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bousozoku

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I would say the nexus 7 was midrange. It was advertised as bang for the buck. Not something that just works and is ok like the fire tablets. The 2013 nexus 7 had a 1080p display, wireless charging and a midrange processor. 1080p on a 7 inch android tablet was rare in 2013. Heck they were just about getting 1080p on 10 inch tablets. However having said that about Amazon tablets, when they first came out they were actually high end tablets. They were direct competitors to the iPad and they were priced highly. It’s only been since 2015 that they took the budget route. The fire HDX tablets were high end.
Actually, Nexus 7 had a 1920x1200 7 inch display and a Snapdragon S4Pro. My latest tablet has a 1920x1200 8 inch display and a MediaTek 8 core processor with the same Adreno GPU, replicating 2013 very well.
 

MacModMachine

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I had the S20 ultra during launch , came with bad pixels on screen. getting it replaced took over a month. Thats the big difference between ANY android phone and apple. Support.

I dont care about anything else, my devices need to work and apple will make sure of that if i buy their overpriced applecare that no matter which country im in ill get support.
 
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Knowlege Bomb

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If you choose friends according to what devices and phones they use I've got some bad news for you…

Right..... because you can always tell real friends by what phone they use.....what car they drive....what clothes they wear......what size their house is...what neighborhood they live in..... nothing superficial about that at all...
If you take comments preceded by "lol" and followed by emojis literally, I've got some bad news for you.
 

Septembersrain

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The old Android devices with removable battery could live a lot longer. I still have a Note 3 that is usable. Only issue is slight burn in but that was expected.
 

Pipefish

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As a long time Android user who’s recently come back to iPhone I can honestly say that Android was way way ahead in software and hardware for many many years. The iPhone 12 series is the first iPhone that’s on a par with a flagship Android in my opinion.

I don’t think Android is in decline though. Just Apple have maybe got a bit quicker and are catching up.
 

Vegastouch

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.

For years up to a couple years ago, it seemed like iOS and Android would be neck all the time. Android was heralded for its freedom of choice. But over time, it’s become more like iOS being more restrictive while iOS has slowly been gaining more freedoms.

Samsung was always the one to release the best hardware you could ask for in a device and usually at a really good price. But now they introduced products like the recent Note that simply doesn’t live up to its history of being insane everything-you-could-ask-for hardware at a good price and charges a ridiculous amount for a cheaper product.

Pixels used to be known for their cameras, but iPhone and other phones caught up, Google hasn’t really improved much with the cameras since the Pixel 2 or 3. Google has stopped trying to compete with Apple by going to a non-flagship processor. Their marketing also seems to have died down.

A lot of Android phones copied things they made fun of the iPhone for and things Android enthusiasts loathed (removal of the headphone jack, notch, no charger in the box).

There seem to be less value in Android anymore. For instance, pretty much every phone OnePlus released was an instant recommendation for someone who wanted a flagship for less money. Now, they’re basically just another flagship but at a lower quality for a similar price. Even their “value” phones are no longer instant recommendations anymore.

iOS seems to be innovating while Google is not. For example, privacy standards. Android used to always be in the news for all of their innovation and features that iOS doesn’t have. I can’t remember the last time I heard Android news about a new big feature. Maybe it was that feature from like 2018 where Google Assistant could schedule an appointment over the phone with you.

It just seems like iPhone has gained mostly all of the features that Android had that it didn’t while also providing more value for the money while Androids have gotten more expensive while also becoming worse products. iPhone also pretty much has a phone at every price now too compared to in the past when they really were known for being only the premium expensive product. It’s hard to compete with iPhones in every price range with incredible software support and updates, customer service, solid hardware, and reliability.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
Ill go with the bolded. i feel the opposite of this post. I just think having a phone is so routine the fanfare has died down. You dont see big lines on launch day for a iPhone like you used to and Siri imo is still garbage.

Ive felt Android has been ahead of iOS for a some time now with features and software. I found a likeness for Pixels over Samsung lately with some features i love on them. Doesn't hurt that they are cheaper as well.

I dont know, having a phone these days is like carrying your wallet. Gotta have it and really i dont pay much attention to these things like i used to as it just isnt important to me.
 

SteveJUAE

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I had the S20 ultra during launch , came with bad pixels on screen. getting it replaced took over a month. Thats the big difference between ANY android phone and apple. Support.

I dont care about anything else, my devices need to work and apple will make sure of that if i buy their overpriced applecare that no matter which country im in ill get support.
If your referring to telephone support (technically only 1st 90 days) then your probably correct for most countries

If your implying walk-in service, genius bar, 14 days return policy, easy exchange and all the high end good support often posted here, then you are sadly mistaken

It's one of the biggest rip-offs for many IPhone owners who pay the same if not more than typical US prices for their phones and only get a fraction the support services in many countries

Unlike Apple laptops that have easy international warranties IPhones do not unless its an official unlocked one and then you maybe refused service at Apple's discretion and that risk increases with countries with no Apple store etc

Many countries all your Iphone gets is DOA, 1 year mail in service and 90 days free telephone help. Even with AppleCare if the country has no warranty service center or does not sell AppleCare or it's a foreign carrier locked iPhone then it's unlikely you will get support internationally.

Apple support varies greatly country to country as do Samsung.

If you are fortunate to live where Samsung include concierge support not only is your phone picked up and returned in days by a courier you can also get a lone phone. I understand like Applecare Samsung has extended this service to some other countries.

With Apple where many think it's a benefit spending your time and money to visit a store after booking an appointment in the hope of a quick fix Samsung solution (where available) is far better especially in these troubled times

Even when push comes to shove Apple's poor support for right to repair even limits adhoc repairs in an emergency where you stand a better chance with Samsung and others.

I agree generally Apple service is 2nd to none but it is far from universal as many think it is
 
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spinedoc77

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There are those foldable smartphones, but I am still not convinced. I do not like the idea of unfolding the smartphone every time I have to fully use it. Smartphones are far more practical the way they are, at least for me. The foldable phone just looks like a good solution in search of a problem, some tech advancement that Samsung is planning to shove down our throats. I do not like the curved edges on the screens as well; it looks like a show-off more than something practical.

I still find this statement confusing... "a solution in search of a problem" ... when addressing shrinking phones (I don't use "foldable" because the paradigm is the phone gets smaller and this very well could be rollable or some other form factor). With no disrespect meant to you, my comments are more in general for every time I hear this, it's just inaccurate and very short sighted. The "problem" is simple, a larger screen is better than a smaller screen, but a larger screen isn't as portable. This has been evolving for a long time now, and Samsung pioneered it with the phablet/Note series. Every other oem including Apple jumped on the bandwagon and made ever larger and larger screens. But they all hit a brick wall when the size of the phone became an issue.

Samsung has elegantly resolved this issue with shrinking phones, now you can have a larger screen that still easily fits into your pocket. For me that means I don't have to carry around a tablet anymore, I used to stick my iPad Mini in my back pocket. I get that today's foldable phones have issues, but these issues will only be improved and resolved with continued iterations. Dropping the phone down to about the same price as a fully loaded iPhone pro max will see the market grow, although at the top most end. Android seems to do best at the bottom end and it will take a long time for shrinking phones to reach the bottom end. But to tie it into the topic of this thread it's one huge example of how Android is far from in decline with such innovation. I highly doubt Apple would have come up with the concept, well more accurately I doubt they would have ever released it if not for competition. Apple is smart, they will wait until the concept makes sense financially and then release their own version, and magically everyone will forget who pioneered it.

Personally, when all is said and done, I would probably prefer an iPhone. Moving back to Android I am enjoying a ton more freedom and see how highly restrictive Apple's model is. But at the same time am concerned about privacy with Google, and of course my main issue is a lack of ability to communicate with every single family/friend I know having iMessage.
 

skaertus

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I still find this statement confusing... "a solution in search of a problem" ... when addressing shrinking phones (I don't use "foldable" because the paradigm is the phone gets smaller and this very well could be rollable or some other form factor). With no disrespect meant to you, my comments are more in general for every time I hear this, it's just inaccurate and very short sighted. The "problem" is simple, a larger screen is better than a smaller screen, but a larger screen isn't as portable. This has been evolving for a long time now, and Samsung pioneered it with the phablet/Note series. Every other oem including Apple jumped on the bandwagon and made ever larger and larger screens. But they all hit a brick wall when the size of the phone became an issue.

Samsung has elegantly resolved this issue with shrinking phones, now you can have a larger screen that still easily fits into your pocket. For me that means I don't have to carry around a tablet anymore, I used to stick my iPad Mini in my back pocket. I get that today's foldable phones have issues, but these issues will only be improved and resolved with continued iterations. Dropping the phone down to about the same price as a fully loaded iPhone pro max will see the market grow, although at the top most end. Android seems to do best at the bottom end and it will take a long time for shrinking phones to reach the bottom end. But to tie it into the topic of this thread it's one huge example of how Android is far from in decline with such innovation. I highly doubt Apple would have come up with the concept, well more accurately I doubt they would have ever released it if not for competition. Apple is smart, they will wait until the concept makes sense financially and then release their own version, and magically everyone will forget who pioneered it.

Personally, when all is said and done, I would probably prefer an iPhone. Moving back to Android I am enjoying a ton more freedom and see how highly restrictive Apple's model is. But at the same time am concerned about privacy with Google, and of course my main issue is a lack of ability to communicate with every single family/friend I know having iMessage.
Please, do not get me wrong. I was referring specifically to the foldable phone and not to general shrinking ones. The rollable phone looks great to me, it solves a few problems. A rollable phone would allow me to have a larger screen whenever I want while carrying a reasonably-sized phone. It has just one screen that gets larger. The advantages of this approach are clear: the battery has to power just one screen; one screen takes less space than two; there is no need to fold and unfold the phone to use it.

A foldable phone, especially the one launched by Samsung, has no such advantages. I saw one and was impressed by the technology, but not by the user experience. It is great that the foldable can turn into a tablet, this is the good part. But there are bad parts. The first one is that the phone is thick, as two screens consume a lot of space. Even being thick, it still has only a 4,500 mAh battery, which I find too small for powering my Galaxy S21+, and I can imagine it would be terrible for the Galaxy Fold. And then, whenever I want the big screen, I would have to unfold the phone. The outer screen is smaller than the ones found in most smartphones and proper to check quick info. If I want to use it at its full potential, I have one additional step which is to unfold the phone, which is an inconvenience. I want my phone to be fully and quickly accessible whenever I take it out of my pocket. With digital and face recognition, I do not even have to insert a password to unlock it and start to use it; why would I want to unfold it?

So, at least for me, the foldable phone seems like a showcase of good technology, but the trade-offs are clear. If the screen was thinner, consumed less battery, and the outer screen was larger, perhaps it could be a good idea. The rollable phone perhaps can address all these concerns.
 
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spinedoc77

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Please, do not get me wrong. I was referring specifically to the foldable phone and not to general shrinking ones. The rollable phone looks great to me, it solves a few problems. A rollable phone would allow me to have a larger screen whenever I want while carrying a reasonably-sized phone. It has just one screen that gets larger. The advantages of this approach are clear: the battery has to power just one screen; one screen takes less space than two; there is no need to fold and unfold the phone to use it.

A foldable phone, especially the one launched by Samsung, has no such advantages. I saw one and was impressed by the technology, but not by the user experience. It is great that the foldable can turn into a tablet, this is the good part. But there are bad parts. The first one is that the phone is thick, as two screens consume a lot of space. Even being thick, it still has only a 4,500 mAh battery, which I find too small for powering my Galaxy S21+, and I can imagine it would be terrible for the Galaxy Fold. And then, whenever I want the big screen, I would have to unfold the phone. The outer screen is smaller than the ones found in most smartphones and proper to check quick info. If I want to use it at its full potential, I have one additional step which is to unfold the phone, which is an inconvenience. I want my phone to be fully and quickly accessible whenever I take it out of my pocket. With digital and face recognition, I do not even have to insert a password to unlock it and start to use it; why would I want to unfold it?

So, at least for me, the foldable phone seems like a showcase of good technology, but the trade-offs are clear. If the screen was thinner, consumed less battery, and the outer screen was larger, perhaps it could be a good idea. The rollable phone perhaps can address all these concerns.

Yeah I can see where a foldable phone might not be right for you. Personally I love mine, there is no issue with the folding because the outer screen is good enough to use as a daily driver. Unfolding it literally takes half a second, I do it probably dozens and dozens of times per day and never think about it. I actually feel the rollables would be a negative in this aspect, at least the prototypes that are out there show them unrolling really slowly. If I had to wait for my phone to unroll every single time I wanted to use it expanded I'd go nuts.

Battery life may seem stunted looking at the battery size, but Samsung works some wizardy in this department and my Fold 2 lasts much longer than my iphone 12 pro max ever did. The thickness is certainly an issue, although I'm not sure the rollables are much thinner, at least I don't think they are the thinness of a regular smartphone yet but I'm not sure. But I don't blame you in regard to the form factor, folded up it's a thick phone. You can use face ID, as well as the fingerprint scanner with the screen closed, as well as just an old fashioned pin, no need to unfold it. As a counterpoint the rollables screen is always exposed and for now flexible screens are going to be much more fragile, as well as having more automated mechanical parts rather than a manual folding mechanism, upping the chances of mechanical breakdowns.

But I'm not necessarily trying to defend "foldables", I'm hoping someone comes out with a new idea/paradigm that is better. If a new paradigm does not appear then I would hope foldables 1) get rid of the crease, 2) have a truly glass/durable display, and 3) become thinner. Along the same lines I would hope rollables would open and close much more quickly, ideally IMO opening/closing them would have an option to just do it manually.
 

Blue Quark

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Apple support varies greatly country to country as do Samsung.

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I agree generally Apple service is 2nd to none but it is far from universal as many think it is
I think that can be said with respect to a great many things in life, sadly, as we are being reminded in the news on a near-daily basis even now in the 21st century.
 

ackmondual

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Around 2010-ish, Android had a nice leg up. I go to job fairs, talk with people while in line, and notice older folk using Androids. They say they love iPhone, but with the biggest phone only being 3.5" screen, that's to small for their usage. It's nice that iPhone finally sized up.

I don't pay much attn nowadays, but it only seems like iPhone is big because they keep reminding us they're a $1 trillion+ company, and how each new phone has some huge fanfare. With something like the Google Pixel 4A, there was excitement on the web, but they didn't make it into some huge rally of sorts.
 

kaardowiq

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Since the first iPhone I was an iPhone user until the XS came out. During that time I got a Motorola Milestone 2 as a company phone with Android version 2.3 (so this is a long time ago). This thing couldn't last a day and this was the reason to stay on iOS for private usage.

With Android 10 I gave this a new try with a Galaxy S10 - woooow. Awesome! Especially DEX is awesome. But later I got on a point where I couldn't stay on Android anymore - this was when Samsung (with expensive phones prices) decided to integrate ads to their own apps (like fitness, Galaxy Watch app, etc.). The ad blocks were that big, that I had so scroll to receive the main information from the app... That was a no go. I'm still thinking about switching back to Android - I think it's the better OS, more possibilities (just think about blocking video ads on YT) and since Android 10 with a better security management. Google's Devs are awesome, but at least it fails when it comes down to the manufactures to integrate the provided patches from upstream, as well as integrating unneeded ads in their own apps. The whole Google eco system is more open, flexible - I can upload and access all my files form Drive and Photos on any OS. Maybe the Fold 3 could make me perform a switch back to Android... We'll see.
 

jamezr

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Looks like smartphone sales are up this year. Xiaomii is killing it!

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