AMD vs NVIDIA for Final Cut Pro X

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

YES Windows should be in a discussion about performance of a GPU because it gives you a good idea of how're actual potential of a GPU if given a proper driver and good API support, unlike the beta drivers, bugs and bad APIs you put up with on OSX.

If you didn't have Windows or Linux performance to compare to you could just sit there in your cloud of delusion forever without ever knowing the potential that is possible. That doesn't apply just to GPU but also other components.

 

[Ethosik]

YES Windows should be in a discussion about performance of a GPU because it gives you a good idea of how're actual potential of a GPU if given a proper driver and good API support, unlike the beta drivers, bugs and bad APIs you put up with on OSX.

If you didn't have Windows or Linux performance to compare to you could just sit there in your cloud of delusion forever without ever knowing the potential that is possible. That doesn't apply just to GPU but also other components.

Why? Please tell me where I can get FCPX in Windows? THAT is the discussion here. Did you read the title of the thread? Windows discussion does not belong here AT ALL. If FCPX was on Windows, it would be.

 

[JoelTheSuperior]

YES Windows should be in a discussion about performance of a GPU because it gives you a good idea of how're actual potential of a GPU if given a proper driver and good API support, unlike the beta drivers, bugs and bad APIs you put up with on OSX.

If you didn't have Windows or Linux performance to compare to you could just sit there in your cloud of delusion forever without ever knowing the potential that is possible. That doesn't apply just to GPU but also other components.

That's what makes it so damn frustrating for me to use OS X. I love OS X, but the performance delta on my GPU vs what it should be managing (i.e. what it manages on Windows) is just insane.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Why? Please tell me where I can get FCPX in Windows?

True....but guess who was the person posting random information from sites trying to prove us wrong about performance deltas? You.

And it is helpful for people in the video business to know what they are working with, FCP or other. This hardware or that, that OS or this, this beta driver or that proper driver.

For example, I created an h.264 encoding test a year ago for the fastest 12 core cMP. I performed the test on this forum for live feedback. The test was to see how CUDA and OpenCL performs on a cMP in OSX and Windows using a GTX980.

I ran the same apps, same settings and performed the OpenCL tests while waiting for the Mac CUDA driver to arrive.

OS X took 2 minutes to complete the encoding. Windows took 30 seconds.

We were puzzled how could this be. I then ran the test again on Windows using CUDA. The time was exactly the same.

One forum salesboy who sells these overpriced cards to Mac users was confident that the Mac CUDA driver was going to speed up rendering. This is a guy who claims to advise many studios.

But he was dead wrong. Because as the discussion progressed a very well experienced video professional joined and let us know that Maxwell cards won't encode to h.264 because they are horribly inefficient versus a CPU for this task (it's a ROPS thing).

In other words, disabling CUDA and OpenGL made no difference. Windows was 4 times faster than OSX purely because the operation system supports Intel's CPU video encode features better.

The video card salesboys didn't know this stuff, they are only good for telling people to buy GPUs that mostly don't live up to the performance promised by them on OSX. When it comes to the nitty gritty details of how real world apps work or how drivers are built, these guys are clueless and they prefer if customers didn't know such stuff.

That's why you need people on this forum to tell you how things perform universally in other apps and platforms , otherwise you'll end up misinformed and having parasitic people trying to empty your wallet with overhyped GPU, USB3.1 and PCIESSD upgrades that don't live up to their marketing promises.

The bottom line is, if you're using FCPX you should be using GPUs Apple has optimised for instead of buying a GeForce card running on a flakey web driver which Nvidia says only has beta support for Maxwell.

 

[Ethosik]

True....but guess who was the person posting random information from sites trying to prove us wrong about performance deltas? You.

And it is helpful for people in the video business to know what they are working with, FCP or other. This hardware or that, that OS or this, this beta driver or that proper driver.

For example, I created an h.264 encoding test a year ago for the fastest 12 core cMP. I performed the test on this forum for live feedback. The test was to see how CUDA and OpenCL performs on a cMP in OSX and Windows using a GTX980.

I ran the same apps, same settings and performed the OpenCL tests while waiting for the Mac CUDA driver to arrive.

OS X took 2 minutes to complete the encoding. Windows took 30 seconds.

We were puzzled how could this be. I then ran the test again on Windows using CUDA. The time was exactly the same.

One forum salesboy who sells these overpriced cards to Mac users was confident that the Mac CUDA driver was going to speed up rendering. This is a guy who claims to advise many studios.

But he was dead wrong. Because as the discussion progressed a very well experienced video professional joined and let us know that Maxwell cards won't encode to h.264 because they are horribly inefficient versus a CPU for this task (it's a ROPS thing).

In other words, disabling CUDA and OpenGL made no difference. Windows was 4 times faster than OSX purely because the operation system supports Intel's CPU video encode features better.

The video card salesboys didn't know this stuff, they are only good for telling people to buy GPUs that mostly don't live up to the performance promised by them on OSX. When it comes to the nitty gritty details of how real world apps work or how drivers are built, these guys are clueless and they prefer if customers didn't know such stuff.

That's why you need people on this forum to tell you how things perform universally in other apps and platforms , otherwise you'll end up misinformed and having parasitic people trying to empty your wallet with overhyped GPU, USB3.1 and PCIESSD upgrades that don't live up to their marketing promises.

The bottom line is, if you're using FCPX you should be using GPUs Apple has optimised for instead of buying a GeForce card running on a flakey web driver which Nvidia says only has beta support for Maxwell.

Um, what? I posted the same link you did regarding to the GTX 980 Ti performance. Three out of the five showed a very good performance boost in OS X between the GTX 680 and the 980.

So you are the only one that can use barefeats in an argument? Ok then, sorry I did not know.

Again, leave the windows discussion out of this. We ALL get it and know Windows has better performance. So just leave that out of it because it is irrelevant.

 

[joot]

I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with 3.33 mHz 12 cores with a GTX970 gpu running El Capitan. When working with Premiere, the video preview window runs smooth...no problem. However, on FCPX, preview window is choppy, stutters, etc. I'm guessing OpenCL of FCPX is not working too well with my GTX970 gpu...just my observation...

 

[ekwipt]

I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with 3.33 mHz 12 cores with a GTX970 gpu running El Capitan. When working with Premiere, the video preview window runs smooth...no problem. However, on FCPX, preview window is choppy, stutters, etc. I'm guessing OpenCL of FCPX is not working too well with my GTX970 gpu...just my observation...

I was reading about the 970 and it might be due to the way the card utilises it's RAM

 

[handheldgames]

True....but guess who was the person posting random information from sites trying to prove us wrong about performance deltas? You.

And it is helpful for people in the video business to know what they are working with, FCP or other. This hardware or that, that OS or this, this beta driver or that proper driver.

For example, I created an h.264 encoding test a year ago for the fastest 12 core cMP. I performed the test on this forum for live feedback. The test was to see how CUDA and OpenCL performs on a cMP in OSX and Windows using a GTX980.

I ran the same apps, same settings and performed the OpenCL tests while waiting for the Mac CUDA driver to arrive.

OS X took 2 minutes to complete the encoding. Windows took 30 seconds.

We were puzzled how could this be. I then ran the test again on Windows using CUDA. The time was exactly the same.

One forum salesboy who sells these overpriced cards to Mac users was confident that the Mac CUDA driver was going to speed up rendering. This is a guy who claims to advise many studios.

But he was dead wrong. Because as the discussion progressed a very well experienced video professional joined and let us know that Maxwell cards won't encode to h.264 because they are horribly inefficient versus a CPU for this task (it's a ROPS thing).

In other words, disabling CUDA and OpenGL made no difference. Windows was 4 times faster than OSX purely because the operation system supports Intel's CPU video encode features better.

The video card salesboys didn't know this stuff, they are only good for telling people to buy GPUs that mostly don't live up to the performance promised by them on OSX. When it comes to the nitty gritty details of how real world apps work or how drivers are built, these guys are clueless and they prefer if customers didn't know such stuff.

That's why you need people on this forum to tell you how things perform universally in other apps and platforms , otherwise you'll end up misinformed and having parasitic people trying to empty your wallet with overhyped GPU, USB3.1 and PCIESSD upgrades that don't live up to their marketing promises.

The bottom line is, if you're using FCPX you should be using GPUs Apple has optimised for instead of buying a GeForce card running on a flakey web driver which Nvidia says only has beta support for Maxwell.

Toxic.... boooo. If you dont have nice things to say.. Dont say nothin.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Toxic.... boooo. If you dont have nice things to say.. Dont say nothin.

Says the self appointed expert who doesn't know the difference between SATA Express and NGFF, and then told forum members they would have faster boot up times and faster app launching by upgrading from a regular SSD to an NGFF SSD. The same self appointed expert who would not and could not present evidence of such claims when asked to. The same expert who said SSDs work faster on a Mac than on a Windows PC even after I posted hard evidence that the SSD read and writes are faster in Bootcamp than on OSX on the same machine.

You're a self appointed nobody. A nothing.

 

[666sheep]

You've forgotten to mention that you're the first person in the galaxy who has tested 3 RAID 0'ed SM951s in cMP.
But luckily the world didn't forget it. Praise the Lord!

 

[kennyman]

My AMD 280X died 2 days ago, it has been a great card for OpenCl apps, video rendering and so on.
I am thinking of getting Nvidia this time, was looking for a new card from MVC and came across the Adobe fix from his blog.

Could you guys please try the steps from the Adobe forum and download the latest drivers from Nvidia to give it a try? if the fix allows metal to be used, that will be a good news! I hope that the new drivers improve FCPX performance. Thanks

 

[gr8pics]

Anyone care to comment on 7970 vs a flashed 980ti in rendering speeds, are they equally fast, or, if one is faster, which one, and how much?
Considering all other hardware, software, drivers and osx are latest vers, or all of the setup is optimal in terms of speed.
5.1, 3.46 and 40GB.

Cheers!

 

[pierrox]

Anyone care to comment on 7970 vs a flashed 980ti in rendering speeds, are they equally fast, or, if one is faster, which one, and how much?
Considering all other hardware, software, drivers and osx are latest vers, or all of the setup is optimal in terms of speed.
5.1, 3.46 and 40GB.

Cheers!

And I'd love the same feedback on Premiere Pro. I have a R9 280X myself, pretty happy with it, but would trade for a GTX if it really improves perf on Premiere - I don't do FCP X.

 

[gr8pics]

And I'd love the same feedback on Premiere Pro. I have a R9 280X myself, pretty happy with it, but would trade for a GTX if it really improves perf on Premiere - I don't do FCP X.

I can confirm, that for PP and Resolve, the 980ti is superfast, as Cuda is the powertrain here, at least on a Mac

 

[joot]

The rule is:

Premier Pro = use Nvidia cards

Final Cut = use AMD cards

 

[AidenShaw]

The rule is:

Premier Pro = use Nvidia cards

Final Cut = use AMD cards

Or, to paraphrase:

• PP = use a PC with Nvidia

• FCPX = fire up a trash can

 

[kennyman]

With the release of Nvidia 1000 series, 900 series are affordable now. I am currently using my original Apple 5770, I need CUDA for a project rendering in Adobe, 5770 is too slow. Just won a bid yesterday and managed to get a 980ti classified for 285 bucks, awaiting patiently for the card to arrive

May I know whether the latest FCPX 10.3.2 is still crashing with Nvidia Cards/Drivers?

 

[h9826790]

With the release of Nvidia 1000 series, 900 series are affordable now. I am currently using my original Apple 5770, I need CUDA for a project rendering in Adobe, 5770 is too slow. Just won a bid yesterday and managed to get a 980ti classified for 285 bucks, awaiting patiently for the card to arrive

May I know whether the latest FCPX 10.3.2 is still crashing with Nvidia Cards/Drivers?

I think you have to try it by yourself. The reports are not very consistent. Some users seems have flawless experience with the Maxwell card, but others keep facing the crash. Since there is more than one variable between each system, there is no way to tell what actually cause the instability.

Wish you luck and have a nice upgrade. The 980Ti is really a nice choice now, especially for <$300 a classified card.

 

[Ethosik]

The rule is:

Premier Pro = use Nvidia cards

Final Cut = use AMD cards

I agree. I prefer AMD in my Macs because of this. I am still very disappointed with my GTX 980 performance in my 2010 Mac Pro. Was NOT worth it when the older AMD card was doing things better. I will add to this though.

Gaming/CUDA applications = NVIDIA

Apple software/OpenCL = use AMD.

 

[star-affinity]

I am still very disappointed with my GTX 980 performance in my 2010 Mac Pro.

Could you say in more detail in which scenarios it disappoints you? I'm on a Mac Pro ”Mid 2010” and have a GTX 970, so would be good to know in which situations I should't have too high expectations.

 

[Ethosik]

Could you say in more detail in which scenarios it disappoints you? I'm on a Mac Pro ”Mid 2010” and have a GTX 970, so would be good to know in which situations I should't have too high expectations.

FCPX. Gaming is fine, but FCPX my AMD card is better and a couple of years older than the 980.

 

[joot]

With the release of Nvidia 1000 series, 900 series are affordable now. I am currently using my original Apple 5770, I need CUDA for a project rendering in Adobe, 5770 is too slow. Just won a bid yesterday and managed to get a 980ti classified for 285 bucks, awaiting patiently for the card to arrive

May I know whether the latest FCPX 10.3.2 is still crashing with Nvidia Cards/Drivers?

I'm curious as to how will you powered your 980 Ti. It's got 1x6 pin and 1x8 pin pci-e power connection. I also have a Gigabyte 980 Ti. I was going to go all internal powered but I didn't want to lost the DVD and HDD sata ports just to provide power to the card. I'm ordering a PSU with 1x6 pin and 1x8 pin from ebay to provide power.

 

[pierrox]

I am currently using my original Apple 5770, I need CUDA for a project rendering in Adobe, 5770 is too slow. Just won a bid yesterday and managed to get a 980ti classified for 285 bucks, awaiting patiently for the card to arrive

Well done, that's what I'm trying to do but over here (France), sellers are still greedy and I have yet to see one that's not rinsed out under 350€... But I'd be curious to read your feedback on it whilst using Adobe.
From others on this thread, don't expect anything with FCPX, same at best, or worse.
(I'm dabbling with Premiere / Resolve at the moment, I'm an Avid MC user first).

 

[kennyman]

I`ve installed my GTX 980ti, loaded Windows 10 and installed the Nvidia drivers, first thing that I`ve noticed is that the GPU clock is higher than default, ebay seller informed me that it is a stable OC, and second bios on the card is factory clock, will play around with GPU clock speed tonight.

Back to macOS, did a clean El Capitan install, I`m still on El Capitan 10.11.4 due to some plug ins and Wacom device not working smoothly in 10.11.6 and Sierra:/

The results are on par with what others have reported, I am using latest Nvidia drivers for 10.11.4 and using FCPX 10.3.3.

So far, it is stable, but I have experienced the same image shuttering on FCPX when I try to preview videos. I did BruceX and got around 36-39 seconds (3 runs).

No problem on Adobe CC 2017, Premiere looks fine, will do some more testing in the coming days, my config is below: