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MacBH928

macrumors G3
May 17, 2008
8,738
3,895
Exactly. lol I don't know what his point was in bringing that up, that really has nothing to do with the discussion lol.

The point is that the point of entry to Android phones is much cheaper than the iPhone, and it has a wider range of people with different income level. this to point out that iPhone users are more well off, meaning less piracy.
 

NZed

macrumors 65816
Jan 24, 2011
1,139
1
Canada, Eh?
ermmm

http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=167794


cant you have it billed to your carrier???
or get citizensbank.ca prepaid VISA................ :

Hmmmmmmmm
or do you just want an "excuse" to justify your piracy?:rolleyes:
LOL

Billing through carrier doesnt work with Canadian carriers... plus i dont have a plan, since i'm usually always in a place with wifi, and when theres emergency, i buy the 2 dollar 10 mb pay as you go plan. Also, even if it did support, i still have to acquire a plan, which requires my parents approval, since they are the 'owner' of this number(although i pay my own bill).

Anyways, its not an excuse, i was so desperate trying to buy an app once that i contacted their developer that i will pay them via paypal or other form of payment for their app. Cant even do that. I have to admit, yes i downloaded a couple pirated apps to use, but then i realized that i didnt like any of it so far and deleted them all. Not an excuse, but i try not to.
 

BFizzzle

macrumors 68020
May 31, 2010
2,443
0
Austin TX
Billing through carrier doesnt work with Canadian carriers... plus i dont have a plan, since i'm usually always in a place with wifi, and when theres emergency, i buy the 2 dollar 10 mb pay as you go plan. Also, even if it did support, i still have to acquire a plan, which requires my parents approval, since they are the 'owner' of this number(although i pay my own bill).

Anyways, its not an excuse, i was so desperate trying to buy an app once that i contacted their developer that i will pay them via paypal or other form of payment for their app. Cant even do that. I have to admit, yes i downloaded a couple pirated apps to use, but then i realized that i didnt like any of it so far and deleted them all. Not an excuse, but i try not to.

what about getting a prepaid visa like i showed you?
 

RMXO

macrumors 6502a
Sep 1, 2009
875
41
I wont be buying apps anytime soon so i dont feel the need. Interesting option though.

That's one option & is Google Passport available in CA? If so, link a card to it & buy your apps through it.
 

JoEw

macrumors 68000
Nov 29, 2009
1,585
1,291
Statistics don't lie. There is a good reason why there are more free apps on the android platform. Don't deny it. It is because of piracy. And yes apple has piracy too, but it takes much more work for average users to pirate on iphone compared to android since android is more "open".

A perfect example is angry birds space 99 cents on iOS. Android it is free. Can someone give me any other explanation for why it is free? Besides of the obvius one I mentioned.

I find it funny when people point out blatant problems with the android ecosystem they are labeled apple fanboys. Android can't be weaker in some areas then iOS? That seems like a fanboy thought.
 

Orange Furball

macrumors 65816
May 18, 2012
1,325
8
Scranton, PA, USA
This title is misleading. The only reason I clicked was because of the "you can't even charge for apps" part. I thought it was a new rule or something. Anyway, the internet is full of piracy.

My 42 year old mom asked me how to pirate stuff after a coworker told her about getting free CDs. I showed her how to pirate the proper way, go to play.google.com and search for the CD. Then press buy and pay like you should.

There will always be users that are trying to get things for free. And at this point the security to protect developers isn't there. Will it be there in the future? Who knows. I hope so.
 

Agathon

macrumors 6502a
Jan 19, 2004
722
80
What's worse is that some of you actually condone pirating. I don't care if it's android or iOS. Who cares if it's more prevelant on one OS as opposed to the other. It's still wrong.

Large scale piracy exists because of a poor business model. If people can get your stuff for nothing with almost no effort, they will. Moral condemnations are a waste of time, since if you can't actually protect property rights in a particular market, that market will usually fail. Lecturing pirates makes about as much sense as trying to persuade people to stop looking at pornography.

Apple understood this from the get go. If you make it moderately difficult for the average user to pirate apps and keep the app prices low, most folks who actually have any money will find it too much of an effort to pirate apps and will buy them instead (people who don't understand this either have no money or too much time or both).

If Google can't sort this out, iOS will get all the good apps, and Android users will have to suffice with adware infested versions. Google needs to sort this out or developers will abandon or degrade their platform.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,877
10,987
Statistics don't lie. There is a good reason why there are more free apps on the android platform. Don't deny it. It is because of piracy. And yes apple has piracy too, but it takes much more work for average users to pirate on iphone compared to android since android is more "open".

I also think it's because of Apple's polices of accepting apps too. Plenty of apps for Android that Apple would never accept in the app store for multiple reasons.

A perfect example is angry birds space 99 cents on iOS. Android it is free. Can someone give me any other explanation for why it is free? Besides of the obvius one I mentioned.

Again, I think there is more factors to it than just piracy. Marketing is one. Some versions of Angry Birds cost and they do charge for an ad free version of the regular Angry Birds. At least that's how it was back when I tried the EVO. Also, the majority of Android phones are on the lower end(cheaper) side vs the top of the line phones always talked about in these forums. I guess they realize that and it's easier to hook millions in when it's free.

I find it funny when people point out blatant problems with the android ecosystem they are labeled apple fanboys. Android can't be weaker in some areas then iOS? That seems like a fanboy thought.

I agree, especially with the first several posts.
 

RMXO

macrumors 6502a
Sep 1, 2009
875
41
Statistics don't lie. There is a good reason why there are more free apps on the android platform. Don't deny it. It is because of piracy. And yes apple has piracy too, but it takes much more work for average users to pirate on iphone compared to android since android is more "open".

A perfect example is angry birds space 99 cents on iOS. Android it is free. Can someone give me any other explanation for why it is free? Besides of the obvius one I mentioned.

I find it funny when people point out blatant problems with the android ecosystem they are labeled apple fanboys. Android can't be weaker in some areas then iOS? That seems like a fanboy thought.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5yb3Zpby5hbmdyeWJpcmRzc3BhY2UucHJlbWl1bSJd

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...xLDEsImNvbS5yb3Zpby5hbmdyeWJpcmRzc3BhY2VIRCJd

those are the paid versions of Angry Birds. Some of the Angry Birds once did cost $.99 but became free over time.

You're right, if an app is free on Android, it must be due to piracy since you get charged for the iOS version. Stats don't lie? I was under the assumption that most statistics posted is BS but I guess I was wrong.
 

ChazUK

macrumors 603
Feb 3, 2008
5,393
25
Essex (UK)
Well this whole thing reeks of publicity.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/2/3214685/dead-trigger-free-ios

Madfinger Games, the studio behind mobile first-person shooter Dead Trigger, earned a fair bit of notoriety recently by making its game free on Android in response to what it called an "unbelievably high" piracy rate. Today, that same game is becoming free on iOS as well. So how does Madfinger feel about piracy on Apple's mobile platform?

Well, there are no grandstanding claims this time around, though CEO Marek Rabas has said that "the number of pirates on iOS is comparable with the amount of jailbroken devices." In general, Rabas is disappointed with the lack of protection both Google and Apple are providing for hard-working game devs like himself, and you can read his full thoughts on developing for mobile platforms in an article he's written over on GameZebo.

Ultimately, this seems like a simple case of a company moving over to a pure freemium model and providing price parity across operating systems — Dead Trigger's real income has always been generated through in-app purchases and upgrades. Players who already bought the game at its previous $0.99 price will be compensated with a helping of in-game loot, but many will feel Madfinger has been less than upfront about its reasons now that it's treated Android and iOS the same way, but openly criticized only one of the two mobile OS leaders..

All jail breakers are pirates eh? What a stupid thing to say.
 

reefoid

macrumors regular
Aug 5, 2011
136
77
UK
This dev has a slightly different viewpoint. Wind Up Knight apparently has a higher piracy rate on iOS than Android (15% vs 12%) but that nearly all of these pirates are from China (where, incidentally, the Android Market is not available but the App Store is).
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
All jail breakers are pirates eh? What a stupid thing to say.

Anyone who believes the premise is daft anyhow. "Hey, I spent hundreds of hours on this, but since there's so much piracy, heff it, I'm giving it away". Yeah right.

Isn't funny though that after all the crying about "Fandroids" invading the iOS forums, now that a seperate forum has been made for Mac/Apple users to discuss alternatives, a few people feel the need to come in here to spread hate/FUD about alternative platforms ? What's good for the goose...
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Damnt, aren't I an idiot buying dead trigger on Android.

I admit it's easier to pirate software on Android, however if you are going through all that work to save 1 dollar (price I paid for dead trigger) then you will pirate on any platform.

Google appname.apk from the phone then download and install.
 

ChazUK

macrumors 603
Feb 3, 2008
5,393
25
Essex (UK)
Isn't funny though that after all the crying about "Fandroids" invading the iOS forums, now that a seperate forum has been made for Mac/Apple users to discuss alternatives, a few people feel the need to come in here to spread hate/FUD about alternative platforms ? What's good for the goose...

I think this new board has filtered out those of us that want to discuss alternatives between those that want to purely troll.

Those that wanted to simply wind up iPhone/iPad users now have no avenue to do so, so they've likely scurried away and those of us left that do want to have sensible chat can here.

The mods are dumping the troll posts to the wasteland which is good too:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1415763/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1414247/

WIN/WIN IMO. :cool:
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Statistics don't lie. There is a good reason why there are more free apps on the android platform. Don't deny it. It is because of piracy. And yes apple has piracy too, but it takes much more work for average users to pirate on iphone compared to android since android is more "open".

A perfect example is angry birds space 99 cents on iOS. Android it is free. Can someone give me any other explanation for why it is free? Besides of the obvius one I mentioned.

I find it funny when people point out blatant problems with the android ecosystem they are labeled apple fanboys. Android can't be weaker in some areas then iOS? That seems like a fanboy thought.

And how does this hurt the average android user that doesn't pirate apps? I'm really not that upset getting an app for free on Android.

Some may argue that there's ads. Root and install ad blocker, perfectly legal. Now I have an ad free, free version of an identical app that's on iOS.
 

Greg.

macrumors 6502
Sep 12, 2010
405
54
London, UK
Looking at some of the posts on here, you really do see why Apple fans have a reputation of being idiots. There's piracy on both platforms, it's easy to do for either. While Android might be easier to get pirated apps on initially, iOS is worse for in-app purchases: look at iAP cracker and iAPFree. Developers can get screwed either way.
 

jeffe

macrumors 6502a
Feb 17, 2008
601
50
Looking at some of the posts on here, you really do see why Apple fans have a reputation of being idiots. There's piracy on both platforms, it's easy to do for either. While Android might be easier to get pirated apps on initially, iOS is worse for in-app purchases: look at iAP cracker and iAPFree. Developers can get screwed either way.

One developer of a popular app stated that they were experiencing a higher piracy rate on IOS than on Android.

It's a problem on both platforms I suppose.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Looking at some of the posts on here, you really do see why Apple fans have a reputation of being idiots. There's piracy on both platforms, it's easy to do for either. While Android might be easier to get pirated apps on initially, iOS is worse for in-app purchases: look at iAP cracker and iAPFree. Developers can get screwed either way.

Welcome to MacRumors. Where the double standard reigns supreme.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
When you only dwell on the failure stories, it's easy to think that things are so bleak, but for every failure there's a success story.

There was an indie developer that created an app to find your parked car, and he ended up making $1000s a month for a few weeks work.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
I think this new board has filtered out those of us that want to discuss alternatives between those that want to purely troll.

WIN/WIN IMO. :cool:

Except a few users that seem to be here only to bash Android and any innovations/problems it might encounter. I think this thread is a glaring example of that. The OP is not here for objective discussion, he's here to bash.

Same for the multi-user thread for Android, it got derailed fierce by 1 poster insisting the feature was useless and refused to move on to something else, just staying there and making sure everyone knew he didn't like it and it wasn't useful to him (and 75% of replies in the thread are now replies to him instead of discussing the feature).

It's sad that these are probably the same people who were whining of "Android folks" in the iOS/iPhone/iPad forums, that "trolls don't have anything better to do than hang out on Macrumors" and now that Apple users that also use alternatives have a place to discuss their stuff, these users come in and stir the pot.

Leaves to wonder who really was the "troll" in all of this to begin with.
 
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