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Anyway, back on topic:

I think the M295X is going to throttle no matter how much thermal paste you put on there, but I'd LOVE to be proven wrong, of course. Until then, I have no intention of ripping apart my iMac. I have numerous adhesive-strip kits to put back the 2012/2013/2014 screens on, so that's not a concern.

I totally forgot to reply to this part the first time around, so here is try 2.

You are right about the M295X throttling no matter what. It has PowerTune and Boost enabled, so the clocks are going to dangle below the maximum advertised speeds depending on the type of workload (the more the workload is tuned for the chip, the more power the chip will sap, and the more often it will drop in clocks, for example). Nvidia advertises a minimum clock rate, so you'll see the clocks "boosting". The same thing, just two sides of the coin. A power budget of 100-150W is trifle for this chip, so PowerTune steps in to control the power used by the chip by changing clocks and so on.

Now that I see at least some people are reporting >100 Degrees Celsius on that chip, I think perhaps there is a bit of thermal limitations in some cases. It would be interesting to do a poll to see how hot people's chips are running when subjected to a fixed workload (say, OCCT or Furmark) on this forum.
 
I've been holding off for a nMP refresh, but the Retina iMac has caught my eye as a possible contender. Since everyone's orders are seemingly delayed 6 weeks, I won't make a decision until after the new year either way, but I've been specifically holding off for Anandtech's review to see where performance and heat/throttling come into play. I don't know what's taking them so long with it.
 
I'm really interested as to why you felt the 5K iMac had a noisier fan than the 2012. I have (now - had) both systems next to each other. Maxed out 2012 iMac 27" and my maxed out 5K iMac, and they both sound absolutely identical. If I had to bet (and I'm not a betting man), I'd wager the fan in each system is exactly the same. The quality of the sound is identical. It's possible the 5K iMac you had was not quite "right," (i.e. fan bearing slightly off etc). In any case, when idling - 1200rpm, the fan noise should be identical.

I can see The Verge's thumbnails pop in a second after scrolling through. I suspect it's something to do with the way Safari is doing its rendering. Chrome (the latest build 39 with 64bit support) does it VERY differently, and scrolling up and down The Verge's homepage in Chrome is a laggy, ghastly affair. With Safari it's buttery smooth.

I can't speak for going from a 5K base model to the high-end, but I'm really pleased with my high-end model. Really, really pleased so far (barring some WiFi issues in Yosemite).

I would not say "noisy" but I could hear it. In other words my 2012 was basically silent. I did not hear a fan or anything just with the unit sitting there. When I set up the 5K the first thing I noticed was a soft whirl. I leaned back behind the unit and it was the fan, softly going but audible. It was not kicking up or anything, but as I say, I am in a quiet room and it was audible..it surprised me because my 2012 had been so silent at it's "resting" state. It seemed the new unit with the new fan was cranked up a bit in its default state. So not annoying..just..interesting.

Verge scrolling is smooth, but when I scroll down to the next set of stories, all the icons are grey and then pop up. I would say over the course of 5 or seconds. That was annoying. It looked like dial up graphics coming in. I only picked The Verge site to test because it is one of the slowest loading pages I visit, and if I was going to see any speed increases (Safari rendering via new CPU/GPU) it might have been with that site.

I really wish I could test the high end...don't want to wait a month though..I am all for maxing out with the top processor and RAM whenever I purchase a new iMac...as my wife watching me box up the i5 said "I knew you would not be happy with anything less than the high end..."

She knows me all too well...

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That doesn't sound normal at all. The base model should be quiet unless it's pushed really hard. It's the upgraded one that heats up very quickly.

Did you check if there was any process hogging up the CPU? SMC reset? What speed was your fan running at?

If it's not a software issue then it might have been badly applied thermal paste or a faulty fan. It shouldn't sound more than the 2012 iMac.

I had literally just set it up..the first few minutes of having it on. It was only obvious because I had just moved the silent iMac off my desk..and the new one was not silent. Not a high speed..but a definite soft constant fan noise.

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The base I have is very quiet, I've yet to hear the fans spin up above normal idle even when watching Netflix, Hulu streams, etc. I have not pushed it CC filters, gaming, etc.

I have managed filled up ram ( 32GB ) with idea projects, MS Word, MS Excel, Sublime text, Cyberduck, CC Photoshop, many safari and chrome windows and watching netflix in safari on external 1080 monitor all open at the same time and nothing above idle fan noise, which I can barely hear in a quiet room.

My unit's observation.

Very interesting...maybe I should try another base unit...
 
"...as my wife watching me box up the i5 said "I knew you would not be happy with anything less than the high end..."

My wife knows me too, as I was packing my fully packed i7 4Ghz machine yesterday for today's pickup saying - I know you will not be happy if there is something with it. And she knows me well too - noise and hot GPU is the key- I'll wait for a revision. For anyone who like silence with previous 2012 iMac, this is not it. Hold it if you can.

Why I can play Diablo on full specs on my 2012 3,4 i7 for hours without any fan noise, when new 4,0 Gz i& starts its fans in 2 minutes. This is simply not acceptable. I'll wait for a silent machine.
 
"...as my wife watching me box up the i5 said "I knew you would not be happy with anything less than the high end..."

My wife knows me too, as I was packing my fully packed i7 4Ghz machine yesterday for today's pickup saying - I know you will not be happy if there is something with it. And she knows me well too - noise and hot GPU is the key- I'll wait for a revision. For anyone who like silence with previous 2012 iMac, this is not it. Hold it if you can.

Why I can play Diablo on full specs on my 2012 3,4 i7 for hours without any fan noise, when new 4,0 Gz i& starts its fans in 2 minutes. This is simply not acceptable. I'll wait for a silent machine.

Thanks for this excellent advice. I definitely should hold off. The 5K iMac is so enticing though...but I bet the next revision in 2015 will be great.

I also play Diablo on my 2012 i7 and it is quiet and runs great..I would be aggravated if the fan kicked in after 2 minutes as well!
 
Thanks for this excellent advice. I definitely should hold off. The 5K iMac is so enticing though...but I bet the next revision in 2015 will be great.

I also play Diablo on my 2012 i7 and it is quiet and runs great..I would be aggravated if the fan kicked in after 2 minutes as well!

Other then the screen, you will not see experience shockingly faster machine. I do regular FCP, Episode, HD editing, AE etc, and I'll gladly wait those 20more second in silence. The screen is the key but if you got 2012 iMac, the screen is very nice and the machine is tuned like good swiss watch. More I read these forums I don;t regret sending the machine back this morning. Not a second. Actually, its a relief, that I do not have to nick pick things while working on the new rIMac.

Good luck with your decision.
 
My base model Retina iMac is very quiet. The only time I noticed the fan was when I ran some benchmarks. Otherwise, under normal usage, very quiet.
 
Yeah I'd say the very same, the first time I heard the fan, I wasn't sure what noise it was, it was kind of a silent woosh sound. I certainly couldn't hear the sound when I was listening to my game but with the game silent, I could hear it. I was playing a game last night and had the game on mute and didn't hear my fan kick in at all while I was playing for over an hour.
 
Other then the screen, you will not see experience shockingly faster machine. I do regular FCP, Episode, HD editing, AE etc, and I'll gladly wait those 20more second in silence. The screen is the key but if you got 2012 iMac, the screen is very nice and the machine is tuned like good swiss watch. More I read these forums I don;t regret sending the machine back this morning. Not a second. Actually, its a relief, that I do not have to nick pick things while working on the new rIMac.

Good luck with your decision.

You are correct..I have the 2012 i7 32GM RAM with 2GB GPU and 750GB SSD..even now it still runs fantastic..so quiet and so fast. I had no interest in upgrading yet until I saw the 5K screen. But I am going to wait it out, see what happens next year with Retina V.2..like you I just want a nice machine that I can create on..not a iMac that runs hotter, noisier and has annoying quirks. Thanks for your advice..I am keeping what I have! :)
 
I have a 2012 i7 with 32GB RAM and 2GB Nvidia GPU. It has always worked great. With the iMac 5K Retina i7 and 4GB GPU being backordered for a month (if you complete the shopping cart on the Apple website, right before you confirm, it gives an actual date it will ship, and it's currently longer than 2-3 weeks) I decided..maybe the new base i5 unit will be better than my 2012 i7 unit. So I purchased the base model at my local Apple store.

Yes the screen looks great. But the first thing I noticed was the fan. I was not doing anything..just setting up and I could hear the fan. My older unit is very quite and so is my office..so I was surprised to hear the new iMac have an audible fan when it was essentially doing nothing.

When a new machine starts for the first time, it takes quite a while to run spotlight indexing on the drive. This, especially on a machine that uses fusion drive, would take a while. It's very CPU intensive and always gets the fans going.

I think after several hours it should have stopped. If it hadn't, there was an issue and it's good you returned it.
 
One thing for everyone to keep in mind here in terms of throttling.. If you don't "notice" it then it's because the game that is running is not dropping below 60FPS because the GPU has enough horsepower headroom to keep the game above 60FPS even while throttling. If the GPU hovers around a certain temp after a couple minutes that is above 100C then it's throttling, no if ands, or buts. If the GPU's clocks are dropping while doing intensive tasks, it's throttling.

Just wanted to point out the obvious. Throttling isn't noticed if the app running isn't demanding enough.

so.. if your game runs at 100FPS without throttling and with throttling the game dips to 70FPS, you may not notice it unless you have fraps running.

again, stating the obvious :p
 
I just ordered the 5k with the 295x, I really don't care about temps, If they made it like this maybe it means that is going to work even under big stress and there's always applecare in case the things go south no ?

Anyway, if it start to drop frames while gaming for throttling just reduce the load on the GPU limiting the maxframerate and lowering the detail configuration of the game and it should stop, this is not a gaming machine, even if it can handle it fairly, sometimes we need to accept some compromises.

my 2 cents.
 
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I just ordered the 5k with the 295x, I really don't care about temps, If they made it like this maybe it means that is going to work even under big stress and there's always applecare in case the things go south no ?

Anyway, if it start to drop frames while gaming for throttling just reduce the load on the GPU limiting the maxframerate and lowering the detail configuration of the game and it should stop, this is not a gaming machine, even if it can handle it fairly, sometimes we need to accept some compromises.

my 2 cents.

I say that for the free computers and smartphones given to me by my employer. Because hey,.....its free!

You're not supposed to say that about stuff that you pay a premium price for.
 
We are talking about asking to an all in one system to play games at 5K with a mobile GPU, it's not a walk on the park neither for a desktop so far. I'm just saying that maybe we are expecting too much for the type of machine and pioneering the 5k resolution.
 
my i7, 295x is quiet on osx in diablo 3 or league of legends or starcraft 2...unless i go alt tab. when you go alt tab the fan goes over 1800rpm for 2-3 min and then again silent at 1400rpm
 
Not necessarily true if you have a late 2012 iMac with the upgraded 680MX GPU, that is a very capable gaming machine, one which I've enjoyed for the past 2 years.

But it is always a compromise. The 2012 iMac does not have a 5k screen.
What Astleith is trying to say is no matter what you buy or how much you pay, there will be a compromise. I cannot think of a product (technology wise) that is the best in every possible benchmark you can apply.
 
But it is always a compromise. The 2012 iMac does not have a 5k screen.

What Astleith is trying to say is no matter what you buy or how much you pay, there will be a compromise. I cannot think of a product (technology wise) that is the best in every possible benchmark you can apply.


Ultimately all iMac chassis are a compromise for gaming and hard gpu work; they do not have the capability to host a desktop gpu. Even the Mac Pro 6,1 has downclocked twin AMD gpu from the full sized PCIe R9 as a compromise to accommodate them within the TDP capabilities of its chassis. It is by far the closest new Macintosh to be the best at everything- only the fact that Intel Xeon chipsets are always a generation behind (Haswell vs ivy bridge e) will mean it is only deficient on single core performance, but even that can be offset by twice the disk I/O performance as its ssd blade runs at PCIe 4x instead of 2x in the iMac and notebooks, twin GPU that can be crossfired in bootcamp, twice the maximum ram and twice the number of TB2 ports.

Though you can fit those same Mac Pro 6,1 blades in the old Mac Pro towers with a 30 dollar PCIe card and have a full sized r9 card - and shortly even a gtx 980 with a boot screen. Though that great option can never have thunderbolt so another compromise.

Ultimately it's the choice of the buyer to either accept the 5k has these limitations and live with it - or buy a Mac with far less in the quest for far greater GPU performance.
 
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How did you get Win 8.1 running on external USB3 SSD?

I tried Winclone, but I could not boot from the external drive. I mean I could boot, but I got after a time I got a message "windows can't start - must be repaired"

I already tried all the troubleshooting tips from winclone :-(

I accomplished this with much difficulty. The key I found was to get a fully functional Windows 8.1 installation on the internal drive of the iMac, then use Winclone to make a copy of this working windows partition. Follow Winclone's instructions to migrate the installation to your external USB 3.0 drive (they key to which is to make sure you have it set up as a GUID partition, but format it as FAT32).

Now here's the kicker: I could not get Windows to even install on my internal disk (nor boot from my external USB drive) if anything was plugged into any of the USB ports or thunderbolt ports on my computer. Once I unplugged all my hubs and thunderbolt docks, I could set up windows on my internal drive and successfully boot to my external Winclone-made USB 3.0 drive, but if anything else was plugged in (other than the single USB 3.0 drive on which Windows was installed, obviously), the computer would fail to boot from the USB 3.0 drive. Try this and see if it works for you.
 
I accomplished this with much difficulty. The key I found was to get a fully functional Windows 8.1 installation on the internal drive of the iMac, then use Winclone to make a copy of this working windows partition. Follow Winclone's instructions to migrate the installation to your external USB 3.0 drive (they key to which is to make sure you have it set up as a GUID partition, but format it as FAT32).

Now here's the kicker: I could not get Windows to even install on my internal disk (nor boot from my external USB drive) if anything was plugged into any of the USB ports or thunderbolt ports on my computer. Once I unplugged all my hubs and thunderbolt docks, I could set up windows on my internal drive and successfully boot to my external Winclone-made USB 3.0 drive, but if anything else was plugged in (other than the single USB 3.0 drive on which Windows was installed, obviously), the computer would fail to boot from the USB 3.0 drive. Try this and see if it works for you.

Did you try this method: http://bleeptobleep.blogspot.de/2013/02/mac-install-windows-7-or-8-on-external.html

This is what I used, worked well and from first try.
 
Did you try this method: http://bleeptobleep.blogspot.de/2013/02/mac-install-windows-7-or-8-on-external.html

This is what I used, worked well and from first try.

Yes, I followed these instructions to the letter and all steps were successful until I tried to boot from that drive at which time it failed to boot, I think because the procedure did not create the partition using the GUID method but the FAT method. For a Mac to boot a drive, it has to be in GUID format in order to be read. I'm surprised this procedure worked for you...
 
I totally forgot to reply to this part the first time around, so here is try 2.
Now that I see at least some people are reporting >100 Degrees Celsius on that chip, I think perhaps there is a bit of thermal limitations in some cases. It would be interesting to do a poll to see how hot people's chips are running when subjected to a fixed workload (say, OCCT or Furmark) on this forum.

I ran the Valley Benchmark for 24 hours non stop and it reported a consistent 105 degrees with the fan running of course.
http://unigine.com/products/valley/download/
It gets to reported 105 degrees within around 30 seconds of starting the benchmark in the Extreme HD setting.
 
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I ran the Valley Benchmark for 24 hours non stop and it reported a consistent 105 degrees with the fan running of course.
http://unigine.com/products/valley/download/
It gets to reported 105 degrees within around 30 seconds of starting the benchmark in the Extreme HD setting.

I personally prefer to use OCCT for pressure test / error checking purpose. I guess it can push your card to 105C in few seconds.
 
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