It's because Apple has a huge amount of influence over everyone due to the amount of product they move. Apple is in the position to say take it or leave it. Samsung isn't yet, but i suspect that's more in an effort to please people than lack of power. Google with it's Nexus program said F it with carriers which is why you won't see a CDMA Nexus for a while. Is it possible they might make one, perhaps. What we need is LG to say screw skins and just make stock Android outside of the Nexus program. There isn't anything that says hey, we need you to throw a skin on it. They do it for reasons that make me go why?
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It's because Apple has a huge amount of influence over everyone due to the amount of product they move. Apple is in the position to say take it or leave it. Samsung isn't yet, but i suspect that's more in an effort to please people than lack of power. Google with it's Nexus program said F it with carriers which is why you won't see a CDMA Nexus for a while. Is it possible they might make one, perhaps. What we need is LG to say screw skins and just make stock Android outside of the Nexus program. There isn't anything that says hey, we need you to throw a skin on it. They do it for reasons that make me go why?
Who created those one-click solutions? Hackers.
Rooting is a one-click solution.
Jailbreaking is also a one-click solution.
Installing MacOS on my PC is also a one-click solution.
Hacking someone's computer is also a one-click solution.
Installing custom ROM on the PS3 is a one-click solution.
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it isn't a hack.
Doing something that the device isn't meant to is a hack regardless of how easy or hard it is.
What a bunch of crap.
And at least you have to read your own links, extremetech doesn't say that is the most closed open source project, the contrary, it says that VisionMobile study falls apart.
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And this is totally false, you have to learn first what Open Source means.
I initially posted the info graphic, but it was too large, so i posted the link to the article containing the infographic. If you want to read about "openness", go here:
http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/20...ex-measuring-openness-from-android-to-webkit/
I know what open source means. I been working with open source software for over 15 years.
Google needs to learn what Open Source means.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/0...ndroid_honeycomb_on_release_of_first_devices/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...rival-phone-to-prevent-android-fragmentation/
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/proof-android-not-open-source-and-why-thats-good-169663
By the way, where's the source code for Android 4.2?
And this is what your "techextreme" link says it falls apart.
You try hard to show that you don't know about it, that or you're trolling
And they opened later complying with the license
This link has nothing to do with Androd being open source. If you don't know what it is about, you can ask.
This link has nothing to do with Android being Open Source. First, it doesn't say Android source code anywhere in the filing, it says higly PROPRIETARY source code. And you know, Google Apps are not open source and they are not part of Android.
By the way, has been Android 4.2 released? You seem to still confuse open source with open development, and they have nothing to do.
The fact is that Android is Open Source, you can try to deny it.
Nexus 4 is an unlocked Carrier free phone. So show me the "great" unlocked/carrier free CDMA iPhone 5....hint no such phone exist. I don't think you can get an unlocked iPhone 5 at all yet.
And the iPhone 5 LTE isn't supported in all countries now is it? You are setting the bar above Apples reach and wondering why Google isn't hurdling it.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
Unless you think that's every country on the planet with LTE another hint, there is more then the USA. Technically the N4 supports more bands then any single iPhone.
Opening a application on your computer is also a one-click solution. Do you also consider that a hack? My point was that rooting your phone is a very simple process, so it's worthy of calling it hacking your device. Like I said before, rooting is equivalent to gaining administrative privileges on Windows. By default, you don't have these privileges on most Android phones. If you want them, you have follow a process to root.
But let's say that you don't want to root because carriers are anal about it and will void your warranty. Well, an unrooted Android phone is still much more customizable than a jailbroken iPhone. You are only focusing on one aspect of this openness, which is installing a new OS. But there are many other aspects to it.
All I'm saying is that if you want complete control of your device, then you have to root it. On a jailbroken iPhone, you still don't have complete control of it.
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Why don't you post iOS's openness? Why are you comparing Android to Linux, Meego, etc.? Isn't this discussion about Android vs iOS?
Why do people make such a a big deal about it being unlocked and carrier free? The first thing you are going to do with it is take it to a carrier and pay for their service lol. With it being GSM only, your choices in the US are cut in half and limited to a garbage network like t mobile or have to deal with AT&Ts slower speeds. No thanks
If you travel a lot, its important. If you are a low-talk user, it's important.
You buy a nexus 4 and take it to AT&T or T mobile and get a contract for service with them. How is that any different than having any other phone?
Its cheaper if you go with a non-mainstream provider and allows you to go with a carrier of choice, that's how. And the question was why is an unlocked phone important? so you still need the phone unlocked to do this.
Even if you can't appreciate an unlocked device, I don't understand why anyone who hates what carriers do isn't at the very least in support of the Nexus smartphone program.
As I said, if anyone really hates carriers delaying updates to devices, you should be in full support of what Google is trying to do.
Yet, there is this anti-Google and anti-Android spirit fueled by Apple, where even if you're not going to get it, you try to sh** on the Nexus 4 as much as possible.
All the while cursing the carriers for causing precisely the problems they dislike about Android.
As I said, if anyone really hates carriers delaying updates to devices, you should be in full support of what Google is trying to do.
Yet, there is this anti-Google and anti-Android spirit fueled by Apple, where even if you're not going to get it, you try to sh** on the Nexus 4 as much as possible.
All the while cursing the carriers for causing precisely the problems they dislike about Android.
Its GSM only, so your choices in carriers are very limited already, even more so when you rule out AT&T and T Mobile. You are gonna pay for a pretty nice phone and run it on a garbage carrier? Makes zero sense. Off brand carriers are just awful both in voice and data.
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And as i said, this isnt even a discussion unless you have AT&T or T-Mobile. Verizon and Sprint customers cant even buy a Nexus 4 which is pretty ridiculous. Google really dropped the ball on that. Apple can make their iPhones run on both GSM and CDMA networks with LTE and keep the carriers from adding bloatware, why cant Google?
You already know the answer to that.
And... did you even read the rest of my post?
If you like the iPhone 5, all good mate, but if you hate carriers, don't see why you would try to bash the Nexus 4 and or Android/Google when it's precisely them that are trying to help people break away from the carriers. I'm not one to draw conclusions, but it just sounds like you want a reason to hate anything non-Apple. I could be wrong.
You should root your phone, the minute you take it out of the box. Install a stock ROM at the least. As soon as new updates come out, a new ROM will have it immediately, and weeks before carriers will push out an update.
I have owned 7 Android phones over the years. I rooted them all right away, thus never once worried about updates ever again. That's best part of Android.
I have owned 7 Android phones over the years. I rooted them all right away, thus never once worried about updates ever again. That's best part of Android.
Never had any problems with mine. Since they are simply reselling airtime from a major, I'd consider it a non-issue. Of course, YMMV. GSM is fine by me as its the most widely supported standard worldwide.
Tons of folks over at the iPhone forums seem to be using Straight Talk and Simple Mobile without much complaints. Think of the money they're saving too...
It just seems to me michaeljohn wants to play up every excuse/reason to have LTE and the iPhone. I could be wrong.
Straight Talk limits you to 100mb of data a day and 2GB a month. You are kidding right? Thats a plan for a child, not an adult whos online on their phone. Buying the Nexus 4 and taking it to some random carrier sure seems like a lot of settling and doing without and for what? To say you get your updates before everyone else? Doesnt matter how great the phone is if the service sucks. Google needs to get their ****** together and make a phone that runs on CDMA with LTE without carrier interference. As I said, Apple can do it.
It's a little ridiculous to keep reiterating "Apple can do it" as if everyone else is like Apple. I too hope Google can forge relations with carriers (I've said it a number of times how important it is for their future). But you're the only one comparing them to Apple as if they are on equal footing. Talk about not playing fair. Don't forget Verizon turned Apple away the first time too when the iPhone was starting out.
Apple does indeed do it, so go forth and stick with Apple. Not sure why you're in the Alternative forums, complaining about carriers meanwhile complaining about Google who is against the carriers, meanwhile complaining that Google isn't like Apple, meanwhile berating the Nexus 4 which is the first legitimate opportunity for Google to improve branding to precisely have more clout with the carriers like Apple does.
Trolling much?
Apple does indeed do it, so go forth and stick with Apple. Not sure why you're in the Alternative forums, complaining about carriers meanwhile complaining about Google who is against the carriers, meanwhile complaining that Google isn't like Apple, meanwhile berating the Nexus 4 which is the first legitimate opportunity for Google to improve branding to precisely have more clout with the carriers like Apple does.
Trolling much?
Speaking strictly from a UK perspective, this post is why it makes sense (and saves you money) to not have the subsidised handset on offer by the carrier.
There are some insane savings to be had getting a phone free from subsidy and the plans I used in the example above may have an even cheaper alternative elsewhere. I couldn't begin to guess what options your have in the US this though I do admit.
There are some insane savings to be had getting a phone free from subsidy and the plans I used in the example above may have an even cheaper alternative elsewhere. I couldn't begin to guess what options your have in the US this though I do admit.
Hypocritical much? Seems to me this man is making a valid point, and all you're doing is "trolling" his argument because he's insulting your fling. This is a valid argument that is always made on the Internet, and has been for years. What about that can you not understand? You love Google, I'm sure he understands that. No need to be upset that he doesn't.
P.S. I'm also confused as to why you saying the Nexus 4 is the "first" opportunity for Google to change their problem. Have you not heard of the first three they released?
A lot of growing pains with the previous Nexus. And there may yet be more to come with the Nexus 4. I've written a number of times here how much more Google still has to accomplish with the Nexus line.
I have no problem with people complaining about Android. Android has some real problems. But michaeljohn keeps comparing Android to iOS as if the way iOS does things is the only right way to do it, then finishing every thought with an unrealistic and empty question, "Apple can do it, why can't Google?" The reasons why are incredibly obvious. Different business model, different strategy, different approach, and different reputation.
He tried the S3 knowing how Samsung and carriers handle updates (ie. poorly) then comes to complain about it. When offered that the Nexus line handles updates well, he says he can't compromise his carrier and LTE. Well then, it's obvious Android isn't the platform for him. Why come here to complain about it and compare them to Apple knowing that's an unrealistic comparison while not giving Google a fair chance to try to gain the same leverage as Apple has with the carriers?
I've said this a number of times, even if you're not going to purchase a Nexus 4, if you hate carriers for what they do, you should be in support of the Nexus smartphone program. This is possible to do without being a Nexus owner.
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Sounds like sour grapes. I hardly think someone who claims to be a long time Android user would make these strange claims.
I've been using both Android & iOS concurrently since the first day they were each introduced. Both have their pros & cons, yet I find them quite enjoyable. But then again I appreciate their differences and celebrate their individual strengths.
Verizon is notoriously difficult to work with. Just ask Microsoft. Or ask Google last year trying to get the Galaxy Nexus going. It was a debacle, largely with Verizon to blame.
They turned Apple away the first time. The difference is, Apple came back a different company and with far more leverage.
Google =/= Apple. It's silly to keep asking "Apple can do it, why can't Google?"
They're trying to do it. So if you're serious about Google succeeding with carriers to provide CDMA/LTE versions, I don't understand why you'd berate the Nexus 4 so much. Unless of course, you're not serious about it, and every time you ask "why can't Google?" you're just trolling and trying to mock Google...
They turned Apple away the first time. The difference is, Apple came back a different company and with far more leverage.
Google =/= Apple. It's silly to keep asking "Apple can do it, why can't Google?"
They're trying to do it. So if you're serious about Google succeeding with carriers to provide CDMA/LTE versions, I don't understand why you'd berate the Nexus 4 so much. Unless of course, you're not serious about it, and every time you ask "why can't Google?" you're just trolling and trying to mock Google...