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Dockland

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.

For years up to a couple years ago, it seemed like iOS and Android would be neck all the time. Android was heralded for its freedom of choice. But over time, it’s become more like iOS being more restrictive while iOS has slowly been gaining more freedoms.

Samsung was always the one to release the best hardware you could ask for in a device and usually at a really good price. But now they introduced products like the recent Note that simply doesn’t live up to its history of being insane everything-you-could-ask-for hardware at a good price and charges a ridiculous amount for a cheaper product.

Pixels used to be known for their cameras, but iPhone and other phones caught up, Google hasn’t really improved much with the cameras since the Pixel 2 or 3. Google has stopped trying to compete with Apple by going to a non-flagship processor. Their marketing also seems to have died down.

A lot of Android phones copied things they made fun of the iPhone for and things Android enthusiasts loathed (removal of the headphone jack, notch, no charger in the box).

There seem to be less value in Android anymore. For instance, pretty much every phone OnePlus released was an instant recommendation for someone who wanted a flagship for less money. Now, they’re basically just another flagship but at a lower quality for a similar price. Even their “value” phones are no longer instant recommendations anymore.

iOS seems to be innovating while Google is not. For example, privacy standards. Android used to always be in the news for all of their innovation and features that iOS doesn’t have. I can’t remember the last time I heard Android news about a new big feature. Maybe it was that feature from like 2018 where Google Assistant could schedule an appointment over the phone with you.

It just seems like iPhone has gained mostly all of the features that Android had that it didn’t while also providing more value for the money while Androids have gotten more expensive while also becoming worse products. iPhone also pretty much has a phone at every price now too compared to in the past when they really were known for being only the premium expensive product. It’s hard to compete with iPhones in every price range with incredible software support and updates, customer service, solid hardware, and reliability.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?

I love Android, but i love iOS more.
Been an avid, and I mean avid Android-user since 2008 and made the switch last november.

What did I miss? A complete eco-system.
I do think Android/Google/Alphabet or what ever, was on the completley right track with it's series of Google phones. Vanilla Android, what was it called... Nexus! I had two of those, Nexus 5-something and Nexus 6-something.
But then they stopped. No more Android phones from Google since then.
Well, there are some they release now and then, but not in my country. Don't know why.

So, here I am. Since november 2020 and I'm not looking back.
 
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michael9891

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It's because it's a personal attack and as far as I've been to different forums it has always been that way. I still don't understand how's that trolling. What exactly for you is trolling? Disagreeing? Someone saying that Spotify is better than Apple Music? If I said that Netflix is better than Apple TV+ I'd be a troll as well?
Not liking a product and giving your reasons why, disagreeing with others & discussing what could be done better etc is what forums are about.

Trolling is perfectly illustrated by the main culprit in this thread. Constantly searching this section for the mention of Samsung & Android so they can call it trash. Posting stupid "facts" in some lame attempt to show how everything they buy is far superior in every way, screen shots from a random comment on reddit that are completely out of context. The list goes on.

And when challenged on their crap, rather than actually communicate sensibly, they pretend it didn't happen and derail even further and throw in some laughing emojis like they score points.

You'll have to use your imagination what kind of person devotes their spare time to this kind of behaviour, I'm not allowed to say.

What is crap to one person could be golden to another. We're individuals after all.
 

Dockland

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Not liking a product and giving your reasons why, disagreeing with others & discussing what could be done better etc is what forums are about.

Trolling is perfectly illustrated by the main culprit in this thread. Constantly searching this section for the mention of Samsung & Android so they can call it trash. Posting stupid "facts" in some lame attempt to show how everything they buy is far superior in every way, screen shots from a random comment on reddit that are completely out of context. The list goes on.

And when challenged on their crap, rather than actually communicate sensibly, they pretend it didn't happen and derail even further and throw in some laughing emojis like they score points.

You'll have to use your imagination what kind of person devotes their spare time to this kind of behaviour, I'm not allowed to say.

What is crap to one person could be golden to another. We're individuals after all.

If a Android phone/device suits me, I buy a Android phone/device.
If a Apple phone/device suits me, I buy a Apple phone/device.
It's really that simple :)
 

Zaft

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Stopped by Best Buy today to browse and played around with a couple of phones.

the Pixel is probably the closest to iOS as its very bare bones. I’m liking the 90hz display on it, but it still jitters even with 90hz.
 
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nickdalzell1

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It's interesting you don't see the compression with MMS. In particular the compression with video is atrocious. You literally can't make out people in the video unless maybe they are up close. But sending videos of something like my daughter playing a soccer game comes out as just a bunch of pixelated blobs moving on screen. It's not the end of the world, at least with Samsung I can send a link to the full size video that iPhone users can open and save right from iMessage, but it's still not as seamless as just being able to send the full sized, uncompressed video.

Personally I have no issue with the green bubbles either. I'm an adult, and if someone else looks down on me because of that then they do not deserve my company. But no one has ever cared.
Maybe it's my S20 FE but all photos seem to send correctly no matter what. On my HTC Thunderbolt you'd get a small banner saying 'converting to MMS' because it's over a certain file size, not that it had a good camera to begin with, but on my S20 FE it seems to overcome it. That, or my mother, grandmother, or girlfriend don't seem to notice or care. Videos are almost always YouTube links, and seem to preview and play just fine (albeit in a small preview thumbnail). I haven't recorded or sent an actual video from the phone yet. Can't think of a reason I'd want to.

My primary use for SMS is simple messaging ala IM style. It's like being on Yahoo! or AIM but no data needed, which given the lack of LTE around here anywhere outside the city, is quite convenient. Also I'm on prepaid so I can save considerable $$$ having a smaller data bucket and use Wi-Fi whenever possible. If I had to rely on WhatsApp or such, I'd need a much larger data plan, especially if I were to send videos in the future on mobile data.

I have no issues with those who prefer iMessage or the like, just so long as they don't expect everyone including myself to be forced to 'get used to' it. I am sorta stuck in my ways and want to keep it that way. I bought a 5G-capable phone to future-proof myself any way. I expect a minimum 10 years from this thing (I have phones that old, including the HTC Thunderbolt which still works).
 
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Dockland

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Maybe it's my S20 FE but all photos seem to send correctly no matter what. On my HTC Thunderbolt you'd get a small banner saying 'converting to MMS' because it's over a certain file size, not that it had a good camera to begin with, but on my S20 FE it seems to overcome it. That, or my mother, grandmother, or girlfriend don't seem to notice or care. Videos are almost always YouTube links, and seem to preview and play just fine (albeit in a small preview thumbnail). I haven't recorded or sent an actual video from the phone yet. Can't think of a reason I'd want to.

My primary use for SMS is simple messaging ala IM style. It's like being on Yahoo! or AIM but no data needed, which given the lack of LTE around here anywhere outside the city, is quite convenient. Also I'm on prepaid so I can save considerable $$$ having a smaller data bucket and use Wi-Fi whenever possible. If I had to rely on WhatsApp or such, I'd need a much larger data plan, especially if I were to send videos in the future on mobile data.

I have no issues with those who prefer iMessage or the like, just so long as they don't expect everyone including myself to be forced to 'get used to' it. I am sorta stuck in my ways and want to keep it that way. I bought a 5G-capable phone to future-proof myself any way. I expect a minimum 10 years from this thing (I have phones that old, including the HTC Thunderbolt which still works).

I use Whatsapp (I think it's called that) when sending to other brands/contacts than iPhone users. Works better than iMessage to Google Messages (or what it's called)
 

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Maybe it's my S20 FE but all photos seem to send correctly no matter what. On my HTC Thunderbolt you'd get a small banner saying 'converting to MMS' because it's over a certain file size, not that it had a good camera to begin with, but on my S20 FE it seems to overcome it. That, or my mother, grandmother, or girlfriend don't seem to notice or care. Videos are almost always YouTube links, and seem to preview and play just fine (albeit in a small preview thumbnail). I haven't recorded or sent an actual video from the phone yet. Can't think of a reason I'd want to.

My primary use for SMS is simple messaging ala IM style. It's like being on Yahoo! or AIM but no data needed, which given the lack of LTE around here anywhere outside the city, is quite convenient. Also I'm on prepaid so I can save considerable $$$ having a smaller data bucket and use Wi-Fi whenever possible. If I had to rely on WhatsApp or such, I'd need a much larger data plan, especially if I were to send videos in the future on mobile data.

I have no issues with those who prefer iMessage or the like, just so long as they don't expect everyone including myself to be forced to 'get used to' it. I am sorta stuck in my ways and want to keep it that way. I bought a 5G-capable phone to future-proof myself any way. I expect a minimum 10 years from this thing (I have phones that old, including the HTC Thunderbolt which still works).
If I could get the play store to work on my original sgh-i717 I would be using that now. But no apps' is a no go for me. I still have my HTC white ceramic hero too. That was an awesome phone.
 

iluvmacs99

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Apr 9, 2019
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What we truly are is that we are more than human beings. We are truly experiential beings; we learn through living experiences and we share those living experiences through words and sentences and then we pick up on those words and sentences and form an experience in our minds and then compare them with our own experiences we have in our memories. This is how we can agree, because we both have had similar actual physical experiences stored in our memories. If we both have had deep close experiences using both an Android and an iOS device, they both give unique experiences and neither is better or worse because both of these devices have their strengths and weaknesses.

I am using both Android and iOS devices for most of my life and have incorporated the strengths of both platforms in my digital life and both of them provide experiences that I needed to fulfill my tasks.

Android is only in decline if you no longer have the actual experience of it and that your only experience is formed only in your mind. That's why we can disagree in this topic. We compare what's in our minds against people who have and continue having the actual experiences. Words can only point to the thing, the experience we want to share. Words only CAN NOT give you the actual experience such as you can not have an actual experience of eating an apple only from words. You have to take the bite. Same with physical sex; you can't experience actual physical sex only from words. Some people believe that they can have the actual experience eating an apple or having the actual experience of physical sex only through words and that's how some people can disagree. They are comparing their experiences in their minds against those who actually had that physical intimate experience and this why some people then go and pick certain words to disagree upon without having the actual physical experience, because they truly believe words alone can actually give them the actual physical experiences.

So what does it say about people who prefer to experience everything through words? They prefer it because they prefer to experience everything in life at a certain distance. There's no intimacy; no closeness in experiencing life. It is at a distance and of course, if you experience Android at a certain distance, then Android is in decline but then it's an experience which only happen in the mind and not in reality.
 
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nickdalzell1

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If I could get the play store to work on my original sgh-i717 I would be using that now. But no apps' is a no go for me. I still have my HTC white ceramic hero too. That was an awesome phone.
I don't use the Play Store (disabled/uninstalled on my stuff) and I never forgave Google for killing the Android Market (much superior in both UI and stability). Also, Play Protect tried uninstalling legit apps it claimed were 'bad' even if turned off (because they were downloaded from Play Store, which disabling Protect doesn't turn off). I make it a habit of disabling or uninstalling it on first-time setup of any new device. I use either third-party APK download, the Samsung store, or Aptoide. Oftentimes, since a great majority of my apps I use are old versions circa Android 2.3 Gingerbread, they're backed up to an NAS which I just sideload to any device (even compatible with Android 11). A lot of those apps are now unobtainable from Play Store, even on 'purchased apps' list, or are incorrectly deemed 'incompatible' and given I paid for many of 'em, I refuse to just give them up. E-radar HD is one example, a very nice weather radar app, still works today. I also got some paid versions of WeatherBug Elite which still works despite them claiming to have killed it.

That was how I actually got my stuff onto my Thunderbolt, or my Galaxy S Relay. Play Store does open, you can buy books and use the ancient Books app to download/read them, but downloading apps from it is broken. However, with many of the compatible apps gone for a device running anything older than 4.4 KitKat, it wouldn't make sense to have access to the Play Store/Android Market anyway. Also, it no longer updates Play Services which helps battery life immensely (no longer phoning home to Google). Also can still use Play Music!

Earlier this month, Verizon went completely out for 7 hours where I live, forcing me to reactivate my S-Relay from T-Mobile (via Walmart Family Mobile) and it came in handy not being disconnected from my contacts. I keep that one active still just in case (plus it's really convenient to have a slider phone with actual keyboard). Despite VoLTE supposedly being mandated ~2020 Februrary apparently T-Mobile didn't get the memo, or it's working because all it picks up is 4G anyway. Technicality? My Thunderbolt still made/received calls and texts back in March this year, and the only cellular service it was picking up was LTE, never dropped to 3G/1x at all.

My S20 FE sometimes shows '1x' at work but it refuses to use it. In fact, if anything other than LTE shows up it won't work period except on wifi.
 
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skaertus

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I don't miss a single feature from Android. Not a single one. If I did, I have no problems going back, but so far, naah
I think iOS is generally better than Android, but I am currently using an Android phone for a few reasons which come down to flexibility.

  1. Less "forbidden" features. Apple does not let me install two identical apps on an iPhone, something which I frequently want to do. On Android, I can do it. Plus, Apple does not let some other features on iPhones that Google allows.
  2. More hardware options. Yes, this is a plus. If I want a bigger iPhone, I have to pay more for it; no cheaper option available. If I wanted an OLED screen, up to iPhone 11, I would have to spend additional money. If I want more battery life out of an iPhone (which I always do), then I am out of luck. And if my iPhone is stolen in July or August (something which unfortunately happens quite often here in Brazil), then, oh, I have to settle with last year's model shortly before the release of a shiny new version in September. I am stuck with what Apple wants, which may be great, but it may not be what I want. With Android, there is always a brand new model being released, or I can choose an AMOLED screen with a high refresh rate, or better battery life. More options certainly do not hurt.
  3. Price. Yes, this is a big factor. If you live in the U.S., you can buy an iPhone 12 for $799, which is certainly more expensive than, say, the iPhone 5 was when it launched at $649. This $150 price increase may be annoying, but it is OK. Here in Brazil, the iPhone 5 launched at BRL 2,399, and the iPhone 12 now costs BRL 7999 (which is kind of $1600). The iPhone 12 is over times more expensive than the iPhone 5 was. And every year the iPhone gets more expensive in Brazil. This is because of several reasons, including the unfavorable exchange rate. But the bottom line is that I cannot be tied to Apple's ecosystem, as iPhones are significantly more expensive every year, and one day I may be simply unable to buy another one. Android phones are generally cheaper (the Samsung S21 costs BRL 4699, which is roughly $940), and there are lower-end models available if the exchange rate turns even more unfavorable.
 

Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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I really have no issue using WhatsApp I just prefer iMessage as just looks better and syncs so well with all my
Most of my contacts use WhatsApp but there are benefits to using iMessage, as you say being able to use it across all my devices. Also being able to send messages from my Apple Watch and using my homepods is nice.
 

skaertus

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Most of my contacts use WhatsApp but there are benefits to using iMessage, as you say being able to use it across all my devices. Also being able to send messages from my Apple Watch and using my homepods is nice.
I use WhatsApp as everybody in Brazil uses it. Plus, it is better to have just one app for all messages. The issue with WhatsApp is that it does not let you sync between iOS and Android.
 

aa24

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.

For years up to a couple years ago, it seemed like iOS and Android would be neck all the time. Android was heralded for its freedom of choice. But over time, it’s become more like iOS being more restrictive while iOS has slowly been gaining more freedoms.

Samsung was always the one to release the best hardware you could ask for in a device and usually at a really good price. But now they introduced products like the recent Note that simply doesn’t live up to its history of being insane everything-you-could-ask-for hardware at a good price and charges a ridiculous amount for a cheaper product.

Pixels used to be known for their cameras, but iPhone and other phones caught up, Google hasn’t really improved much with the cameras since the Pixel 2 or 3. Google has stopped trying to compete with Apple by going to a non-flagship processor. Their marketing also seems to have died down.

A lot of Android phones copied things they made fun of the iPhone for and things Android enthusiasts loathed (removal of the headphone jack, notch, no charger in the box).

There seem to be less value in Android anymore. For instance, pretty much every phone OnePlus released was an instant recommendation for someone who wanted a flagship for less money. Now, they’re basically just another flagship but at a lower quality for a similar price. Even their “value” phones are no longer instant recommendations anymore.

iOS seems to be innovating while Google is not. For example, privacy standards. Android used to always be in the news for all of their innovation and features that iOS doesn’t have. I can’t remember the last time I heard Android news about a new big feature. Maybe it was that feature from like 2018 where Google Assistant could schedule an appointment over the phone with you.

It just seems like iPhone has gained mostly all of the features that Android had that it didn’t while also providing more value for the money while Androids have gotten more expensive while also becoming worse products. iPhone also pretty much has a phone at every price now too compared to in the past when they really were known for being only the premium expensive product. It’s hard to compete with iPhones in every price range with incredible software support and updates, customer service, solid hardware, and reliability.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
When I began my smartphone journey, I leaned heavily toward Android. I've always liked the mechanics and overall design. I had a Galaxy S7 Edge, and honestly planned on keeping that phone until the wheels fell off. However around two years ago, I got my first iPhone and have yet to look back. I'd gotten so use to all the apps being 'right there' that I forgot about simple things like widgets. I say all of this to say, I'm seriously considering switching back to android. I just watched this YT video explaining some of the features with the Android 12. I'll link it down below in case anyone wants to check it out. Top 5 Android 12 Features: Huge Redesign!
 

nickdalzell1

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I'm stopping at Android 11. I don't like anything with 'redesign' in its name, except Windows 11 (I'm on the preview currently). Besides, 11 was peak for me, and everything works. Why bother?
 

skaertus

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Have you all noticed that Android seems to have been in decline over the past couple years, or is it just the fact that I’ve been paying less attention? By decline, I don’t mean that the software is getting worse, it just seems to have lost its competitive edge compared to Apple.

For years up to a couple years ago, it seemed like iOS and Android would be neck all the time. Android was heralded for its freedom of choice. But over time, it’s become more like iOS being more restrictive while iOS has slowly been gaining more freedoms.

Samsung was always the one to release the best hardware you could ask for in a device and usually at a really good price. But now they introduced products like the recent Note that simply doesn’t live up to its history of being insane everything-you-could-ask-for hardware at a good price and charges a ridiculous amount for a cheaper product.

Pixels used to be known for their cameras, but iPhone and other phones caught up, Google hasn’t really improved much with the cameras since the Pixel 2 or 3. Google has stopped trying to compete with Apple by going to a non-flagship processor. Their marketing also seems to have died down.

A lot of Android phones copied things they made fun of the iPhone for and things Android enthusiasts loathed (removal of the headphone jack, notch, no charger in the box).

There seem to be less value in Android anymore. For instance, pretty much every phone OnePlus released was an instant recommendation for someone who wanted a flagship for less money. Now, they’re basically just another flagship but at a lower quality for a similar price. Even their “value” phones are no longer instant recommendations anymore.

iOS seems to be innovating while Google is not. For example, privacy standards. Android used to always be in the news for all of their innovation and features that iOS doesn’t have. I can’t remember the last time I heard Android news about a new big feature. Maybe it was that feature from like 2018 where Google Assistant could schedule an appointment over the phone with you.

It just seems like iPhone has gained mostly all of the features that Android had that it didn’t while also providing more value for the money while Androids have gotten more expensive while also becoming worse products. iPhone also pretty much has a phone at every price now too compared to in the past when they really were known for being only the premium expensive product. It’s hard to compete with iPhones in every price range with incredible software support and updates, customer service, solid hardware, and reliability.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of good phones out there and Android dominates with market share across the world overall. And for a lot of people, it’s good enough and they’re able to find a phone they’re happy with. I also know mobile phones have become a mature product. But from an enthusiast standpoint, I’m not crazy right? Android has been declining over the past few years right? Or am I just not paying enough attention?
I think Android is improving over the last few years. Samsung's version of Android used to be terrible and provide a sub-optimal experience, but now it is good, it has really improved. I think Apple's iOS still has the edge, but Android is not too far behind now.

As both operating systems improve, I see that there are diminishing returns. Each of them already provides most features anyone would need from a smartphone. They will improve in the future, but the improvements become less noticeable in each version.

As they become more like each other, Android will have the advantage of equipping cheaper phones. You mentioned that Apple provides phones in every price range, but this is not a fact. Apple's cheapest iPhone, the SE, sells for $399. This is still very expensive in many developing countries around the world. There are Android phones selling for less than $200. Yes, these phones may be inferior, but they got a lot better in the last few years. I tried one of these days and was impressed. In a couple of years, they went from pretty much useless to quite useful. They are not blazing fast, but, if they keep evolving like this, there may come a date in which most people will not even be able to tell the difference. Yes, Apple's A-series processors are amazingly fast, but most people simply do not need such performance out of a smartphone, and will not see the difference from a Snapdragon 870 that equips mid-range phones.

Few people are enthusiasts. I think Android is getting closer to iOS, and Apple has to offer something else to differentiate and keep charging a premium. Not everyone is so obsessed about photos to need the absolute best camera every year when the camera in last year's phone is already unbelievably great. Not everyone needs the fastest smartphone ever when last year's smartphone is already much faster than the majority of computers in the world. As both hardware and software mature, it is not just a matter of improving the very same features that have been improved over the last 5 or 10 years.

Apple is now focusing on privacy, which is a smart move, and is picking on Google's Achilles heels. But that is hardly a feature that Apple can improve forever, and Android manufacturers are already moving to catch up. For consumers, this is great, as it means that Apple's edge (and its ability to manipulate the market on its favor or to become lazy) is diminishing.

Now, you also mentioned that many Android phones are becoming iPhone copycats. While this does not mean that Android is declining, it is also true, the way I see it. Android manufacturers (and everybody else) seems to be following Apple's lead, which is not necessarily a good thing.

Apple removed the headphone jack from its iPhones and many Android phones had it removed as well. Apple keeps the iPhone very thin and many flagship Android phones have smaller batteries to keep the thin profile as well. Apple puts a great camera with "Night Mode" on the iPhone, and every Android manufacturer wants to do the same. Every flagship phone needs to be waterproof and have wireless charging. Android is not declining because of this, but most phones are losing their individuality. We may have the iPhone and several Android phones with similar features and different prices in some sort of undistinguishable mass.

What Android manufacturers really need is courage to launch an anti-Apple. Phones with different features that appeal to different audiences. Some Android phones have that, but less and less as many copy what Apple is doing. There are exceptions. Look at the Asus ROG Phone 5, for instance. It is a flagship phone with a top-range Qualcomm processor. But it has a large battery (6000 mAh), an AMOLED screen with a high refresh rate, a headphone jack, a great audio system and a cooling system. It is not waterproof and it does not support wireless charging. It is heavy and bulky. The camera is good but nowhere near the ones in other flagship smartphones. It is targeted as gamers, but it has so many features useful for other people. Many people would prefer a larger battery and a headphone jack over "higher-end" features such as wireless charging and being waterproof, as they may turn out being more useful. Asus was smart as it removed those expensive features and spent the resources in other features that few smartphones have (just hear the sound that comes out of a ROG Phone, it is miles better than anything else, including the iPhone).

Apple's approach is not necessarily the best, or the best for everyone. Android provides room for other approaches, and most manufacturers are losing this golden opportunity to differentiate.
 

ZipZilla

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To me, iPhone is the Mac and Android is the PC. Each has their own advantages. Android is open and free and cheap. I work a lot around the world and almost everyone has Android. I enjoy Google's products and services.

But I use an iPhone because I prefer it. Doesn't make Android bad, just different. But I agree, the Android market is kind of dead. really Samsung and the Pixel in the US and that's about it
 
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ian87w

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Apple's approach is not necessarily the best, or the best for everyone. Android provides room for other approaches, and most manufacturers are losing this golden opportunity to differentiate.
Imo it depends on the maturity of the OEM. Samsung is the perfect example. They have matured from being a copycat, into establishing their own identity and design, and also venturing forward into the bleeding edge (eg. foldables).

The unfortunate thing is that other than Samsung, majority of Android OEMs are the Chinese. Gone are the "old-school" unique brands like HTC, LG, etc. Sony is still around, but they are extremely niche and went into the extreme super niche. Nokia is just faltering around going nowhere. Motorola was bought by Lenovo, and they're not the same anymore. Right now, the big Android OEMs aside from Samsung are Chinese: the BBK group (OnePlus, Oppo, Vivo, Realme) and Xiaomi, and the Chinese are not that mature yet into having their own identity. Sure, they do bombastic marketing etc, but the minute Apple/Samsung had a new design, they all copied it shamelessly. So they won't really do an "anti-Apple" since people clearly see that they're still copycat design wise (just look at any TWS earbuds from these Chinese, they all copied the Airpods design). People would laugh at them.

Huawei imo was the one maturing, having their own unique design, making high quality hardware, good software, etc. Imo Huawei was the one that's giving Apple (and also Samsung) a run for their money. But the ban happened and it's history. It's sad. It's sad that despite the seemingly plethora of options for Android, all I see are just dozen variations of Xiaomi, Samsung, and BBK phones, at least in my country. That's not a "lot" of competition imo, compared to the previous years when all the players were still around (HTC, Motorola, Asus, LG, etc. They all have exited the country). There is definitely a decrease in diversity.

And in the end, it's all about the software as well. And it will take a while for a company to realize this. Look how long it took Samsung to actually make their skin great (OneUI). Samsung was as bad as the Chinese skins in the early days (laggy, bloated, no updates). Xiaomi and Oppo now are brazen enough to sell $1000 phones (Oppo Find X3 Pro, Mi 11 Ultra). The phones boast impressive hardware. But the software is not there yet. MiUI app drawer stutters on my Poco X3, a phone with 120Hz screen. That shows lack of optimization and attention to detail. Add on the inconsistent updates, they're still immature. Again, Huawei, imo was the leader of the pack, but they got the banhammer...
 
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If a Android phone/device suits me, I buy a Android phone/device.
If a Apple phone/device suits me, I buy a Apple phone/device.
It's really that simple :)
Ideally it would be like that. For me both systems each have their own big disadvantages and annoyances, and there is practically no third option. I keep switching back and forth, mostly out of frustration.

At least I get some redundancy out of this - my apps and account settings are current on both, so it is a quick switch if some disaster strikes.
 

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Here’s an interesting phraseology game;

“Where are you now and where were you before”
“I’m with the latest Pixel”
“Exactly how many times a day and week will you message me!”
“These are just the words I use most often”
“Wel just about everyone I know, you now know”
“In English but using a second language too would be great”
“Ok Battery and great signal strength”
“This isn’t all, this isn’t over”

Using the phrases above,please choose one answer to the following question: What App gathers or performs the above answers or statements on a user?:
A - WhatsApp
B - Facebook
C - All of the above

Facebook may be the finest company in the business of Surveillance Retail (it is Google) but these two companies absolutely aren’t the only ones. If you’re getting it for free then their is fair chance you are a customer in Surveillance Retail.
 

skaertus

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Imo it depends on the maturity of the OEM. Samsung is the perfect example. They have matured from being a copycat, into establishing their own identity and design, and also venturing forward into the bleeding edge (eg. foldables).

The unfortunate thing is that other than Samsung, majority of Android OEMs are the Chinese. Gone are the "old-school" unique brands like HTC, LG, etc. Sony is still around, but they are extremely niche and went into the extreme super niche. Nokia is just faltering around going nowhere. Motorola was bought by Lenovo, and they're not the same anymore. Right now, the big Android OEMs aside from Samsung are Chinese: the BBK group (OnePlus, Oppo, Vivo, Realme) and Xiaomi, and the Chinese are not that mature yet into having their own identity. Sure, they do bombastic marketing etc, but the minute Apple/Samsung had a new design, they all copied it shamelessly. So they won't really do an "anti-Apple" since people clearly see that they're still copycat design wise (just look at any TWS earbuds from these Chinese, they all copied the Airpods design). People would laugh at them.

Huawei imo was the one maturing, having their own unique design, making high quality hardware, good software, etc. Imo Huawei was the one that's giving Apple (and also Samsung) a run for their money. But the ban happened and it's history. It's sad. It's sad that despite the seemingly plethora of options for Android, all I see are just dozen variations of Xiaomi, Samsung, and BBK phones, at least in my country. That's not a "lot" of competition imo, compared to the previous years when all the players were still around (HTC, Motorola, Asus, LG, etc. They all have exited the country). There is definitely a decrease in diversity.

And in the end, it's all about the software as well. And it will take a while for a company to realize this. Look how long it took Samsung to actually make their skin great (OneUI). Samsung was as bad as the Chinese skins in the early days (laggy, bloated, no updates). Xiaomi and Oppo now are brazen enough to sell $1000 phones (Oppo Find X3 Pro, Mi 11 Ultra). The phones boast impressive hardware. But the software is not there yet. MiUI app drawer stutters on my Poco X3, a phone with 120Hz screen. That shows lack of optimization and attention to detail. Add on the inconsistent updates, they're still immature. Again, Huawei, imo was the leader of the pack, but they got the banhammer...
I still see Samsung as a copycat trying to outdo Apple. Just a copycat with far more resources than the average.

Yes, Samsung has gone a long way here. Its previous UI was absolutely terrible, not suitable for a smartphone. Not practical at all. Now OneUI is very good and has its own personality. But the UI is just part of the story.

Samsung is either copying Apple or trying to get there first. Samsung flagship smartphones are thin and light, waterproof, have wireless charging, great cameras with some sort of "night mode", no headphone jack, and wireless earbuds available. The iPhone has all of that as well. Samsung got there first in some cases, but Apple followed through. I am not sure how much industrial espionage there is, but they are clearly on the same path (and perhaps Apple is doing its share of copying Samsung as well).

Samsung has its innovative hardware as well. There are those foldable smartphones, but I am still not convinced. I do not like the idea of unfolding the smartphone every time I have to fully use it. Smartphones are far more practical the way they are, at least for me. The foldable phone just looks like a good solution in search of a problem, some tech advancement that Samsung is planning to shove down our throats. I do not like the curved edges on the screens as well; it looks like a show-off more than something practical.

Samsung is definitely not the anti-Apple. Sometimes it is just a "second-class Apple", sometimes it tries to be "super-Apple", and sometimes it is some sort of "alternative Apple". But Samsung is not bold enough to just make a flagship phone with something that would break Apple's idea of what a smartphone should be, such as re-introducing the headphone jack or putting a huge battery that will make the phone very heavy.

As for other makers, I am not sure which country you live in. Whenever I go to the U.S., I am impressed by how much Samsung has dominated the Android market. Here in Brazil, Samsung is very popular as well. But it faces competition from Motorola, Xiaomi, Asus, and even Huawei and LG. While Samsung keeps stuck in Apple's model, at least for its flagship models, Motorola and Asus are more flexible in many respects.

Asus sells the ROG Phone 5, which has a large battery (6000 mAh), a beefed-up Qualcomm chip, great stereo sound, a 144Hz AMOLED screen, a headphone jack, no wireless charging, and not waterproof. Motorola sells, as its flagship, the Moto G100, with 5G, a Snapdragon 870, a 90Hz LCD screen, 12 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a large battery (5000 mAh), and a headphone jack, all useful stuff, for about half the price of a 64 GB iPhone 12.

These are more anti-Apple than Samsung, as they really defy Apple's concept of what a smartphone should be. Asus challenges Apple by making a flagship smartphone at the same price as an iPhone 12 but with totally different features. It is marketed as a "gamer" but it should not be as many of its features are useful for all users. Motorola challenges Apple by cutting the posh show-offs and putting the most useful features in a streamlined package selling for much less, as if to remember Apple of a time in which the iPhone, then sold for $650, just had to be the best smartphone around, and not the most fully-featured.
 

Michael Scrip

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Motorola challenges Apple by cutting the posh show-offs and putting the most useful features in a streamlined package selling for much less...

It should also be noted that Motorola was a pioneer in the mobile phone market for decades. They were popular in the 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's with phones like the DynaTac, MicroTac, and StarTac.

But Motorola's smartphones performed so poorly in the modern market that the company was bought and sold twice in less than 5 years.

In 2011... Motorola spun-off their mobile division into Motorola Mobility when they started their downturn. That was just 4 short years after the iPhone.

Motorola had to put themselves up for sale.

Then Google bought them for $12 billion in 2012.

Google stripped off what they wanted and put them up for sale again.

Then Lenovo bought what was left for only $3 billion in 2014.

It's tough out there.
 
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I think the slowly dwindling levels in rooting and ROMs is part of the reason why they don't seem as popular as they once were. Just my perspective. I've got both an LG V60 ThinQ 5G and an iPhone 11 Pro Max. I used my Android more than my iPhone to be honest. Just wish I could root it.
 
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