program is literally costless compared to just keeping the phone you have is alarming.
 
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Every year people call these programs leases. Apple iPhone upgrade program AT&T next, etc. they are effectively not a lease. It is a payment plan. It is 24 equal payments at 0% interest. If you so choose you can trade the phone in after 12 payments and are able to get out of the payments. You can sell and/or pay the remainder any time. You are not required to turn it in unless you want to upgrade.

Not a lease, it’s a purchase agreement with a guaranteed trade in value.

THANK YOU

...jesus lol
 
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Op you do realize you are paying the entirety of the price increase over two years (including the incremental increase year over year between the price of the new phone) yes? There is so much wrong with how you describe the program as it relates to personal finance that it is disturbing. That doesnt mean upgrading annually is a bad thing but the amount of people who have said that using the program is literally costless compared to just keeping the phone you have is alarming.

because i like the new model every year for one reason or another....this year i wanted it for the low radio bands...

me keeping the phone for 2-3yrs does nothing for me. it's old and the resale value is basically a joke.
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Which, again, is financially and practically indistinguishable from a lease under the scenario you’ve laid out. Except you get to pay sales tax every year for the privilege.

If it walks like a duck...

yes you are right and its a privilege that i prefer and that works for me. while similar to how a lease works...it's not a lease. that's all i am saying. I'm not lost on the fact that I'm using it in a same way. but it's at my convenience where I have a choice. a lease is up pre determined....and also has lots of rules and caveats....
 
because i like the new model every year for one reason or another....this year i wanted it for the low radio bands...

me keeping the phone for 2-3yrs does nothing for me. it's old and the resale value is basically a joke.
Resale is almost always more than half the full price which puts buying and selling outright a smarter choice if you want a new phone every year.
 
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