Horrible choice to do bill paying on something so old. Very misinformed you are.
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MP 1,1-5,1 Am I wasting my time trying to run Sonoma on my Mac Pro 5,1?
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unfortunately i use oclp 1.4.3 on sonoma but ive seen many people have success with 1.5 and i dont know about vid acceleration, im just an audio guy..video is not a concern for me..
Re - restarts on 5,1 with OCLP and Monterey.
In all the faffing around I've done, I reckon the restart problem is OCLP related and if I encounter it I re-install OCLP and it can, go away, but anyway I found that shut down, then power on, is a better alternative if it's bugging me. But at this time Monterey has no restart issues for me.
In all the faffing around I've done, I reckon the restart problem is OCLP related and if I encounter it I re-install OCLP and it can, go away, but anyway I found that shut down, then power on, is a better alternative if it's bugging me. But at this time Monterey has no restart issues for me.
For me probably related to how the OC is blessed (someone suggested using Mojave to do the blessing). I'm not using OCLP. I don't tend to do many restarts anyway, I turn the machine on and use it for what is needing to be done then turn off. In that way never crashes, very reliable.
17 years on a mac, zero hack issues...oh, im highly mac educated...but i appreciate your concern.
Using something that old puts you at risk due to factors that you absolutely have no control over. It has nothing to do with how Mac savvy you are. Apparently not savvy enough to know this.17 years on a mac, zero hack issues...oh, im highly mac educated...but i appreciate your concern.
Apparently he must have read your posting history and the response was guided by that.
Today I tried to install Sonoma 14.5 with OCLP 1.5 on my Mac Pro 5,1. I have a Radeon RX 580 without bootscreen in slot 1, an Accelsior PCI NVME SSD in slot 3 and an USB 3.0 card in slot 4. I removed all the hard drives after erasing the nvme SSD and zapped the PRAM so that the computer booted from the usb stick with the installer. Everything seemed to go well and after an hour Sonoma started up. But after migrating from a backup disk it went wrong. The Mac got a bootloop and restarted always after 10-15 seconds. Even in the safe mode. I am desperate. I went back to Monterey. What can caused the bootloop? Perhaps a printer driver from Monterey that isn't compatible with Sonoma? Or was it because it didn't use the KDK Debug kit that I put on the USB stick? KDK for macOS 14.5 (23F79)
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Just my humble opinion: On a 4,1 flashed to 5,1.
I have Monterey working flawlessly on a 2Tb 2.5" SSD.
I backed this up, to a pair of HDDs in an external USB 3.0 RAID 0 .
I also have two Fusion drives (make them in Catalina via USB flash drive installer c/o Dos Dude) of 2.5 and 3Tb.
I installed Monterey on one Fusion Drive, from a USB flash drive installer c/o OCLP and then after I had done that, I used Migration assistant, to move all the files from the aforementioned Monterey back up, to the new Monterey Fusion Drive.
OK so now I have a working install of my Monterey set up, on a fusion drive.
Then I did the Sonoma, over the air upgrade. I found this once before, get a working Monterey install, then upgrade it OTA for Sonoma.
Success! but it is important to note that I use the 1st Monterey install as my daily driver and the Sonoma Fusion Drive is "experimental" and I expect it to give me conniptions at any time.
Also there are times in this process where the whole, thing looks like it's hung. I just turned the monitor off and went to bed, in the morning there was completion, of what ever process I thought had hung.
More fun than raping a Rhinoceros!
I have Monterey working flawlessly on a 2Tb 2.5" SSD.
I backed this up, to a pair of HDDs in an external USB 3.0 RAID 0 .
I also have two Fusion drives (make them in Catalina via USB flash drive installer c/o Dos Dude) of 2.5 and 3Tb.
I installed Monterey on one Fusion Drive, from a USB flash drive installer c/o OCLP and then after I had done that, I used Migration assistant, to move all the files from the aforementioned Monterey back up, to the new Monterey Fusion Drive.
OK so now I have a working install of my Monterey set up, on a fusion drive.
Then I did the Sonoma, over the air upgrade. I found this once before, get a working Monterey install, then upgrade it OTA for Sonoma.
Success! but it is important to note that I use the 1st Monterey install as my daily driver and the Sonoma Fusion Drive is "experimental" and I expect it to give me conniptions at any time.
Also there are times in this process where the whole, thing looks like it's hung. I just turned the monitor off and went to bed, in the morning there was completion, of what ever process I thought had hung.
More fun than raping a Rhinoceros!
Are things improved with Sonoma 14.5 on a Mac Pro5,1 with OCLP 1.5? Monterey runs very well but I doubt whether I'm going to upgrade. I have a Radeon RX580 without bootscreen. Kind regards and thanks for all your helpful advices.
I did the same. Sonoma was glitchy as hell & after 3 weeks of it finally gave in and upgraded to the stability of Monterey. For all its troubles, it had no new feature that made it worth putting up with. Going full Monty on my other machines today so they all match.
No progress with GPU drivers AVX/AVX2 problems.
Btw, AVX/AVX2 issues with apps that require it are insurmountable, OCLP can't do anything about it.
Thank you very much, tsialex. I'll stay on Monterey. Now I am convinced I shouldn't go to Sonoma or Ventura.
Of note: I've been using Monterey as my daily driver with FCPro, Logic etc. Then often booting into Sonoma on the Fusion Drive to replicate some FCPro work and Logic work.
The Sonoma Fusion Drive went belly up and I think I know why. I'd got into the habit of shut down then start, when ever a "restart" was called for.
Even when OCLP asked for "reboot?" and then Mac OS would offer "restart", I would got to /shutdown and then start from the power button.
The one time I forgot and just hit restart - belly up!
I think the way OCLP and Mac OS handle the blessing of EFI etc, is different or contingent on whether restart or shut down is used, but I don't know. Just an observation, it could be me and the way I hold my mouse.
I had to use a spare SSD to install Catalina, vis DosDude, and then update the OCLP on the Monterey SSD to restore normalcy.
Now Sequoia is out - mmmm....
In the latest OCLP 2.0.1 I installed I note these two lines:
Tsialex, if you see this post, can I ask your opinion about this?
I'm not qualified to understand, how this affects our ability to move beyond Monterey on the 5,1 for serious work.
Yes.
No.
Also, before this question is made again, there isn't a Xeon or i7 compatible with MacPro6,1 and have AVX2 support.
Installed Sonoma on my 5.1. classic MacPro using an extra SSD drive for testing only. So far, Sonoma worked fine, but I only installed software that does not require AVX or AVX 2.0. Luckily, so far I didn’t encounter freezing or kernel panics. I’m using 3rd party AI apps that are mostly web browser-based and ran okay in Sonoma. One of the silver linings is that my clients don’t require AVX and are shifting to AI open source applications outside of the Adobe family. Clients are putting more weight on skillsets and problem solvers.
With AVX-based apps like Premiere Pro 24 and Corel Paint, the features they offer are not yet urgently needed with the type of work I do. And other alternate AI apps are very competitive and offer nice features. Corel Paint Mac is part of the CorelDraw app, which is a Windows-based company. Midjourney or Firefly offers better ways to generate digital illustrations. I will just do some more testing in Sonoma and am still maintaining Big Sur and Catalina as my main work drives.
With AVX-based apps like Premiere Pro 24 and Corel Paint, the features they offer are not yet urgently needed with the type of work I do. And other alternate AI apps are very competitive and offer nice features. Corel Paint Mac is part of the CorelDraw app, which is a Windows-based company. Midjourney or Firefly offers better ways to generate digital illustrations. I will just do some more testing in Sonoma and am still maintaining Big Sur and Catalina as my main work drives.
I’d move from BigSur to Monterey right now while you can still download compatible (no-AVX) versions. Monterey runs better with a MacPro5,1 than BigSur, btw.