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Klyster

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I would say that where the old flagship brands have left, newer flagship brands have taken their place and do a better job at being flagships, but the lower and mid-tier phones are better value and are more appealing to tge masses.

Samsung is still clinging on but they face stiff competition, and not from Apple, but from the flourishing newer Android brands.

Apple is stable numbers wise and dominate profit wise, but marketshare wise, pose no immediate threat due to their pricing and lack of value, which correlates directly to their pricing, especially within developing markets, which in cases like India, account for billions of users.

If we were discussing just flagships, Apple would be the undoubted winner and Android would be in decline but it's the budget and mid-tier markets which sell the most phones globally, and global sales determine the marketshare.

If Apple were to make decent lower priced phones, that were competitive against their Android counterparts, unlike the SE and MINI, then Andriod would more than likely decline, but Apple won't do that, that is the antithesis of Apple's business practices, and would lead to the eventual decline in their flagship demand.

This, imo, is what's happening with Samsung, the A series is enough for people, they don't really need S series when an A52 is good enough.

Then you have competitors making phones that are equally as appealing, there's only so many of us who are silly enough to buy a flagship every year.

My take is Apple own the flagship market but they'll never challenge the overall dominance of the global marketshare, and I don't think they really care to anyway as long as they are making ridiculous amounts of money.

That said, I'll probably buy another flagship this year.

Android in decline? ?
 
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nickdalzell1

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I think smartphones in general are in decline sales wise. The whole market has been stagnating and has little to offer in upgrades aside more cameras and larger screens. The whole tech part of it has plateaued.

They're all just glass sandwiches today. Folding phones are too expensive, there's COVID, and so on. People just ain't upgrading like they did back in 2007-14 when each iteration offered something, and many OEMs are removing features for some asinine reason!

Until the 'next big thing' comes along, people just won't see any reason to upgrade when their current stuff works perfectly fine. I'm in that category--I haven't bought anything since 2020 March. Most of what I did buy then were tools. Not electronics. I've been off that wagon for awhile.

I still miss the days of real smartphone variety though. Want a small screen? You got it! Want a larger screen? Got that too! Hate on-screen keyboards? There's a slider for you! Want a folding phone? Yup! LG made one in 2012! Want your phone to double as a projector? Sure! Galaxy Beam and Moto Z w/Mods has ya covered!

Sadly those days are long gone and all we got are stagnation and homogenization. It's not interesting anymore, and boring. What more do we need? Welp, perhaps some folks unafraid to differentiate and experiment. I do remember one time back in the early 80s, this company with a fruit logo who wasn't afraid to change how the world used a computer and later a phone.
 

rockitdog

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I just picked up a Pixel 4a yesterday. I forgot how much fun I have when I am on Android. I think Apple has peaked based on iOS 15. Seems like both operating systems have reached a fully matured state at this point.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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I just picked up a Pixel 4a yesterday. I forgot how much fun I have when I am on Android. I think Apple has peaked based on iOS 15. Seems like both operating systems have reached a fully matured state at this point.

Indeed. I think we’ve all been doing the same fundamental tasks on our smartphones for years now and we all know what we want out of a device. It’s only really enthusiasts that obsess over the differences and these days it’s just messaging tweaks and camera technology that changes each year and that’s slightly.
 

nickdalzell1

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>70% of the planet uses Android, so not sure what you mean.
It's hard to see that in the USA, where everyone I know has an iPhone + Apple Watch. I feel like the only one in my area with a Galaxy Watch.

What few Androids I see are often beat up cheapies ala ZTE or Moto held by 6 year-olds (am I the only one disturbed by kids having phones at that age?)

Once I have a device set up the way I like it, I don't let any updates or other surprises change it. In fact, the S20 FE 5G is the first 'modern' phone I've actually loved so far.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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It's hard to see that in the USA, where everyone I know has an iPhone + Apple Watch. I feel like the only one in my area with a Galaxy Watch.

What few Androids I see are often beat up cheapies ala ZTE or Moto held by 6 year-olds (am I the only one disturbed by kids having phones at that age?)

Once I have a device set up the way I like it, I don't let any updates or other surprises change it. In fact, the S20 FE 5G is the first 'modern' phone I've actually loved so far.

The US market is half the size of Europe’s and the World is even bigger beyond that. The iPhone is popular in the UK but Android is bigger throughout the rest of Europe, so it’s best not to just look at one country to define any form of technological popularity.
 

nickdalzell1

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I was just explaining why there's a bias to think Apple sells more. From one's perspective it can look different from the reality.
 
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