AMD Radeon VII

[koyoot]

Because that's what AMD are saying about it? Other sources are saying it'll be comparable to a 2060.

Which sources?

How can it be comparable to 2060, when Vega 64 is as fast, or faster than RTX 2060, but Vega 7 has 25% higher core clocks and TWICE the memory bandwidth?

Have you listened to Jenhsen Huang?

Because I bet when the tests are done properly the RTX will still rule. The 2080 that is.

What does it even mean? O_O


Reading this thread makes me laugh that I was called AMD fanboy.

Essentially, people using Nvidia GPUs, can be summed by this quote.

"They cry that AMD is not competitive, and they want AMD to be competitive. So they can buy Nvidia GPUs cheaper!"

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-shares-more-details-on-radeon-vii

Just for the record, Im not very excited about Radeon 7, because frankly - who cares? The price is steep, but that is actuaslly fine, will help AMD make money. Makes me just uninterested in it, just like I am not interested in anything that costs more than 350$.

 

[ssgbryan]

I care.

But then I don't use my Mac Pro for gaming - I create 3D Art. Having 16Gb video card and the AMD ProRender Engine means I should be more productive.

 

[koyoot]

I care.

But then I don't use my Mac Pro for gaming - I create 3D Art. Having 16Gb video card and the AMD ProRender Engine means I should be more productive.

Im talking from Consumer perspective .

For my personal use - Im not interested in anything that is beyond GTX/RTX2070. Currently I have "workstation" with ryzen 5 2600 and GTX 1070. Most likely will switch GPU to Founders Edition RTX2060, because it actually does improve my workflow.

For personal use I have fanless PC with Core i7 7700T, and GTX 1050 Ti KalmX.

Most likely Will switch to AM4 platform and Navi. Now I have to figure out how to cool them passively, but there are few options, thankfully.

 

[eksu]

Ryzen, GTX, fanless whatever, all have nothing to do with the Mac Pro.

Please take your discussion elsewhere. Maybe the 7,1 wish list thread.

 

[cube]

And twice as much memory.

Almost two years after the 1080 Ti was launched, and few people spend $60 on a PC game nowadays.

So, GTX-like price.

 

[Spoon!]

Almost two years after the 1080 Ti was launched, and few people spend $60 on a PC game nowadays.

So, GTX-like price.

Lots of people spend 60 dollars on PC games the same as people spend 60 dollars on console games. And yes, they’re priced similar to the competition. Exactly what point are you trying to make? Almost 2 years after the 1080 Ti was launched we have the similar 2080.

 

[cube]

Lots of people spend 60 dollars on PC games the same as people spend 60 dollars on console games. And yes, they’re priced similar to the competition. Exactly what point are you trying to make? Almost 2 years after the 1080 Ti was launched we have the similar 2080.

Most people buy PC games in Steam sales.

The point is that the VII is not undercutting NVIDIA on price as usual.

 

[Spoon!]

Almost two years after the 1080 Ti was launched, and few people spend $60 on a PC game nowadays.

So, GTX-like price.

Lots of people spend 60 dollars on PC games the same as people spending 60 dollars on console games. And yes, they’re priced similar to the competition. Exactly what point are you trying to make? Almost 2 years after the 1080 Ti was launched we have the similar 2080.

Most people buy PC games in Steam sales.

The point is that the VII is not undercutting NVIDIA on price as usual.

???

 

[koyoot]

???

AMD's brand perception is that they CANNOT offer equally priced product to Nvidia, for whatever reason.

 

[cube]

AMD's brand perception is that they CANNOT offer equally priced product to Nvidia, for whatever reason.

Because AMD normally prices their products reasonably and this is a big part of their appeal, unlike Intel and NVIDIA.

 

[CreeptoLoser]

This is a board for Mac Pro right? Pro app users on macOS? Good hope so )

So let's be pros and not gamers. Let's talk about pro use.

The Vega64 and Vega VII are marketed towards pro users. Geforce is a gaming card.

Vega family does 10 bit color out of the box for HDR, photography, videography, color workflows. Geforce is an 8 bit card not suitable for these workflow on a pro level.

Vega has extremely good raw compute performance for pro apps. In Cinebench OpenGL and Luxmark OpenCL the Vega64 beats the 1080 Ti. They are both good cards but the Vega 64 is about equal or better in pro apps.

https://techgage.com/article/a-look-at-amds-radeon-rx-vega-64-workstation-compute-performance/2/

Now comes the beast. Vega 7II is up to 65% better than the Vega 64 in Luxmark and raw OpenCL. That's incredible.

That means not only much faster than the Vega 64 and 1080ti but also faster than the 2080ti in compute apps....for $400 less......with 10 bit color out of the box.

So let's be serious guys. Are you gaming? Wrong forum. Are you a Mac Pro user running pro apps who needs the best color and best most reliable drivers? Vega II.

If you're hooked up on CUDA...Metal will take care of your needs soon on macOS.

Any argument is just tribalism or some Nvidia / flashed card shill coming to make a sale.
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I care.

But then I don't use my Mac Pro for gaming - I create 3D Art. Having 16Gb video card and the AMD ProRender Engine means I should be more productive.

Exact. This.

Gaming forum is over there------->

 

[cube]

The VII presentation was inconsistent. First they say it is a content creator card, then that you need it for e-sports.

 

[CreeptoLoser]

The VII presentation was inconsistent. First they say it is a content creator card, then that you need it for e-sports.

Or you didn't understand that is a better all rounder than a Geforce.

 

[cube]

Or you didn't understand that is a better all rounder than a Geforce.

They said it is the best of both worlds. That does not make the VII the best choice for e-sports.

 

[koyoot]

This is a board for Mac Pro right? Pro app users on macOS? Good hope so )

So let's be pros and not gamers. Let's talk about pro use.

The Vega64 and Vega VII are marketed towards pro users. Geforce is a gaming card.

Vega family does 10 bit color out of the box for HDR, photography, videography, color workflows. Geforce is an 8 bit card not suitable for these workflow on a pro level.

Vega has extremely good raw compute performance for pro apps. In Cinebench OpenGL and Luxmark OpenCL the Vega64 beats the 1080 Ti. They are both good cards but the Vega 64 is about equal or better in pro apps.

https://techgage.com/article/a-look-at-amds-radeon-rx-vega-64-workstation-compute-performance/2/

Now comes the beast. Vega 7II is up to 65% better than the Vega 64 in Luxmark and raw OpenCL. That's incredible.

That means not only much faster than the Vega 64 and 1080ti but also faster than the 2080ti in compute apps....for $400 less......with 10 bit color out of the box.

So let's be serious guys. Are you gaming? Wrong forum. Are you a Mac Pro user running pro apps who needs the best color and best most reliable drivers? Vega II.

If you're hooked up on CUDA...Metal will take care of your needs soon on macOS.

Any argument is just tribalism or some Nvidia / flashed card shill coming to make a sale.

Don't come with logic, and reason to this forum. Geforce is better, even when it is slower, or on par, they are better products on this forum, because they are Nvidia's products.

Because AMD normally prices their products reasonably and this is a big part of their appeal, unlike Intel and NVIDIA.

AMD prices "reasonably" because they can design better hardware, which can disrupt very often the competition. Radeon 9700 Pro in ATi times, Ryzen CPUs in AMD times, are perfect examples. They can, and WILL price their products accordingly, if they are allowed to by their competition.

And believe me. If AMD will release 16 core/ 32 thread CPU this year, on AM4 platform it will be priced accordingly, because they will not have any competition. Look at 500$ for such part on mainstream platform.

 

[CreeptoLoser]

PRO APPS FOR PRO USERS ON PRO FORUM

Vega 7II is faster than 2080 in Da Vinci Resolve, raw OpenCL render, and Premiere....and has 10 bit color of course

Since CL will be depreciated we will see all these apps support Metal even better with macOS 10.15

 

[cube]

And believe me. If AMD will release 16 core/ 32 thread CPU this year, on AM4 platform it will be priced accordingly, because they will not have any competition. Look at 500$ for such part on mainstream platform.

Because 16-core Threadripper costs $900.

 

[thornslack]

Are you gaming? Wrong forum.

Any argument is just tribalism or some Nvidia / flashed card shill coming to make a sale

Gaming forum is over there------->

Sorry but plenty of users on this forum use their Mac to game. Just cause you’re boring doesn’t mean everyone else shares your view point. Also geforce does 10 bit color despite what the few negative Nancy’s here will tell you. Also you’re the only one here sounding like a shill

 

[koyoot]

Because 16-core Threadripper costs $900.

And how much does AM4 CPUs cost?

 

[GrumpyCoder]

That means not only much faster than the Vega 64 and 1080ti but also faster than the 2080ti in compute apps....for $400 less......with 10 bit color out of the box.

I would not bet on that for compute, because it probably depends alot on what type of computing you do. The tensor cores in Nvidia are a huge deal. I'm really looking forward to real-world benchmarks in february.

So let's be serious guys. Are you gaming? Wrong forum. Are you a Mac Pro user running pro apps who needs the best color and best most reliable drivers? Vega II.

Point is, AMD is the only solution for Macs right now. So if the top AMD card would have the power of a C64 from the 80s, that would still be the best choice for everyone running Mojave.

Because 16-core Threadripper costs $900.

Ryzen 16c/32t is rumored to be ~$500.

 

[cube]

And how much does AM4 CPUs cost?

The 1800X cost $500.

 

[koyoot]

The 1800X cost $500.

And how much mainstream CPUs topped at before 1800X?

 

[cube]

And how much mainstream CPUs topped at before 1800X?

8-core Intel was more expensive.

 

[Asgorath]

This is a board for Mac Pro right? Pro app users on macOS? Good hope so )

So let's be pros and not gamers. Let's talk about pro use.

The Vega64 and Vega VII are marketed towards pro users. Geforce is a gaming card.

Vega family does 10 bit color out of the box for HDR, photography, videography, color workflows. Geforce is an 8 bit card not suitable for these workflow on a pro level.

Vega has extremely good raw compute performance for pro apps. In Cinebench OpenGL and Luxmark OpenCL the Vega64 beats the 1080 Ti. They are both good cards but the Vega 64 is about equal or better in pro apps.

https://techgage.com/article/a-look-at-amds-radeon-rx-vega-64-workstation-compute-performance/2/

Now comes the beast. Vega 7II is up to 65% better than the Vega 64 in Luxmark and raw OpenCL. That's incredible.

That means not only much faster than the Vega 64 and 1080ti but also faster than the 2080ti in compute apps....for $400 less......with 10 bit color out of the box.

So let's be serious guys. Are you gaming? Wrong forum. Are you a Mac Pro user running pro apps who needs the best color and best most reliable drivers? Vega II.

If you're hooked up on CUDA...Metal will take care of your needs soon on macOS.

Any argument is just tribalism or some Nvidia / flashed card shill coming to make a sale.
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Exact. This.

Gaming forum is over there------->

Vega is a GPU architecture, right? So, shouldn't you be comparing Vega to Turing, and Radeon to GeForce?

FWIW there are professional Quadro cards that use Turing GPUs, such as the Quadro RTX series:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/quadro-desktop-gpus/

These all support 10-bit color, and have huge amounts of memory (the Quadro RTX 8000 has 48GB of memory for example). Since you already said that me even mentioning this makes me a shill, I am absolutely not recommending you go and buy one.

Having said that, if you are looking for a cheap consumer card to do professional work on macOS and require good Luxmark performance (or other OpenCL performance), then you should absolutely just buy a Radeon VII. Assuming that it actually works under macOS, that is.

Finally, this is the Mac Pro forum. It's a forum for people to discuss the Mac Pro system, including what GPUs they should buy for various usage cases. People use Mac Pros for all kinds of things, including playing games (that's what I used mine for when I bought it back in 2010). It was the only system from Apple that had a PCIe slot at the time. This is not the "Professional users only" forum, so please stop treating it like it is.

Don't mind me, I'll be over here holding my breath for Metal to take over from CUDA in the HPC space.

 

[CreeptoLoser]

Sorry but plenty of users on this forum use their Mac to game. Just cause you’re boring doesn’t mean everyone else shares your view point. Also geforce does 10 bit color despite what the few negative Nancy’s here will tell you. Also you’re the only one here sounding like a shill

PRO SUB-FORUM. Mac Pro. Pro users. Pro apps.

Geforce doesn't do 10 bit. You talking like we don't have Geforce cards and don't know. Even the Nvidia sales shill said he only uses Windows has come to post to tell us we should upgrade to $3000 card (with no macos drivers) to get this basic modern feature. Guys....serious. Brand tribalism makes brains look very deficient. It's a very unevolved and unenlightened waste of energy.