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matttye

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Mar 25, 2009
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You are right. A simple grid of icons is more refined. You must be one of those mac users with icons and all kinds of ish on your desktop. Somehow cluttered is more organized for these people.

Hmm having my agenda right on the home screen seems more organised than having to press an icon to go into an app.. Am I alone in thinking this? What's the point in having to press an icon when it could be right in front of me??
 

mysterioustko

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May 7, 2011
423
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Hmm having my agenda right on the home screen seems more organised than having to press an icon to go into an app.. Am I alone in thinking this? What's the point in having to press an icon when it could be right in front of me??

I think it provides for an increased level of functionality. I think anytime you are able to put the things that are most important to you in a place that makes it readily available, adds a level of functionality and convenience.
 

Carl Sagan

macrumors 6502a
May 31, 2011
603
17
The Universe
That's not true, .........

I used to think that my JB and unlocked tricked out 3g was the cat's derriere -
But now with my nonJB 4s, I feel like an idiot that I waited all this time for a phone with the same tiny (only yellow)screen, and major battery issues -

I was an iphone bragger/fanboy for almost 3 years til the 4s was announced - :eek:

You're the exception that proves the rule.;)
 

thenerdal

macrumors 65816
Oct 14, 2011
1,051
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well, I want them to keep doing things their way, cause it works. I dont however want them copying Android, cause it DOES NOT work. And there are reasons for it.

Well, sometimes it does work with the new Notification Center.

Yes, I think Apple copied Android with the notification center. Yes, there might have been a jailbreak tweak that had something like that around or before Android had it, but Apple didn't have it by default.
 

Photogdave

macrumors regular
Dec 20, 2011
155
11
Can I ask, what android phones and software versions have you used? Have you ever used a top end android phone? My sgs2 doesn't freeze or crash. Safari on my iPad force closes more than my android apps.

Also, if widgets were implemented properly they wouldn't cause stability issues.

Absolutely you can.
Well I started with a Samsung Fascinate which was Top of the Line when I bought it.

It was an awesome phone for some months. Then I started noticing it freezing. Then it would decide one day after dialing a number to do nothing more, just sit and pause. Id have to pull the battery. Then it would make a call.
It would freeze in the gallery at times, had to pull battery.
Id notice it would get incredibly slow between backing out of one App to open another.....had to pull battery.
Battery pulls were always a quick fix, for a couple days.
And yes, all Apps were closed....and I always kept an eye on the Running Services menu too to ensure even when task manager showed closed they were not still running....which several apps were at times, had to Stop those.

Which was another nagging issue....the need to constantly close apps to keep battery up and performance up.

So after getting tired of that, I went and they sold me the latest and greatest Charge.....the Verizon replacement to the Fascinate. Touted and the fastest 4G phone sold at the time. I tried it out and on day 8, started getting same BS as I did on Fasc. Screen getting jittery, wasn't smooth, slow and of course the need for dreaded battery pulls.

I went back and they swapped it for the HTC Thunderbolt......the other salesman said it was actually the best Droid available and how Samsung was garbage. I was assured Id be happy.
To start, battery life was insanely low. I had everything turned off and barely made it home from work with little use. Tag this thing for an hour and it ate 50% of the battery, slide through some 4G and its history.

Then, the force closes started. Apps hanging up, jumpy screen.

I had enough. I was convinced this is just Droid, so if I'm gonna be stuck with droid, I'm gonna keep same phone and not be out anything.
Ive dealt with 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and all was same....why should 4.0 be any different.

I returned for a refund and had my Fascinate back running.

I wiped it, Factory restored it and put in a class 8 Micro card to help speed things up.

That worked for a week......WITH NO APPS INSTALLED AT ALL!!!!!
And I'm not a heavy app user/installer. I even abolished Facebook App because it always ran in background, even when closed out of task manager.

Then in middle of night, Verizon decided to give us Gingerbread......OH BOY.
And that's where the beginning of the end was for me and Android.
The battery life went to crap. Then I started getting this deal where it showed it was connected to a USB cable....even when it wasn't connected to anything.
Then in middle of night on 98% charge, it turned itself off. I was late for work......cause the alarm wont go off if the phone is off :eek:

This phone would not boot unless you first connected to charger, then it would boot, remove charger and it showed good charge.

Verizon updated the Kernel, and yes, another factory reset. it did not help.
I did one more and that fixed it.......for a week. Now its doing everything again.

At that point, I filed for divorce.
I went that night, added a line and bought myself an iPhone 4s.
Its been bliss since I said I do

My new iPhone 4s runs so smooth. Smoother than any phone Ive ever used. Its very fast, the wifi speeds are faster than on any of the three other phones.
Call quality is phenomenal. battery life is very good. When I download an App, it works.
And now I don't need to close an App every time I'm done. It runs the same speed with all open or all closed, battery life too.

Sorry for the long response, but you asked for it :)
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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Boston, MA
Hmm having my agenda right on the home screen seems more organised than having to press an icon to go into an app.. Am I alone in thinking this? What's the point in having to press an icon when it could be right in front of me??

You must have missed the sarcasm...
 

chuges

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Oct 31, 2011
93
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Not sure if Android has this, but what I would like to see on the iphone:

-option to view the timestamp for all text messages (and I know a lot of other people want this too)

-ability to select certain portions of words within a text message, instead of only being able to copy the entire text. This would be especially helpful for extracting addresses or phone numbers if the text has other erroneous stuff in it

-ability to select a text message within your conversation and for the phone to show only that without the rest of the convo, kind of like how dumbphones used to only show individual texts. sometimes you want to show people a message you sent/received but then it gets awkward if there's other stuff in the conversation that they shouldn't be seeing!
 
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onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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2
It's interesting that one of Apple's core philosophies is to innovate, yet also not change much or quickly.

Just something that strikes me, especially when people say "it works, why fix/change it?" How long can saying that last before it conflicts with innovation?
 

Dmunjal

macrumors 68000
Jun 20, 2010
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Silicon Valley thrives on innovation. I can't even imagine what it would be like if some of the people on this board ran tech companies. Leave well enough alone? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Really?

The one thing we can count on in the tech world is change and constant innovation. We should all be thankful for that.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Original poster
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
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Lincoln, England
Absolutely you can.
Well I started with a Samsung Fascinate which was Top of the Line when I bought it.

It was an awesome phone for some months. Then I started noticing it freezing. Then it would decide one day after dialing a number to do nothing more, just sit and pause. Id have to pull the battery. Then it would make a call.
It would freeze in the gallery at times, had to pull battery.
Id notice it would get incredibly slow between backing out of one App to open another.....had to pull battery.
Battery pulls were always a quick fix, for a couple days.
And yes, all Apps were closed....and I always kept an eye on the Running Services menu too to ensure even when task manager showed closed they were not still running....which several apps were at times, had to Stop those.

Which was another nagging issue....the need to constantly close apps to keep battery up and performance up.

So after getting tired of that, I went and they sold me the latest and greatest Charge.....the Verizon replacement to the Fascinate. Touted and the fastest 4G phone sold at the time. I tried it out and on day 8, started getting same BS as I did on Fasc. Screen getting jittery, wasn't smooth, slow and of course the need for dreaded battery pulls.

I went back and they swapped it for the HTC Thunderbolt......the other salesman said it was actually the best Droid available and how Samsung was garbage. I was assured Id be happy.
To start, battery life was insanely low. I had everything turned off and barely made it home from work with little use. Tag this thing for an hour and it ate 50% of the battery, slide through some 4G and its history.

Then, the force closes started. Apps hanging up, jumpy screen.

I had enough. I was convinced this is just Droid, so if I'm gonna be stuck with droid, I'm gonna keep same phone and not be out anything.
Ive dealt with 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and all was same....why should 4.0 be any different.

I returned for a refund and had my Fascinate back running.

I wiped it, Factory restored it and put in a class 8 Micro card to help speed things up.

That worked for a week......WITH NO APPS INSTALLED AT ALL!!!!!
And I'm not a heavy app user/installer. I even abolished Facebook App because it always ran in background, even when closed out of task manager.

Then in middle of night, Verizon decided to give us Gingerbread......OH BOY.
And that's where the beginning of the end was for me and Android.
The battery life went to crap. Then I started getting this deal where it showed it was connected to a USB cable....even when it wasn't connected to anything.
Then in middle of night on 98% charge, it turned itself off. I was late for work......cause the alarm wont go off if the phone is off :eek:

This phone would not boot unless you first connected to charger, then it would boot, remove charger and it showed good charge.

Verizon updated the Kernel, and yes, another factory reset. it did not help.
I did one more and that fixed it.......for a week. Now its doing everything again.

At that point, I filed for divorce.
I went that night, added a line and bought myself an iPhone 4s.
Its been bliss since I said I do

My new iPhone 4s runs so smooth. Smoother than any phone Ive ever used. Its very fast, the wifi speeds are faster than on any of the three other phones.
Call quality is phenomenal. battery life is very good. When I download an App, it works.
And now I don't need to close an App every time I'm done. It runs the same speed with all open or all closed, battery life too.

Sorry for the long response, but you asked for it :)

Thanks. If I had half of those issues I'd be getting rid of my phone faster than you can eat a gingerbread man :p

One point to note though; you say you had to keep pulling the battery on your phone. What you should do with a smartphone is reboot them once a day, or every couple of days at least. They are computers after all. A reboot gives them a clean slate, frees memory etc.

You must have missed the sarcasm...

D'oh!

It's interesting that one of Apple's core philosophies is to innovate, yet also not change much or quickly.

Just something that strikes me, especially when people say "it works, why fix/change it?" How long can saying that last before it conflicts with innovation?

That's a good point, it has to be one or the other eventually!
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Original poster
Mar 25, 2009
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Lincoln, England
Not sure if Android has this, but I would like to see:

-option to view the timestamp for all text messages (and I know a lot of other people want this too)

-ability to select certain portions of words within a text message, instead of only being able to copy the entire text. This would be especially helpful for extracting addresses or phone numbers if the text has other erroneous stuff in it

-ability to select a text message within your conversation and for the phone to show only that without the rest of the convo, kind of like how dumbphones used to only show individual texts. sometimes you want to show people a message you sent/received but then it gets awkward if there's other stuff in the conversation that they shouldn't be seeing!

The beauty of Android is the ability to replace default apps with ones that better suit your needs. Google doesn't have time to create an SMS app with thousands of features, but an individual developer does.

I use GoSMS. Of the three you listed, only one feature is implemented but there might be acceptable workarounds:

- you can view the time stamp for all messages.
- you can't copy part of a message, but you can tap on a phone number to do things with it. You can also forward/share the message which will then allow you to copy part of it - without actually sending it.
- you can't view an individual message, but you can tap on share message which then copies the message into some other app; could be email, Facebook, twitter or any other service that has installed the ability for you to share things. This isolates the message in effect, which is what you wanted to do anyway.

There are other SMS apps such as handcent which probably does everything you want.
 

patent10021

macrumors 68040
Apr 23, 2004
3,531
809
I'd like to have a feature that when I lose my iPhone I wouldn't care 2 sh^ts about losing it. That would be the best feature that Android currently has :cool:

Unfortunately I'll never see that feature. [sarcasm]

:apple:
 

summitRun

macrumors regular
Aug 28, 2011
132
0
email

I wish I could delete new email from the notification screen. It seems absurd that I have to go into the mail box with a bunch of taps to accomplish this

Does anyone know if Android allows this? I am 2 weeks into my 30 day trial of a 4s and thinking of switching because of how much I hate email on iOS
 

Photogdave

macrumors regular
Dec 20, 2011
155
11
Thanks. If I had half of those issues I'd be getting rid of my phone faster than you can eat a gingerbread man :p

Hahaha. Yeah, so I did. I'm scorned for sure. But it was three different phones so you can see how I'm burned out by the Android experience.

I did do reboots periodically, though not everyday.
But, I haven't turned my iPhone off in a week and its fine.:D
So another plus for Apple. The other was now I have no need to close Apps all the time. I like the fact iPhone can just leave the Apps open and they don't run and eat battery or slow phone down. That's nice.

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let me put icons anywhere i want on the home screen

not that hard apple

Um, you can. Ive arranged all my icons the way I want them. Am I just not understanding what you meant.:confused:
 

SurferMan

macrumors 65816
May 14, 2010
1,267
51
South FL
Um, you can. Ive arranged all my icons the way I want them. Am I just not understanding what you meant.:confused:
He pry means like this, here's two snapshots from themes I have, but with gridlock you can place apps and folders wherever you want on the screen:

3c69db40.jpg

0d799772.jpg
 

xTRIGGER092x

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Jul 21, 2011
205
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-Large, high-quality screens
-More customization (keyboards, themes, etc.) - I wouldn't want amateur crap going around iOS; some Apple-created ones would be nice, though.
-More "open" app store (less censorship and restrictions on what type of apps can and can't be sold, but still reviewed by Apple for anything shady)
-Expandable storage
 

Photogdave

macrumors regular
Dec 20, 2011
155
11
Silicon Valley thrives on innovation. I can't even imagine what it would be like if some of the people on this board ran tech companies. Leave well enough alone? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Really?

The one thing we can count on in the tech world is change and constant innovation. We should all be thankful for that.

Well, I think my comment was misunderstood. I'm all for innovation. As in continuous improvement.
Of course I don't want Apple to keep the same processor for the next 5 years.
No, if you got a better one, I want it. You got a better battery, give it to me.
I just don't want them throwing in stuff just because Android does just to make all of you guys happy. If you really want all those thing, why do you have an iPhone, go get an Android.
I'm afraid if they copy Android, we get Android and all its downfalls
I want Apple to do it the way they do it. Its been proven to work for years. There's a reason why they are industry leading. The whole Apple/Mac, design/approach is different than PC/Windows or Android.
Whatever "it" is, it works. Theres a reason all Hollywood movie editors use Mac towers instead of Dell/Pc towers for Video editing.
They cant all be wrong.
And "that", whatever "it" is.....is also very prevalent in the iPhone over Android phones.

Listen, I'm not here to try and convince anyone that all should use Apple over Android or Mac over PC. I own a PC, and wish I had a Mac.
I see the difference and I like it.
And I know Apple has had issues with things in past, and there may be battery issues too now. I don't have any.
As for battery, most have came down to either a bad update or configuration.
Alot of those complaining are acting like they expect to use the phone all day and have everything on it turned on and get 2 or 3 days out of it.
iPhone battery life...."for me" is right on par or better than all other Smartphones. Ive used enough and read enough of others.

This is where the technology is at the moment, large screens and lots of CPU uses battery. Want 5 days a charge, get a regular phone.
It will get there. And lot of those complaining about battery, STILL HAVE SCREEN BRIGHTNESS AS HIGH AS IT GOES!
Really, that's the first trick to battery life we learned on smartphones....all of them. Screen brightness. I immediately turn off Auto adjust, set brightness to half way on iPhone an its very good. Its still plenty bright.
My Androids I went even lower, about 25%. It helps....we all know, or should know by now, the screen is "THE" biggest battery pull on the device.

Look no device ever built is done so with NO issues. Its built by humans and there are issues.
But when I weigh the issues and track record, Apple wins...won.
Ive been burned by Windows for YEEEAARSsss. No more. The next chunk of coin I have will be for a Mac. I'm tired of that too.

Lets keep our heads straight guys. Lets remember, this is a forum. And people dont get on forums to say how happy they are or great their products are.
Its human nature to forget the good and complain about the bad to no end.
Most 98% of people on here are here to voice their unhappiness and get help with it. And thats it. It is what it is.
We need to try and NOT get caught up in all the bad and at least try to focus on some good too.

Im betting there's more good than bad.
 

iceterminal

macrumors 68000
May 25, 2008
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Dallas Tx.
Still trying to understand why people want their iOS to act like Android. Why don't they just buy android?

I wonder if these are the same people that jump into a pool, then bitch about getting wet.
 

mrochester

macrumors 601
Feb 8, 2009
4,823
2,722
Still trying to understand why people want their iOS to act like Android. Why don't they just buy android?

I wonder if these are the same people that jump into a pool, then bitch about getting wet.

I don't get it either. It's almost like they really really want an iPhone, but just can't bring themselves to buy one. Why are some so lustful and hopeful over a product they will never buy?
 

Photogdave

macrumors regular
Dec 20, 2011
155
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yes, when I said let me put icons anywhere on the screen, I meant place them wherever I want and not have to line them up

easiest JB feature to date....should be added to iOS 5.1, but it won't be :rolleyes:

OK, I see. Well, its not that big a deal for me, but if that's a must for some, so be it.

But I cant help but wonder, why cant we.
There must be a reason Apple deems it a no go.
"I" personally cant see how being able to do so would cause any kind of issues with the iPhone, but they must have a reason. Anyone with higher knowledge on iOS UI care to speculate.:confused:
 
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