Android in Decline?

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I carry both the iPhone 11 Pro Max and Samsung Fold 2. The Fold 2 for my main line, and the iPhone for my pre-paid eSIM line. Battery life on both are so solid, I don't even worry about it. Both can easily last 48 hours with light to medium usage, and close to 24 hours with heavy usage. I prefer the Fold 2, but have almost nothing against the iP11 Pro Max.

I don't Android in a deline, I just see it becoming more synonymous with the top players. In America and SK, that would be Samsung. And I would guess in places like China, that would be Huawei. Compared to back in the days, the other brands now have a dismal percentage in the Android smartphone market.

 

[Abazigal]

With android, you are buying a smartphone. With Apple, you are buying into an ecosystem. That’s the key difference to me - whether consumers value what Apple has to offer or not.

 

[Klyster]

Yeah, android has no ecosystem....

 

[Lee_Bo]

It depends on the market you’re in.

For example, in the pro a/v world, there aren’t any iOS apps or players for digital signage. On the Android side, there are quite a few. Digital signage, like what you see on the wall displays at retail outlets, sports bars, hospitals, etc., couldn’t exist without the Android OS and hardware to play it on.

This is one area Android kicks Apple butt.

 

[ian87w]

Yeah, android has no ecosystem....

The ecosystem depends on the OEMs, and we do see many OEMs realizing that having an ecosystem is important, and thus many are building one. Samsung is the best example, with their own tablets, laptops, smartwatches, etc.

The Chinese are also making their own ecosystem. For example, Xiaomi not only make phones, but they also make routers, fitness bands, CCTV cameras, and even smart air purifiers and vacuum cleaners. Realme makes things from smartwatches to toothbrushes. The challenge is market availability and the quality of the software.

 

[jamezr]

The ecosystem depends on the OEMs, and we do see many OEMs realizing that having an ecosystem is important, and thus many are building one. Samsung is the best example, with their own tablets, laptops, smartwatches, etc.

The Chinese are also making their own ecosystem. For example, Xiaomi not only make phones, but they also make routers, fitness bands, CCTV cameras, and even smart air purifiers and vacuum cleaners. Realme makes things from smartwatches to toothbrushes. The challenge is market availability and the quality of the software.

sorry...but I don't making toothbrushes routers fitness bands air purifiers and vacuum cleaners equates to an ecosystem. Diversified product lineup maybe but ecosystem not so much.

 

[Klyster]

 

[Awesomesince86]

I can't believe this thread is 25 pages long.

 

[The Game 161]

I can't believe this thread is 25 pages long.

I can haha

 

[raqball]

I have both an iPhone 12 and a Galaxy S21 right now.. Both are great phones and both have positives and negatives..

If you are knee deep in the Apple ecosystem then obviously the choice is iPhone... If not, well there are plenty of stellar Android phones to chose from...

 

[Awesomesince86]

I can haha

The thread title should just be changed to..."Hey, wanna argue?"

 

[bousozoku]

Samsung tablets fare well because Samsung retained what remnants of 'Tablet UI' are left unlike Google/Cheap Tablets at Walmart.

Tablet UI was one of those times in the Jelly Bean era--bottom nav bar, widgets organized specifically for the screen size/width, and certain elements of apps being tuned differently for a tablet vs. a phone.

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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2012) with full Tablet UI

The only remnants remaining once Google pulled support are some of Samsung's own apps which still format differently for tablets vs. phones (namely Samsung Calendar, Samsung Internet, and Samsung Gallery)

They also have far more features than your boring stock cheap tablets. Google has not made an updated Pixel tablet at all lately.

I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

I was on Android 2.3.7 on an LG phone for too long and started on Android 3.2 for the 2012 version of the Nexus 7 tablet. When Android 6 came along for the 2013 Nexus 7 tablet, it felt better, but still felt as though Google didn't care to do their best.

I've got a Lenovo 8 inch tablet that seems 99.5% the 2013 Nexus 7 tablet, but with Android 10. It finally feels good--and the performance is very 2013. I wish that someone would put their best into a smaller tablet but I suppose it doesn't make sense given the size and resolution of recently discontinued phones.

 

[bousozoku]

Yes

I have recently come into several million pounds and would like to to distribute them for me... ?

 

[ian87w]

I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

I was on Android 2.3.7 on an LG phone for too long and started on Android 3.2 for the 2012 version of the Nexus 7 tablet. When Android 6 came along for the 2013 Nexus 7 tablet, it felt better, but still felt as though Google didn't care to do their best.

I've got a Lenovo 8 inch tablet that seems 99.5% the 2013 Nexus 7 tablet, but with Android 10. It finally feels good--and the performance is very 2013. I wish that someone would put their best into a smaller tablet but I suppose it doesn't make sense given the size and resolution of recently discontinued phones.

I would blame the Google Nexus 7 and Amazon Fire for creating the impression to consumers that small Android tablets have to be cheap. In essence, no OEMs are willing to spend the R&D on Android tablets since they wouldn't be able to recoup the cost if they charge more money for it. The consumers pretty much see small Android tablet = cheap tablet for kids. They will balk at premium pricing regardless of the hardware.

 

[gatorguy2]

Dude I think I’m triggered lol. I think it’s the entire opposite. The single most important feature of the iPhone is and has always been iOS. Remember PALM? Remember you had to scroll using a tiny scroll bar (and yes, with a stylus. Yuck!). Remember when touchscreens weren’t multitouch? When touch devices were awful to use (you had to either press very hard and/or wait 1-2 seconds just to get a response from the UI? When text-based mobile browsers (pre iPhone) were a joke? No pinch to zoom? When downloading and installing mobile software (aka apps) and media was very hard? SMS? Android (and the entire smartphone industry) was shaped after the iPhone and its buttery smooth, super snappy, innovative and intuitive OS.

I feel just the opposite, finding iOS not intuitive at all, sometimes maddingly frustrating.

One example: I spent the better part of an hour trying to figure out how to install free apps without requiring my long 12-character password EVERY TIME!. Heck my iPhone 11 is already logged in and my phone recognizes my face. Why in Hades would yet another verification be needed before allowing me to install free apps from the App Store.

Actually just turning the phone OFF is not intuitive. Simply using Apple Pay requires more steps than Google Pay. In many ways Android is simply easier and quicker, and makes more sense, not that some of it could be improved a lot too, and is every month on my Pixel.

Oh, and yes I finally solved the password thing, but no thanks to Apple.

 

[bousozoku]

I would blame the Google Nexus 7 and Amazon Fire for creating the impression to consumers that small Android tablets have to be cheap. In essence, no OEMs are willing to spend the R&D on Android tablets since they wouldn't be able to recoup the cost if they charge more money for it. The consumers pretty much see small Android tablet = cheap tablet for kids. They will balk at premium pricing regardless of the hardware.

Amazon Fire tablets were low end, while Nexus 7 was supposed to be high end. Looking back at what happened with Android, people apparently didn't want high end, except for phones. Google/ASUS, NVidia, and Razer tablets all went away.

 

[ian87w]

Amazon Fire tablets were low end, while Nexus 7 was supposed to be high end. Looking back at what happened with Android, people apparently didn't want high end, except for phones. Google/ASUS, NVidia, and Razer tablets all went away.

Nexus 7 is low end, it's cheap as well. Only Samsung and maybe Motorola created high end tablets back then. It's not that nobody wanted high end. Nobody knew high end tablets were possible since all the OEMs, especially Amazon, keeps pushing Android tablets as cheap low end tablets. That create the perception in consumers. Of course, it's made worse with Google's own inconsistencies of how Android on tablet would be. When Google stopped caring, developers as well, thus no tablet optimized Android apps, making the value proposition worse.

 

[Klyster]

Asus made high end Transformer tablets back then, they were awesome.
I had two of them.

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Asus Transformer Prime TF700T - Full tablet specifications

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[Surfman]

Nothing beats Apple eco system when you have a iphone,watch,iPad,imac,ATV.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Nexus 7 is low end, it's cheap as well. Only Samsung and maybe Motorola created high end tablets back then. It's not that nobody wanted high end. Nobody knew high end tablets were possible since all the OEMs, especially Amazon, keeps pushing Android tablets as cheap low end tablets. That create the perception in consumers. Of course, it's made worse with Google's own inconsistencies of how Android on tablet would be. When Google stopped caring, developers as well, thus no tablet optimized Android apps, making the value proposition worse.

I would say the nexus 7 was midrange. It was advertised as bang for the buck. Not something that just works and is ok like the fire tablets. The 2013 nexus 7 had a 1080p display, wireless charging and a midrange processor. 1080p on a 7 inch android tablet was rare in 2013. Heck they were just about getting 1080p on 10 inch tablets. However having said that about Amazon tablets, when they first came out they were actually high end tablets. They were direct competitors to the iPad and they were priced highly. It’s only been since 2015 that they took the budget route. The fire HDX tablets were high end.

 

[iHorseHead]

I know this is a bit off topic, but going back to battery life, my friend just texted this:

Just saying because there were people insisting that I was lying about the iPhones battery lives…

 

[iHorseHead]

Nothing beats Apple eco system when you have a iphone,watch,iPad,imac,ATV.

To be honest, there was someone who posted a video here of Samsung's ecosystem and it was pretty. The guy in the video was like: "Clean up my room" and the vacuum cleaner just started cleaning etc…
Apple's and Samsung's ecosystem is pretty similar, but I'd say Samsung's ecosystem is good as well, but of course, Samsung has more devices.

 

[Surfman]

I know this is a bit off topic, but going back to battery life, my friend just texted this:
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Just saying because there were people insisting that I was lying about the iPhones battery lives…

Battery is rubbish on a mini. 12 pro max is a beast. Doesn’t sound like a message from a friend lol.

 

[iHorseHead]

Battery is rubbish on a mini. 12 pro max is a beast.

How's that supposed to help her?

I have 12 mini and I'd say it has a great battery life. Much better than SE or any of my older iPhones and I'm impressed.
I only bought mini (gave another chance to Apple), because someone (I don't remember his username) said that battery lives from iPhone 11 are fine and admitted that older iPhones had problems.

 

[Surfman]

How's that supposed to help her?

I have 12 mini and I'd say it has a great battery life. Much better than SE or any of my older iPhones and I'm impressed.
I only bought mini (gave another chance to Apple), because someone (I don't remember his username) said that battery lives from iPhone 11 are fine and admitted that older iPhones had problems.

You didn’t even say what iphone they have?