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xxray

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.

For years up to a couple years ago, it seemed like iOS and Android would be neck all the time. Android was heralded for its freedom of choice. But over time, it’s become more like iOS being more restrictive while iOS has slowly been gaining more freedoms.

Samsung was always the one to release the best hardware you could ask for in a device and usually at a really good price. But now they introduced products like the recent Note that simply doesn’t live up to its history of being insane everything-you-could-ask-for hardware at a good price and charges a ridiculous amount for a cheaper product.

Pixels used to be known for their cameras, but iPhone and other phones caught up, Google hasn’t really improved much with the cameras since the Pixel 2 or 3. Google has stopped trying to compete with Apple by going to a non-flagship processor. Their marketing also seems to have died down.

A lot of Android phones copied things they made fun of the iPhone for and things Android enthusiasts loathed (removal of the headphone jack, notch, no charger in the box).

There seem to be less value in Android anymore. For instance, pretty much every phone OnePlus released was an instant recommendation for someone who wanted a flagship for less money. Now, they’re basically just another flagship but at a lower quality for a similar price. Even their “value” phones are no longer instant recommendations anymore.

iOS seems to be innovating while Google is not. For example, privacy standards. Android used to always be in the news for all of their innovation and features that iOS doesn’t have. I can’t remember the last time I heard Android news about a new big feature. Maybe it was that feature from like 2018 where Google Assistant could schedule an appointment over the phone with you.

It just seems like iPhone has gained mostly all of the features that Android had that it didn’t while also providing more value for the money while Androids have gotten more expensive while also becoming worse products. iPhone also pretty much has a phone at every price now too compared to in the past when they really were known for being only the premium expensive product. It’s hard to compete with iPhones in every price range with incredible software support and updates, customer service, solid hardware, and reliability.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
 

Tig Bitties

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Software I prefer stock Android #1 far more than iOS. Vanilla Android is just so smooth and stable and great usability. Where iOS feels like something stuck from a decade ago very outdated.

Hardware I'll take an iPhone Max. Apple builds the best quality phones with great components.

Best phone would be the iPhone 13 Pro Max running stock Android 12.

My take;

Apple builds great phones, but has a crap OS. Where Google builds mediocre phones, but has the best OS.
 

TiggrToo

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Software I prefer stock Android #1 far more than iOS. Vanilla Android is just so smooth and stable and great usability. Where iOS feels like something stuck from a decade ago very outdated.

Hardware I'll take an iPhone Max. Apple builds the best quality phones with great components.

Best phone would be the iPhone 13 Pro Max running stock Android 12.

My take;

Apple builds great phones, but has a crap OS. Where Google builds mediocre phones, but has the best OS.
Outdated, or relatively stable?

My iPhone 7 Plus from October 2016 will still get the next OS update come September time - that’ll be its 5th upgrade (it came with iOS 10).


You’d be hard pushed to find any 4 year old device still supported this way by the seller..
 

Tig Bitties

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Outdated, or relatively stable?

My iPhone 7 Plus from October 2016 will still get the next OS update come September time - that’ll be its 5th upgrade (it came with iOS 10).


You’d be hard pushed to find any 4 year old device still supported this way by the seller..
I understand, and that's great support no doubt.

But I never keep a phone 4 years, usually just a year or maybe two at most. So I don't need more then 3 years Google's doing.
 

glsillygili

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I've thought the same for awhile now and feel the same as well. A lot of features you list are the reason people were attracted to android are now gone, one of the ones I was fond of the most was the IR blaster on phones and removable batteries as well. I even switched to Android from 2013 until 2017 before going back to iPhone. These days it seems like Androids are just trying to be iPhones when they shouldn't be. Everyone I knew who had an Android 5 years ago now have iPhones maybe because of peer pressure or because Android isn't as attractive as it used to be. I don't know.
 

rafark

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Apple builds great phones, but

has a crap OS

. Where Google builds mediocre phones, but has the best OS.

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Dude I think I’m triggered lol. I think it’s the entire opposite. The single most important feature of the iPhone is and has always been iOS. Remember PALM? Remember you had to scroll using a tiny scroll bar (and yes, with a stylus. Yuck!). Remember when touchscreens weren’t multitouch? When touch devices were awful to use (you had to either press very hard and/or wait 1-2 seconds just to get a response from the UI? When text-based mobile browsers (pre iPhone) were a joke? No pinch to zoom? When downloading and installing mobile software (aka apps) and media was very hard? SMS? Android (and the entire smartphone industry) was shaped after the iPhone and its buttery smooth, super snappy, innovative and intuitive OS.
 

Ethosik

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Dude I think I’m triggered lol. I think it’s the entire opposite. The single most important feature of the iPhone is and has always been iOS. Remember PALM? Remember you had to scroll using a tiny scroll bar (and yes, with a stylus. Yuck!). Remember when touchscreens weren’t multitouch? When touch devices were awful to use (you had to either press very hard and/or wait 1-2 seconds just to get a response from the UI? When text-based mobile browsers (pre iPhone) were a joke? No pinch to zoom? When downloading and installing mobile software (aka apps) and media was very hard? SMS? Android (and the entire smartphone industry) was shaped after the iPhone and its buttery smooth, super snappy, innovative and intuitive OS.
I agree with you. The iPhone hardware has been a complete yawnfest for me since iPhone 6. Wow a third lens in the phone and that is the biggest thing? Sorry, I found the iPhone 6 camera to be good enough for my family and friends pictures. I am not a professional photographer so the camera talk every year is just exhausting. I like some Android phones - hardware wise better.
 

alien3dx

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Dude I think I’m triggered lol. I think it’s the entire opposite. The single most important feature of the iPhone is and has always been iOS. Remember PALM? Remember you had to scroll using a tiny scroll bar (and yes, with a stylus. Yuck!). Remember when touchscreens weren’t multitouch? When touch devices were awful to use (you had to either press very hard and/or wait 1-2 seconds just to get a response from the UI? When text-based mobile browsers (pre iPhone) were a joke? No pinch to zoom? When downloading and installing mobile software (aka apps) and media was very hard? SMS? Android (and the entire smartphone industry) was shaped after the iPhone and its buttery smooth, super snappy, innovative and intuitive OS.
windows mobile os much better in that era . lol . A lot of inventory apps enterprise that era and some still use till now .
 
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ian87w

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Android is not in the decline. In many countries, Android is the only option for a smartphone since Apple completely outpriced their own lineup. In my country, the base 64GB iPhone 12 cost more than $900, while the 256GB Galaxy S21 5G cost less than $850. The cheapest base 64GB iPhone SE 2020 cost about $460. Meanwhile, you can get a 256GB Poco F3 for $385. For people in the mid to lower range, there's no contest. At face value, Android offers more for the money (disregarding OS support).

In terms of improvement in software, it is obvious that both iOS and Android have matured. We are no longer in the days of waiting for basic features like cut-n-paste or multi-touch support. The game is now in ML, which is transparent to the end user. The basic smartphone features are already on par. Now both platforms are focusing on creature comforts. And for Android, you cannot look at stock Android. Since Google tend to be slower in putting features, each OEMs are doing their own thing. Samsung OneUI is one of the most full featured Android, with plenty of customisations, advance features, and many that noe even stock Android has. Since each OEM wants to emphasise their own style and skin, Android versions are starting to not matter too much other than for Pixel users. Samsung users will mostly see the similar OneUI, regardless if they have Android 10 or 11. Xiaomi users will mostly just see MiUI, and they look the same even if the phone has Android 11 or older Android.

Since the phone itself is matured, companies that have ecosystem of devices like Apple start to focus more on the integration of the various devices. This is where Apple has the obvious upper hand. Google lacks severely in this as they are just making the software. Google just announced a collaboration with Samsung for Android Wear on Samsung Galaxy Watches, but that's another fresh start, while Apple Watch is already way ahead. And for integration with PCs, there's another player called Microsoft. It is difficult to have such seamless integration when you have three major companies' hands in the jar. Meanwhile, Apple just showed us Universal Control, and it's like magic.

So Android itself is not in the decline. But since the focus so far is just on phones, it's maturing with less and less room for advancement. Android on tablets are largely ignored, and wearables are restarting from scratch. Google should spin off Pixel as a separate company, and thus it can focus on hardware. Right now, Pixel is obviously just a "hobby" for Google.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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The key thing I’ve noticed is people around me seem to be using older devices generally. Mostly older iPhones or even buying the older models because the prices are just crazy. I’m the only person out of all my friends with a current iPhone and most of my colleagues are either using 2-3 year old iPhones or Samsung’s. These people can easily afford new phones but the impression I have is everybody knows older phones are still capable of doing all the fundamentals needed.

If you’re not particularly into phones from a tech point of view, do you pay £800 for an iPhone 12 or £499 for an iPhone XR, or even £399 for the SE? All these devices do much the same thing and people know this I think. I know quite a few people where I work who are using S8’s and S9’s too.
 

alien3dx

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The key thing I’ve noticed is people around me seem to be using older devices generally. Mostly older iPhones or even buying the older models because the prices are just crazy. I’m the only person out of all my friends with a current iPhone and most of my colleagues are either using 2-3 year old iPhones or Samsung’s. These people can easily afford new phones but the impression I have is everybody knows older phones are still capable of doing all the fundamentals needed.

If you’re not particularly into phones from a tech point of view, do you pay £800 for an iPhone 12 or £499 for an iPhone XR, or even £399 for the SE? All these devices do much the same thing and people know this I think. I know quite a few people where I work who are using S8’s and S9’s too.
i bought new xr this year. 5g is not available much and i have fibre optic on my home. Can buy 11 or 12 but not because i'm not taking picture and cannot go anywhere since this covid 19 mess up.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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i bought new xr this year. 5g is not available much and i have fibre optic on my home. Can buy 11 or 12 but not because i'm not taking picture and cannot go anywhere since this covid 19 mess up.
5G is nonexistent where I live and my iPhone 12 has never even connected to it. It’s not really a selling point yet as so few places seem to have it.
 

bousozoku

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I went from Android 6 to Android 10 on a small tablet and it feels as though Android is finally a complete, stable operating system. The promise of additional logical storage using microSD cards is working. It runs smoothly, finally, on devices without major power.

Google are still trying to figure out what they're doing, and Apple has those moments occasionally, as everyone has to try new things. Google has the most difficult path, since it's like Windows, supporting many different hardware configurations.
 

The Game 161

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Honestly I don’t think that much has changed. Apple has caught up in a lot of features over the past few years such as widgets, PIP, wireless charging, amazing chip sets

That said they are still behind in a lot as well.

120hz for one we have had to wait until 2021 to get this when it’s been on iPad since 2017 and other android phones for at last 3 years.

Still no spilt screen on anything but the iPad and no pop up windows or able to use the iPad with anything but two apps at same time. Granted multitasking is better With iOS 15 but not as much as hard hoped.

Zoom technology is still not here on the iPhone and been on android for as few years now. And by the sounds wont be on the iPhone for 1-2 more years.

Under display camera I don’t think will be too far away and we could see it on android samsung line as early as end of this year/next year.

Foldable we could see the iPhone come out with one but not until 2023/2024 most likely. While Samsung have made big improvements with their fold line and other android makers are also breaking through now.

So in terms of breaking through technology android is still ahead.
 

laptech

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Android is not in decline, it's just they do not need to bang on about phones or the OS like Apple do.

The one thing that Android has going for it is the use of micro SD card slot. Not only does it allow the owner to increase it's storage size very cheaply, it also allows ease of use when wanting to transfer video or pictures from phone to computer because a huge majority of android and windows based devices and computers have an SD card slot. There is no need to carry around a usb cable. If i've been on holiday and used my android phone to take pictures and videos, when I am back home and I am visting friends and relatives and they want to see the videos and pictures of the holiday, instead of showing them on the small screen of the phone, I can take the micro SD card out, put it either in their windows based computer or their smart TV which has an SD card slot and instantly being to view the videos and pictures, no cables required, no internet access required for icloud or user names and passwords required to access such services, no need to bluetooth pair devices either. Not so simple when it comes to an Apple iphone though.
 

ian87w

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Android is not in decline, it's just they do not need to bang on about phones or the OS like Apple do.

The one thing that Android has going for it is the use of micro SD card slot. Not only does it allow the owner to increase it's storage size very cheaply, it also allows ease of use when wanting to transfer video or pictures from phone to computer because a huge majority of android and windows based devices and computers have an SD card slot. There is no need to carry around a usb cable. If i've been on holiday and used my android phone to take pictures and videos, when I am back home and I am visting friends and relatives and they want to see the videos and pictures of the holiday, instead of showing them on the small screen of the phone, I can take the micro SD card out, put it either in their windows based computer or their smart TV which has an SD card slot and instantly being to view the videos and pictures, no cables required, no internet access required for icloud or user names and passwords required to access such services, no need to bluetooth pair devices either. Not so simple when it comes to an Apple iphone though.
SD card? 5 years ago, sure, but now, even Samsung has dropped SD card slot in many of their flagship models. Google has not supported SD card since, I don't know, the Galaxy Nexus? SD card is arguably not as useful anymore on modern Android. Majority of apps cannot be moved to it. And due to newer Android restrictions, many apps cannot fully utilize the SD card freely. In many phones, burst shots from the camera cannot be saved to SD. On Samsung phones, the Onedrive gallery sync doesn't support SD card. The list is endless. SD card was basically just cheap OEMs putting it as an excuse for them to advertise "expandable storage."

With many mid rangers starting with 128GB storage nowadays, I'd argue SD card is no longer a selling point on Android for most people.
 

sracer

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.
It's difficult to notice something that isn't actually happening. WWDC 2021 shows that Apple is still working to get iOS to catch up to where Android is. That is not to say that Apple is unable to do that immediately. Their slow progress is deliberate, to sell more hardware over a longer period of time.


Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
I probably have a different definition of "enthusiast" than you do. Perhaps it's a simple matter of a personal preference for Apple and the iPhone.

My first smartphone was a Windows Mobile 2003-equipped HTC Typhoon (marketed as the Audiovox SMT-5600). Four years after its release, it was still a "smarter" smartphone than the first iPhone when it was released. It took years for Apple to add functionality to iOS that was readily available and established in alternatives.

When Android was released, it came out with similar functionality/capabilities of the more mature OSes that preceded it... including iOS. I then replaced my HTC Typhoon with an HTC Dream (marketed as the G1). It was an amazing device that frankly, blew the iPhone away. I'd buy a new, modern version of it today.

Over time, Apple added functionality, but it still lagged behind Android. It was when Apple produced the iPhone 4 that I became interested in the iPhone for the first time. The combination of the hardware, form-factor, camera, and basic software made it a compelling offering. I enjoyed that for a few years.

But Android devices continued to grow and push the envelope on design. I moved back to Android-based smartphones. Nothing Apple offered during that time compared to what was happening on the Android side. When Apple produced the iPhone SE in 2016, it was the first (and so far, the last) iPhone that attracted me back.

When it came time to replace the SE, Apple wasn't offering anything to match what was available for Android so back I went.

I'm not a fan of any particular company or platform. At the time I need something, I consider what I need to do, compare that list with the devices available, and pick the one that best meets those needs and wants at the proper price point. (money is generally no object for me because I don't just think that the more expensive something is the more capable it is... the result... I spend money wisely, freeing up funds to spend more when more is required.)

But that's me. :)
 
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Smellmet

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SD card? 5 years ago, sure, but now, even Samsung has dropped SD card slot in many of their flagship models. Google has not supported SD card since, I don't know, the Galaxy Nexus? SD card is arguably not as useful anymore on modern Android. Majority of apps cannot be moved to it. And due to newer Android restrictions, many apps cannot fully utilize the SD card freely. In many phones, burst shots from the camera cannot be saved to SD. On Samsung phones, the Onedrive gallery sync doesn't support SD card. The list is endless. SD card was basically just cheap OEMs putting it as an excuse for them to advertise "expandable storage."

With many mid rangers starting with 128GB storage nowadays, I'd argue SD card is no longer a selling point on Android for most people.

SD card support is a must have for me. I have my entire music library on mine (synced from iTunes to media monkey), which is around 120GB, and a photo library of my entire life, which is around 80GB.

The 128GB of my A71, whilst plenty for the phones day to day needs with apps (it's currently less than half full) is nowhere near what I need for all my other stuff.

Cloud storage is a non starter for me - just another bill, as is music streaming.
 
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ian87w

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SD card support is a must have for me. I have my entire music library on mine (synced from iTunes to media monkey), which is around 120GB, and a photo library of my entire life, which is around 80GB.

The 128GB of my A71, whilst plenty for the phones day to day needs with apps (it's currently less than half full) is nowhere near what I need for all my other stuff.

Cloud storage is a non starter for me - just another bill, as is music streaming.
If that works for you, great, but personally I'd rather just get a 256GB phone then. Also, SD card doesn't last forever. If you have your entire live's photos in it, start making a backup. I have had random errors on multiple SD cards on my A71 that I stopped using one. It's not worth the hassle when it fails the moment you actually need it.
 

Grey Area

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SD card? 5 years ago, sure, but now, even Samsung has dropped SD card slot in many of their flagship models. Google has not supported SD card since, I don't know, the Galaxy Nexus? SD card is arguably not as useful anymore on modern Android. Majority of apps cannot be moved to it. And due to newer Android restrictions, many apps cannot fully utilize the SD card freely. In many phones, burst shots from the camera cannot be saved to SD. On Samsung phones, the Onedrive gallery sync doesn't support SD card. The list is endless. SD card was basically just cheap OEMs putting it as an excuse for them to advertise "expandable storage."

With many mid rangers starting with 128GB storage nowadays, I'd argue SD card is no longer a selling point on Android for most people.
I suspect you are right. Personally I appreciate the card - as a data hoarder, how else would I get 1TB in a phone? :D But Google messing with the permissions is the worst. Often there are methods to resolve the issues, but as Google keeps changing its mind in each version upgrade, the app developers can hardly keep up. Samsung's OneDrive-integration is indeed absurd, given that the standalone OneDrive app has no problem syncing the gallery on card.

I also hardly ever use my card for data export. On my particular phone the card slot is under the (removable) battery, and it is a major hassle to get it out compared to using any of the wireless options or a cable.
 
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