Can Parallels or Fusion emulate TPM by converting the calls to Apple’s security chip?
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And now Parallels has spoken up about Win 11 support on Macs!
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I'm not sure if it's reading Apple's chip, or if's just a software emulation. I suspect it's the latter since I couldn't get the 11 update to show until I added the TPM chip (which I couldn't do until I encrypted.)
Sorry. that response was for Windows 11 on Intel. On M1, I was talking about Win 10 ARM, which installed without a TPM chip. I got my responses mixed up.
No worries. I have a similar setup. On my Intel MBP, I have Windows 11 with TPM running on VMware Fusion. On my M1 MBA, I have Windows 11 w/o TPM running on Parallels Desktop. Personally as a first time Parallels user, I am in awe of how stable the product is. I just wish they were a bit more proactive with their roadmap. But on the flip side it appears VMware has all but given up on AS…they don’t even have a preview yet.
Microsoft, I think even they would say, handled all of these requirements very poorly in their communications.
Here's the correct situation.
1) You must have an Intel 8th gen CPU or newer (7th gen is under review.) Or a Zen 2 or newer AMD CPU (first gen is under review).
For ARM, it must be :
3) Secure Boot Must be on
4) TPM 2.0 or later is required.
NOTE- these requirements are not enforced in Insider Builds during the Beta time IF you were testing in the dev channel prior to the Windows 11 announcement date. They will be enforced after GA.
I am running Windows 11 in Parallels but noted, that on install it showed as not compatible. I know that Parallels has not yet added TPM 2 support on M1, but say it's coming. They report the CPU as Apple Silicon, so that will need to be addressed. I would think that they are using UEFI but am not sure. I also do not know about Secure Boot.
I really do not think they have too much work to do to make it compatible and should be done in time for GA in October at the latest.
Here's the correct situation.
1) You must have an Intel 8th gen CPU or newer (7th gen is under review.) Or a Zen 2 or newer AMD CPU (first gen is under review).
For ARM, it must be :
- Snapdragon 850
- Samsung Galaxy Book2, Huawei Matebook E (2019), Microsoft HoloLens2
- Snapdragon 7c
- Acer Chromebook Spin 513, Positivo Wise N1212S
- Snapdragon 8c
- Lenovo IdeaPad 4G LTE
- Snapdragon 8cx
- Samsung Galaxy Book S, Lenovo Flex 5G, Lenovo IdeaPad 5G
- Snapdragon 8cx (second generation)
- Acer Spin 7, HP Elite Folio
- Microsoft SQ1
- Microsoft Surface Pro X
- Microsoft SQ2
- Microsoft Surface Pro X
3) Secure Boot Must be on
4) TPM 2.0 or later is required.
NOTE- these requirements are not enforced in Insider Builds during the Beta time IF you were testing in the dev channel prior to the Windows 11 announcement date. They will be enforced after GA.
I am running Windows 11 in Parallels but noted, that on install it showed as not compatible. I know that Parallels has not yet added TPM 2 support on M1, but say it's coming. They report the CPU as Apple Silicon, so that will need to be addressed. I would think that they are using UEFI but am not sure. I also do not know about Secure Boot.
I really do not think they have too much work to do to make it compatible and should be done in time for GA in October at the latest.
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Those are the devices that run Windows on Arm, so it looks like the Arm version of Windows 11 still can only be licensed to OEMs.
Microsoft has not said what their marketing plans are for Windows 11. But the CPU list is by necessity backwards focused. We are in the same place as now regarding a retail version, But I am hopeful that when Win 11 ships there will be one. One should note that we always say it's OEM only, but there is a version in the Enterprise Channel.Those are the devices that run Windows on Arm, so it looks like the Arm version of Windows 11 still can only be licensed to OEMs.
What you quoted it's pretty plain to me.
Of course they can change in an instant, and I hope they do, but there's just no indication yet of it happening.
I have been through all the settings in Parallels very carefully, and I don’t see any option to add a TPM device.
Can you elaborate, please, with specific steps. Thanks.
EDIT: Ignore; just noticed Post #28, where you say your previous statement was in relation to Intel not AS - apologies
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I was running the Windows 10 Arm Eval in Parallels on my M1 Air. I let Windows upgrade it to Windows 11 and it seems to be snappier that 10. I run Steam and play Red Alert: Yuris Revenge and it works fine. I had activated 10 with my student activation key and when it upgraded it removed the eval watermark from the desktop and is fully activated. interesting..
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Exactly as I feared. Now Parallels might be in trouble as a company.
If you look at the article on The Register, the only Microsoft quote seems to be in this part:
Which is in response to the well-advertised issue which happened recently with the insider builds throwing up errors around not being supported.
Is it time for doom and gloom yet? Not sure.
Which is in response to the well-advertised issue which happened recently with the insider builds throwing up errors around not being supported.
Is it time for doom and gloom yet? Not sure.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft saying "unsupported scenario" means that Microsoft won't support it but won't be aggressively blocking Parallels and other VM companies from doing it. With the range of devices Windows has to support from different OEMs and manufacturers, they can't lock it down as much as Apple does with macOS hardware support.
Yeah, besides the Surface(es), which Apple doesn't have a 1-to-1 competing product for, Microsoft doesn't build hardware so there is no reason for them to block Windows on Macs. Microsoft just doesn't want people complaining to them about any emulation issues they might have.
True, though a consideration may be also not upsetting OEMs by making it easier for Mac owners to bypass a Windows box purchase; even if that % is low. No reason to upset your main customers.
I agree, an official version would imply including support and the headaches of keeping up with any change Apple makes to the OS would not be worth it. The market is simply too small.
Your Apple Lego store is cool.
Microsoft confirms: Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 in all machines... even virtual ones
Since the announcement of Windows 11, Microsoft hasn't been entirely upfront in terms of what users would need to run the new OS. Things like Secure Boot...
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Well, I dont think it will work cause it requires TPM 2.0.
Microsoft confirms: Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 in all machines... even virtual ones
Since the announcement of Windows 11, Microsoft hasn't been entirely upfront in terms of what users would need to run the new OS. Things like Secure Boot...
Well, I dont think it will work cause it requires TPM 2.0.
Parallels has option to enable TPM and it works. Latest Dev build 22458 was first build it became essential. The VM was reported as not meeting requirements and install aborted until I turned TPM on.
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