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Niiro13

macrumors 68000
Feb 12, 2008
1,719
0
Illinois
How can an application be "crap" based solely on it's price? The term "crap app" is only referring to the application itself such as features, looks, etc....not price.

But as someone else has pointed out above, the same information can be found for free on the internet by googling! If these apps have any other features that make them worth more than such free info, the developer has failed to make me aware of them in his app description. So I'm not going to drop him a dollar in the hopes that I'll find a "hidden feature" that makes the app worth the dollar. Why should I? It's the responsibility of the developers to give a product description that sell their product to the consumer!

Hmm, taking this off of App Store reviews, Bejeweled is a free web app, 4 in a row is a free web app, Solitaire, RSS reader, etc.

I hate how people say there's a free version. Yes, there is...the difference is that you don't have to go on the internet in order to use it. And it's faster.
 

sushi

Moderator emeritus
Jul 19, 2002
15,639
3
キャンプスワ&#
But as someone else has pointed out above, the same information can be found for free on the internet by googling! If these apps have any other features that make them worth more than such free info, the developer has failed to make me aware of them in his app description. So I'm not going to drop him a dollar in the hopes that I'll find a "hidden feature" that makes the app worth the dollar. Why should I? It's the responsibility of the developers to give a product description that sell their product to the consumer!
If I were traveling, and had to wear a bow tie, I would purchase this app.

Why?

Well based on the simple arrow buttons, I can see multiple screen shots. And from what I can see, they are descriptive. I rarely wear a bow tie, so to have piece of mind, I could purchase the app and know that I would have the directions with me. After all, I may not be in a place were I could easily view the net to get info.

But that's just me. I like to be prepared.

Remember no one is forcing you to purchase the app. But others may think that it is worthwhile.
 

jah921123

macrumors member
Original poster
Jul 19, 2008
34
0
Whoa... there are some cranky customers today :)

True, it is easier to complain about than to do. I would never try my hand at coding any kind of app because I don't have a clue how to do it. And for that, I respect all of the developers who have been able to get apps up on the App Store. But, that doesn't mean that as a consumer I don't have a right to an opinion about it based on given information. For example, I recently bought a computer and was looking at which type of video card to get (it's a PC, so please don't flame me for poor computer choice, too :)). The card I wanted information on was a GeForce 9800GT which people are complaining about online as simply being a rebadged 8800GT since the specs seem similar. None of these people have tried the new card yet, though. I'm not mad at them for giving their opinion. I appreciate their view on the subject, but it's up to me to decide how I feel about it.

Right or wrong, it's still just an opinion and you can agree or disagree. I didn't pretend about knowing all of the in-depth features of the app and fabricate a detailed review. I saw something that didn't seem right to me and posted about it on my site and this forum. However, I do see some people's points that my posted "opinion" may be misconstrued as a review. I'll do a better job next time of making a clearer distinction between the two.

And yes, you can build your own car, or your own computer, etc. But I would guess that it's much easier to find information for something like this on the internet than it is to build my own car. Just a guess, though :) (and yes, I understand this app costs $2 while a car costs thousands more). I can see some uses for this app; that wasn't my qualm. The price was my issue and you can agree or disagree without flaming about why I posted in the first place. Just like no one is forcing you to buy the app, no one is forcing you to agree with me, either. In fact, it's a better thread because not everyone agrees. It creates discussion and sharing of ideas. Kind of the whole point of a forum.

Also, the discussion that I started did not require a visit to my site in order to participate. I posted the link for anyone who wanted to read more about it, but the thread is self-sufficient even if you didn't go to the site. No one is making you visit the site. It's your right not to go, just like it's your right to buy an app or not. But bashing on me for posting links to my site within relevant threads I don't think is very fair. We talk about free enterprise, but people also have the right to call attention to products/services/sites/etc. as long as it's relevant to the discussion on hand.
 

WhySoSerious

macrumors 65816
Jun 30, 2007
1,460
97
Dallas, TX
Whoa... there are some cranky customers today :)

True, it is easier to complain about than to do. I would never try my hand at coding any kind of app because I don't have a clue how to do it. And for that, I respect all of the developers who have been able to get apps up on the App Store. But, that doesn't mean that as a consumer I don't have a right to an opinion about it based on given information. For example, I recently bought a computer and was looking at which type of video card to get (it's a PC, so please don't flame me for poor computer choice, too :)). The card I wanted information on was a GeForce 9800GT which people are complaining about online as simply being a rebadged 8800GT since the specs seem similar. None of these people have tried the new card yet, though. I'm not mad at them for giving their opinion. I appreciate their view on the subject, but it's up to me to decide how I feel about it.

Right or wrong, it's still just an opinion and you can agree or disagree. I didn't pretend about knowing all of the in-depth features of the app and fabricate a detailed review. I saw something that didn't seem right to me and posted about it on my site and this forum. However, I do see some people's points that my posted "opinion" may be misconstrued as a review. I'll do a better job next time of making a clearer distinction between the two.

And yes, you can build your own car, or your own computer, etc. But I would guess that it's much easier to find information for something like this on the internet than it is to build my own car. Just a guess, though :) (and yes, I understand this app costs $2 while a car costs thousands more). I can see some uses for this app; that wasn't my qualm. The price was my issue and you can agree or disagree without flaming about why I posted in the first place. Just like no one is forcing you to buy the app, no one is forcing you to agree with me, either. In fact, it's a better thread because not everyone agrees. It creates discussion and sharing of ideas. Kind of the whole point of a forum.

Also, the discussion that I started did not require a visit to my site in order to participate. I posted the link for anyone who wanted to read more about it, but the thread is self-sufficient even if you didn't go to the site. No one is making you visit the site. It's your right not to go, just like it's your right to buy an app or not. But bashing on me for posting links to my site within relevant threads I don't think is very fair. We talk about free enterprise, but people also have the right to call attention to products/services/sites/etc. as long as it's relevant to the discussion on hand.

Bravo! Nice post my friend...I applaud you greatly. bravo...
 

jaseone

macrumors 65816
Nov 7, 2004
1,246
59
Houston, USA
You shouldn't deem an app to be crap based on it's price, if you think an app costs too much then you should call it something along the lines of a ripoff. This app actually looks to be a quite well made application so I don't think it is deserving of the "crap app" title just because you think it isn't worth the asking price.
 

ryanwarsaw

macrumors 68030
Apr 7, 2007
2,746
2,441
Yes if you are a consumer you have a right to complain. When you are a reviewer that didn't purchase the app then it doesn't apply.
 

kockgunner

macrumors 68000
Sep 24, 2007
1,565
22
Vancouver, Canada
Yes if you are a consumer you have a right to complain. When you are a reviewer that didn't purchase the app then it doesn't apply.

Reviewers are consumers too. And just because an app is good it can still be a crap app because of its price. Many review sites review TV's, cameras and other electronics and complain about their prices. The reviewers can use any type of adjective they like especially if the app is comprised of diagrams that can be found on the internet.
 

thetoothfairy

macrumors newbie
Jul 28, 2008
27
0
ok guys I bought the app.... it is rather nice... I got tired of the hubby saying he needed a tie and the one he always picked out never was tied....

There is not much to it besides picking out what tie you want to tie and then it shows you how to do it... the screen animation is rather nice and smooth when you go from one screen to another...

To me... I think it was worth the money because I am tired of my husband not being able to tie his tie when he needs one.... this has been going on for 30 years now... so now he can learn how to do it instead of depending on our sons that are not home anymore...
 

sushi

Moderator emeritus
Jul 19, 2002
15,639
3
キャンプスワ&#
ok guys I bought the app.... it is rather nice... I got tired of the hubby saying he needed a tie and the one he always picked out never was tied....

There is not much to it besides picking out what tie you want to tie and then it shows you how to do it... the screen animation is rather nice and smooth when you go from one screen to another...

To me... I think it was worth the money because I am tired of my husband not being able to tie his tie when he needs one.... this has been going on for 30 years now... so now he can learn how to do it instead of depending on our sons that are not home anymore...
Thanks for sharing.

The app looks cool and well done. Glad to hear that it is.
 

hotsauce

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2005
662
91
Has anyone seen Tie-a-Tie Deluxe? It just posted to the App Store. They actually charge $1.99 to diagram how you tie a tie! C'mon, Apple! If it was free, maaaaaaaybe... But charging a couple bucks has definitely earned it "crap app" status...

Somebody just made it onto my crap site list. Congratulations.
 

Master Debater

macrumors member
Jul 30, 2008
95
0
my belief on this whole thing is this:

if you purchased the app off iTunes, you should be allowed to leave a review on iTunes. if you did not purchase the app off iTunes, you should NOT be able to leave a review on iTunes.

IamRich would have a single review written by Steve Jobs.
 

Markleshark

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2006
6,249
10
Carlisle, Up Norf!
Somebody just made it onto my crap site list. Congratulations.

Agreed.

Anyway, devs can charge what they like. Some will pay it, some wont. Why should anyone put lots of work into an application for it to be free? They have more than enough right to charge as much as they like. Bravo to the devs who do it for free and I salute them even more, but thats not how a business model works.
 

Night Spring

macrumors G5
Jul 17, 2008
14,885
8,055
Ok! I've seen the error of my ways! My mistake was thinking of this as an app -- as in a computer program that should *do* something. If I think of it as a portable how-to booklet for the iPhone/Touch, yes, I can see it has its uses.
 

Markleshark

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2006
6,249
10
Carlisle, Up Norf!
Oh, so now we need a separate store for Applications (As in computer programs) and one for How-To Booklets (As in... How-To-Booklets) just because your too... yeah... to fathom out the difference.
 

Night Spring

macrumors G5
Jul 17, 2008
14,885
8,055
Oh, so now we need a separate store for Applications (As in computer programs) and one for How-To Booklets (As in... How-To-Booklets) just because your too... yeah... to fathom out the difference.

Well... There *is* a separate section in the app store for books called, oh yes, "Books." :D
 

EvanLugh

macrumors 68000
Aug 29, 2007
1,929
3
Developer land
Also, the discussion that I started did not require a visit to my site in order to participate. I posted the link for anyone who wanted to read more about it, but the thread is self-sufficient even if you didn't go to the site. No one is making you visit the site. It's your right not to go, just like it's your right to buy an app or not. But bashing on me for posting links to my site within relevant threads I don't think is very fair. We talk about free enterprise, but people also have the right to call attention to products/services/sites/etc. as long as it's relevant to the discussion on hand.

Would you like to visit my XXX site? It has everything you want.. you don't have to go if you don't want to BUT THEN you'll never see the rest will you..
 
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