odedia said:
At 1.6 inches thick and 7.6 pounds, it's got plenty of room to dissipate heat. If you want the slim form factor like the MBP or PB, you need to come up with another way to get rid of the heat.
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Aluminum Alloy: What were they thinking?
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At 1.6 inches thick and 7.6 pounds, it's got plenty of room to dissipate heat. If you want the slim form factor like the MBP or PB, you need to come up with another way to get rid of the heat.
My power book is 1.5 years old, and it looks so much better than my friends PC laptops, Mine get used 100 times more than theirs too. PC age ugly REALLY fast
Being serious, that is a very good point. A few PCs, I must admit, do look slightly attractive, particularly those that try to replicate the minimalism of Apple computers. However, PCs do in fact seem to launch themselves into "yesterday's fashion" far quicker than Macs. And by far quicker, I mean a few weeks or days of use; as long as it is compared to the newer Macs, any PC I take a look at will quickly appear second-rate.munkees said:
WildCowboy said:
Then what about HP NC6xxx/8xxx series or thinkpad Txx series? They are 1-1.1" thick (or should i say thin) are approximately same weight if not lighter. They use magnesium roll cages + carbon fiber tops + tough pastics bellow and work fine. i see that you end up comparing a low end PC product (consumer versions) to high end apple products ... if you want a fair comparison try most of the business series of thinkpads and HP compaqs. THat i am sure will be very close than those cheap dells, HPs!
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I read somewhere that IBM used liquyid cooling in some of its thinkpads in the past... Those machines were very well made, and did not "age" or do any other silly things. Do mac users only care about aesthetics? Apple has some serious shortsightedness as far as their engineering. It seems they are more concerned with the thing being "pretty" than actually working well. (Ibook heat related logic board issues, older PB logic boards, I've even read about the latest iMacs prior to the Intels having issues.
I have owned one iBook (still do, but doesnt work... the logic board fried again). If the MBP are really so hot, I would not be surprised to see the logic board issue reappear... Or other issues... Heat and electronics cannot coexist.
Seriously folks, I have owned many PCs and of course know more people that own PCs than Macs, and no one has ever had a "logic board" failing due to soldering issues. EVER. Only on a Mac. Why? Any engineers here want to shed some light?
I read somewhere that IBM used liquyid cooling in some of its thinkpads in the past... Those machines were very well made, and did not "age" or do any other silly things. Do mac users only care about aesthetics? Apple has some serious shortsightedness as far as their engineering. It seems they are more concerned with the thing being "pretty" than actually working well. (Ibook heat related logic board issues, older PB logic boards, I've even read about the latest iMacs prior to the Intels having issues.
I have owned one iBook (still do, but doesnt work... the logic board fried again). If the MBP are really so hot, I would not be surprised to see the logic board issue reappear... Or other issues... Heat and electronics cannot coexist.
Seriously folks, I have owned many PCs and of course know more people that own PCs than Macs, and no one has ever had a "logic board" failing due to soldering issues. EVER. Only on a Mac. Why? Any engineers here want to shed some light?
ibooksux said:
The 4X Fast one-layer only DVD burner on the macbook pros is a good example for this. They had to use 4X because its the only model being thin enough to go into their design. Would it have been such a disaster to make the laptop 1.1inch thick instead of 1inch?
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ibooksux said:
Actually, I have on an old Dell Latitude. Dell's service (which was outsourced to Wang (I believe)) came out to replace it later in the week (service contract).
I've owned a number of laptops (usually for work), including Compaq, Dell (mostly), and IBM. The Dells were very cheaply made. Anyone who complains about aluminum should be glad that these aren't the late 90s/early 2000's Latitudes with cheap, flimsy plastic.
Not that I'm against Wintel laptops - I absolutely loved my previous laptop, which was a Thinkpad T41.
ibooksux said:
A set HP/compaqs also had aproblem with the power connector soldering! the heat produced at the pin melted the soldering and got the power connectors off the mother/logic board. IF your soldering cannot take the heat it melts and screws up the circuits in and arround the area.
I tend to agree 0.1" for cheaper better drives is worth it. As long as people are ready to shed loads of money to apple the concept of marginal cost /benefit will be out of apple's vocab!?
Maybe for now the fastest drive at those dimensions is 4x but shouldn't they continue to shrink? If the heat issues can be solved and the drive supplanted with a better faster one isn't it worth it in the end to have a solid lasting design?
After all, computers are not really like hammers. They're more like cars. It's something you use every day for both work and pleasure, in many cases. A good looking, practical, reliable design is worth some sacrifice in the area of cost. Of course, reliability here might be a little presumptuous considering some of the things that have been happening to the MBP.
After all, computers are not really like hammers. They're more like cars. It's something you use every day for both work and pleasure, in many cases. A good looking, practical, reliable design is worth some sacrifice in the area of cost. Of course, reliability here might be a little presumptuous considering some of the things that have been happening to the MBP.