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*LTD*

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YouTube != The Internet.

To be honest, whenever I try out YouTube in HTML5 mode on my iMac, it is slow and poor quality.

(PS. This is not an Apple fan site.)

YouTube is a massive chunk.

And forget your iMac. It's all about how it performs on your mobile/tablet device. Where it counts.

It works beautifully on the iPad, for example.

All Apple-centric sites are fan sites. There's no getting around that.
 

yg17

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You can transition now, or you can transition later when you're forced to. Your call. But just understand where the market focus is shifting.

Perhaps you only use your computer to watch YouTube and send e-mail, but some of us are power users and a tablet will never replace a computer.

I'm a software developer. At work, I have a dual display setup, my PC has a boatload of RAM to run our development environment, development servers, other development tools essential to my job, not to mention Outlook, our company internal IM program, and everything else required to do my job. A tablet will never, ever replace that. Never. As long as there are people like us, and other power users, the tablet will never replace the computer. There's more to using a computer than YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn.
 

chris975d

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Perhaps you only use your computer to watch YouTube and send e-mail, but some of us are power users and a tablet will never replace a computer.

I'm a software developer. At work, I have a dual display setup, my PC has a boatload of RAM to run our development environment, development servers, other development tools essential to my job, not to mention Outlook, our company internal IM program, and everything else required to do my job. A tablet will never, ever replace that. Never. As long as there are people like us, and other power users, the tablet will never replace the computer. There's more to using a computer than YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn.

..not to mention you have to have a computer just to put/manage content ON the iPad. I doubt Apple will ever want people to be without a traditional computer, they just want the iPad to be an accessory to that computer..preferably one of their computers! :D
 

Huntn

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May 5, 2008
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The best thing I like about android apps is that you don't need account for downloading free apps as compared to Apple. (where you need to have an apple account in order to download a free app)

This is the BEST thing about an Android app? I don't understand your logic as there are other factors that outweigh this by a mile. While you don't need an account, you also are put in the position of having to vet apps yourself. Many iphone/ipad users are thrilled they don't have to do their own troubleshooting because Apple ensures a level of quality. Android does not.
 

roadbloc

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Aug 24, 2009
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All Apple-centric sites are fan sites. There's no getting around that.

I post on WinRumours as well. Does that make me a Microsoft fan?

I use this as a source of information for what is going on in the world of Apple, since I have a couple of their products and wish to stay up to date with what is going on and why. I am in no way, a fan of Apple, simply because I own a couple of their products and post on this forum.

As for the rest of what you've posted, I do not doubt that tablets will become popular and used widely, even more than computers. But never will they replace computers and computers will never die out. Or at least not in my house.

Oh, and YouTube on my iPhone is rather poor. Maybe they need to update the YouTube app a bit, but it is still slow and the quality is dire.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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Perhaps you only use your computer to watch YouTube and send e-mail, but some of us are power users and a tablet will never replace a computer.

I'm a software developer. At work, I have a dual display setup, my PC has a boatload of RAM to run our development environment, development servers, other development tools essential to my job, not to mention Outlook, our company internal IM program, and everything else required to do my job. A tablet will never, ever replace that. Never. As long as there are people like us, and other power users, the tablet will never replace the computer. There's more to using a computer than YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn.

Those "power user" apps will be on tablets as well in due course.

Eventually all you will ever need in your corporate environment is your tablet.

Look at the list of Apps in the App Store. If all you're using your tablet for is "YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn", then you're only using barely 1/3 of its potential. And all you need is right there. It's only a matter of time before we'll be seeing wholesale industry-specific apps on these things.

Of course it won't replace "computers" just yet. But we're talking a matter of a few years, not a few decades or even a single decade.
 

SevenInchScrew

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Jun 23, 2007
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While you don't need an account, you also are put in the position of having to vet apps yourself.
You DO need a Google account to download apps from the Android Market, though you are free to "sideload" apps all you want with no account. The percentage of people doing that, though, is probably <5%. If the Amazon Appstore didn't require sideloading, I would put that figure at <1%.
Many iphone/ipad users are thrilled they don't have to do their own troubleshooting because Apple ensures a level of quality. Android does not.
An app making it to the iTunes App Store doesn't guarantee it will work any better than any other market place. I had plenty of poor apps back when I had my iPhone.
 

Huntn

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An app making it to the iTunes App Store doesn't guarantee it will work any better than any other market place. I had plenty of poor apps back when I had my iPhone.

I'm no expert but my impression is that for many main stream apps (CNN, Newsweek, HBO Go, etc) quality is not an issue, however for thousands of other 3rd party apps, you can get anything from something that screws up your phone to something that is outright hostile (spyware/viruses). My understanding there is no real oversight of android apps. The latter is something you don't have to worry about on your Apple product. This is the price you pay for not having complete freedom. ;)
 

SevenInchScrew

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I'm no expert but my impression is that for many main stream apps (CNN, Newsweek, HBO Go, etc) quality is not an issue, however for thousands of other 3rd party apps, you can get anything from something that screws up your phone to something that is outright hostile (spyware/viruses). My understanding there is no real oversight of android apps. The latter is something you don't have to worry about on your Apple product. This is the price you pay for not having complete freedom. ;)
I've had as many problems with "main stream" apps as I have with others. Tweetdeck, ESPN, Netflix, as well as others, gave me issues with my iPhone. Hell, I had problems with Apple's own iDisk app. Now, I've had issues with those same types of apps on Android as well, but my point is, while it is nice Apple does some sort of curation on its store, just because something shows up there doesn't automatically guarantee perfection.
 

Huntn

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Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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This is the kind of thing I'm talking about:

Google removing virus infected android apps from phones tablets

Google removes more than 50 infected android apps

From 2010

My son *had* an Android phone. When it screwed up on him, tech support told him the first thing to do was remove all of his apps and then troubleshoot. This puts the user in the position of vetting apps for themselves. Without any input from me, he and his wife are both using iphones and he is not a Mac person. :)


That is pretty piss poor tech support in my book then.

The answer tech support gave him was reformat and reinstall. Nuking is always a last resort move and never and I repeat NEVER be one of the first things done.
Nuking should never be something that comes out of tech supports mouth.


Those "power user" apps will be on tablets as well in due course.

Eventually all you will ever need in your corporate environment is your tablet.

Look at the list of Apps in the App Store. If all you're using your tablet for is "YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn", then you're only using barely 1/3 of its potential. And all you need is right there. It's only a matter of time before we'll be seeing wholesale industry-specific apps on these things.

Of course it won't replace "computers" just yet. But we're talking a matter of a few years, not a few decades or even a single decade.

Thank you for proving to everyone at this site that you really have no clue what you are talking about and just repeating buzz words and crap that comes from Apple Marketing.

Remember Marketing does not know anything and will lie to get you to buy their stuff. They do not care what reality is.

You do not understand development and you CLEARLY do not understand the business world.
 

SevenInchScrew

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2007
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My son *had* an Android phone. When it screwed up on him, tech support told him the first thing to do was remove all of his apps and then troubleshoot. This puts the user in the position of vetting apps for themselves. Without any input from me, he and his wife are both using iphones and he is not a Mac person. :)
Maybe it's because I didn't have Apple Care on my iPhone, but Apple didn't automatically fix my app problems with my iPhone ;). I, just like your son, was stuck trying to figure out if it was my use, or the app itself, causing problems.
 

*LTD*

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Rodimus Prime said:
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about:

Google removing virus infected android apps from phones tablets

Google removes more than 50 infected android apps

From 2010

My son *had* an Android phone. When it screwed up on him, tech support told him the first thing to do was remove all of his apps and then troubleshoot. This puts the user in the position of vetting apps for themselves. Without any input from me, he and his wife are both using iphones and he is not a Mac person. :)


That is pretty piss poor tech support in my book then.

The answer tech support gave him was reformat and reinstall. Nuking is always a last resort move and never and I repeat NEVER be one of the first things done.
Nuking should never be something that comes out of tech supports mouth.


Those "power user" apps will be on tablets as well in due course.

Eventually all you will ever need in your corporate environment is your tablet.

Look at the list of Apps in the App Store. If all you're using your tablet for is "YouTube, e-mail, music, Facebook and porn", then you're only using barely 1/3 of its potential. And all you need is right there. It's only a matter of time before we'll be seeing wholesale industry-specific apps on these things.

Of course it won't replace "computers" just yet. But we're talking a matter of a few years, not a few decades or even a single decade.

Thank you for proving to everyone at this site that you really have no clue what you are talking about and just repeating buzz words and crap that comes from Apple Marketing.

Remember Marketing does not know anything and will lie to get you to buy their stuff. They do not care what reality is.

You do not understand development and you CLEARLY do not understand the business world.

Guess what. "Apple Marketing" is a barometer of where the market is headed. It's been this way for years. You don't need to believe me. Just sit back and watch.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
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Maybe it's because I didn't have Apple Care on my iPhone, but Apple didn't automatically fix my app problems with my iPhone ;). I, just like your son, was stuck trying to figure out if it was my use, or the app itself, causing problems.

I guess my point is, that the odds are you are less likely to have a problem with apps on your iPhone than you will with an Android. Now that is just an impression. :)

I don't currently own an iPhone, but when my Sprint contract runs out in a year, I'll be seriously looking at one and the rumor is that Sprint may have one by the end of the year. So which app was giving you problems? Tell! :p
 

SevenInchScrew

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2007
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Omaha
I guess my point is, that the odds are you are less likely to have a problem with apps on your iPhone than you will with an Android. Now that is just an impression. :)
After using both platforms, that hasn't been my impression. No platform is immune. Both have good and bad apps, and the percentage of good-to-bad is basically the same for me.
I don't currently own an iPhone, but when my Sprint contract runs out in a year, I'll be seriously looking at one and the rumor is that Sprint may have one by the end of the year. So which app was giving you problems? Tell! :p
I mentioned a few in an earlier post. Were you not reading? ;)
 

kalsta

macrumors 68000
May 17, 2010
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Those "power user" apps will be on tablets as well in due course.

Eventually all you will ever need in your corporate environment is your tablet. …

Of course it won't replace "computers" just yet. But we're talking a matter of a few years, not a few decades or even a single decade.

Not a chance. Not in a few years. Not in a few decades. The tablet will continue to grab market share for some time, but it will not completely replace a more traditional form factor (i.e. a vertical display and separate input device).

I can see there's no convincing you, so we'll just have to wait and see.

PS. A little off topic now aren't we?
 

Huntn

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I mentioned a few in an earlier post. Were you not reading? ;)

I did read, but where these apps effecting how your phone runs overall, or where they just running poorly in themselves? Maybe things will change in the future, but without timely Android app overview (prior to release), Apple has the edge on the quality of it's apps.
 

Internal Fury

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I did read, but where these apps effecting how your phone runs overall, or where they just running poorly in themselves? Maybe things will change in the future, but without timely Android app overview (prior to release), Apple has the edge on the quality of it's apps.

ive seen some pretty ****** apple apps lol but yeah overall most are built better
 

Dustman

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Where did I say Flash was originally designed to handle video? Mate, I was creating Flash based websites many years before the iPhone was even a twinkle in Steve's eye, so I do know a little about it.



HTML5 is not yet complete, but elements of it are well supported. To write the whole thing off as not ready for prime time just speaks of ignorance. See this page for an overview of browser support: http://www.findmebyip.com/litmus/ Older versions of IE tend to be what holds back support for modern standards more than anything. That is a real shame, but when it comes to online video, that's not really an excuse, because there are many solutions which use HTML5 by default and only fall back to the Flash Player if someone is using an old browser. Many developers have put countless hours of work into producing solutions like these to pave the transition, mostly because a company like Microsoft is so damn slow at implementing standards and even slower at getting its users to adopt. These solutions are ready to use now.

There's a reason people still use IE 6. I can fully understand being a computer illiterate person using IE 6, hitting that 'Update IE' button and having IE7/8 launch with the poor bastard thinking, where did all my buttons go? only to revert back to IE 6 because you don't have to go through almost invisible menus to find things where there used to just be a button for it. FireFox has headed this way too. Simplistic is only a good thing if it's still clear how to access the stuff you were able to before. Also, anyone who's used IE 7 or 8 knows its dreadful, and takes as long to launch as it does to boot the whole PC.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that it's microsoft's fault that people are still using old browsers, and they're only compounding the issue by leaving xp users out of the IE 9 update. Its not the users fault. A lot of people are simply not comfortable with Chrome or the new FF because they can't find their bookmarks menu, or even a file menu.

EDIT: it is worth noting though that for people who do have a brain and can use a computer, the new firefox and chrome are great!, just making a point about the average 40 yearold xp user.
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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There's a reason people still use IE 6. I can fully understand being a computer illiterate person using IE 6, hitting that 'Update IE' button and having IE7/8 launch with the poor bastard thinking, where did all my buttons go? only to revert back to IE 6 because you don't have to go through almost invisible menus to find things where there used to just be a button for it. FireFox has headed this way too. Simplistic is only a good thing if it's still clear how to access the stuff you were able to before. Also, anyone who's used IE 7 or 8 knows its dreadful, and takes as long to launch as it does to boot the whole PC.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that it's microsoft's fault that people are still using old browsers, and they're only compounding the issue by leaving xp users out of the IE 9 update. Its not the users fault. A lot of people are simply not comfortable with Chrome or the new FF because they can't find their bookmarks menu, or even a file menu.

EDIT: it is worth noting though that for people who do have a brain and can use a computer, the new firefox and chrome are great!, just making a point about the average 40 yearold xp user.

It is more than just that. MS made some pretty big changes going from IE6 to IE7 going more standards complient. This caused a lot of things to stop working for companies that had stuff that would only work in IE. They can not make the switch because their stuff was poorly designed and have to re write everything but MS is more or less forcing them to because they are doing the correct thing.
 

kalsta

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There's a reason people still use IE 6. I can fully understand …

Sure, I can understand it too. But it irks me because it keeps the rest of the world from moving forward. What I've long wanted to see are some of the really big sites have the balls to just go, 'You know what, enough is enough. If people want to use our sites they're going to have to run a modern standards-compliant browser.' Yeah it's cocky, and not too many corporate decision makers are going to do that.

Enter Steve Jobs! He doesn't mind telling people what they can and can't have… So, Apple gives Adobe Flash the finger, and tells the world if you want your site to work on an iPad, pull your finger out and make it standards-compliant HTML/CSS (with maybe a dash of JavaScript). What his real reasons were for doing that have been debated to death, so I'm not going to go there. But as a supporter of modern standards, I have to smile. :)

It is more than just that. MS made some pretty big changes going from IE6 to IE7 going more standards complient. This caused a lot of things to stop working for companies that had stuff that would only work in IE. They can not make the switch because their stuff was poorly designed and have to re write everything but MS is more or less forcing them to because they are doing the correct thing.

Too little, too late. Yes, Microsoft finally started moving in the right direction, but not after causing an untold amount of damage through their, shall we say, 'unique' way of doing things.

The damage was not just to sites that 'only work in IE'. Many developers work by creating a standards-compliant site first, and then working around IE's quirks through various techniques, which happen to include exploiting various bugs in IE. Guess what Microsoft typically does when they release a new version of IE? They fix some but not all of the rendering problems, and then remove the bugs which developers were exploiting to fix the rendering problems… and what you end up with is a hodge-podge of half-working sites, and developers having to come up with brand new ways to fix the things that still don't work, while also trying to keep things backwards-compatible for all those users who haven't updated. Thankfully, Microsoft did give us a way of detecting versions of IE, and applying separate rules to each version… but oh my, what an admission of the complete mess that Microsoft created.

Thank goodness Google didn't add yet another rendering engine to the mix when they created Chrome, but instead chose to use WebKit (the same engine Safari uses). This makes developing for both those browsers an absolute dream by comparison.
 

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Guess what. "Apple Marketing" is a barometer of where the market is headed. It's been this way for years. You don't need to believe me. Just sit back and watch.

Yes because SAP is going to be really good on a Touch based device isn't it?! And coding those lovely ABAP/4 applications or C++ / Java programmes on a crappy touch keyboard is going to do wonders for the posture of all those developers. fool. Maybe for personal people, i can see where a tablet would replace the PC in the home but until you get experience of a proper corporate environment stop with these extremist-fanboy comments.
 
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