General Android vs. Apple - aren't you guys ever getting tired of this?

[Prototypical]

I think this better describes ifans. do a functionality point count and it is clear that android has more. but many ifans keep disputing this. saying things like s4 gestured/motion based functions are just gimmicks and then touting the parallax wallpaper as something very innovative and useful clearly shows who wants to win at all costs.

You don't really see the Apple faithful calling for iPhones in every pocket and Android to be wiped from the face of the earth, though. Sure, they might be defensive, and some even a little hypocritical/dense, but there is a fury behind Android users' vitriol that just isn't healthy. Read the comment sections in TechnoBuffalo's Facebook threads, or PhoneDog's blog posts. It can be downright hateful, which is just silly over a phone operating system.

My point is - Apple fans seem to be content with everyone choosing their own device (even if they foolishly consider "yours" to be "inferior"), while Android fans are bent on seeing their favored OS completely dominate the world. I think that is a big contributor to why this "fight" rages on.

 

[onthecouchagain]

It's the hypocrisy and double standards and conditioning that Apple can do no wrong that is the problem. At the end of the day, I don't care who uses what.

Also, Android is an operating system. Apple is a company.

 

[jrswizzle]

It's the hypocrisy and double standards and conditioning that Apple can do no wrong that is the problem. At the end of the day, I don't care who uses what.

Also, Android is an operating system. Apple is a company.

Which is mostly in your own mind.....

 

[Dontazemebro]

I'll tell you what it is. For years the android faithful have had to listen to how inferior android was to ios and now that android has surpassed ios it's only proper that they flex a little bit.

I'm just curious as to where all the "can't we all get along" crowd was about 2-3 years ago .

 

[TacticalDesire]

I'll tell you what it is. For years the android faithful have had to listen to how inferior android was to ios and now that android has surpassed ios it's only proper that they flex a little bit.

I'm just curious as to where all the "can't we all get along" crowd was about 2-3 years ago .

They were there, everyone just ignored them.

 

[Dontazemebro]

They were there, everyone just ignored them.

I doubt it. I was on this board about 2 years ago and the android hate was very much strong.

Hell I remember a few people now that used to be pro ios/anti android that have done a complete 180. It was only a handful of us who even had android devices back then.

 

[ucfgrad93]

I don't think this is a pointless thread at all.

I fully appreciate that this site caters to a broad range of users, some very young and some a lot older.

Several more mature posters have stated on countless occasions that there is no *best* OS or *best* phone. It really depends on the user, his/her requirements.

A sizeable minority here seemingly cannot appreciate that what is "great" to them is somewhat less so to others. However, they will not leave it at that. I don't know whether a few people here have no fulfilling relationships in the real world and thus feel impelled to elevate their devices to the status of a family member or a loved one.

Or simply, they are so insecure, that they practice an egregious form of purchase validation.

Well said. I purchase what I think will work best for me, and let others do the same. There is no one solution for all.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Which is mostly in your own mind.....

Really? Here's one example:

Ok. Sure. I don't like Samsung and it doesn't have to do with the features they implement.

And I'm not trying to deny there isn't some form of double standard.

You can go on and try to twist it and explain it all you want about how it's a very specific type of double standard that relates to different design philosophies and how it's not about X amount of features versus usefulness or whatever drivel was in the rest of your post. The point is, the double standard and hypocrisy is not a fantasy (in fact, it's quite blatant).

Again, this is just one example. Try the other threads. Or, just look at Apple themselves.

To reiterate, I don't care that Apple copies. In fact, I wish they copied more and more quickly. But you're fooling yourself if you think this whole double standard/hypocrisy thing is just an imagined phenomenon.

 

[jrswizzle]

Really? Here's one example:



You can go on and try to twist it and explain it all you want about how it's a very specific type of double standard that relates to different design philosophies and how it's not about X amount of features versus usefulness or whatever drivel was in the rest of your post. The point is, the double standard and hypocrisy is not a fantasy (in fact, it's quite blatant).

Again, this is just one example. Try the other threads. Or, just look at Apple themselves.

Alrighty - lol. Not that I hadn't explained that three + times without any response from you whatsoever. No twisting, its actually pretty straightforward. The fact you refuse to respond to my explanations shows me you have no rebuttal and can't refute any of my claims.

So Apple and its fans are hypocrites, why do you frequent and Apple-related site or use their products?

And if it doesn't bother you that much, why do you make such a stink about it?

My question here is not, why you think there's a double standard - its why do you care?

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I don't think this is a pointless thread at all.

I fully appreciate that this site caters to a broad range of users, some very young and some a lot older.

Several more mature posters have stated on countless occasions that there is no *best* OS or *best* phone. It really depends on the user, his/her requirements.

A sizeable minority here seemingly cannot appreciate that what is "great" to them is somewhat less so to others. However, they will not leave it at that. I don't know whether a few people here have no fulfilling relationships in the real world and thus feel impelled to elevate their devices to the status of a family member or a loved one.

Or simply, they are so insecure, that they practice an egregious form of purchase validation.

I think most of this "insecurity" stems from some imagined slight/air of superiority "Apple fans" and users supposedly have. We're all apparently hypocrites just like Apple - incapable of admitting our OS choice is inferior and a "sick joke" as some have put it.

I don't know about you, but I'm fully transparent with why I don't buy certain company's products - though I use Android, iOS, OS X and Win 7 every single day. When it comes down to it, there is going to be SOME deciding factor that causes an individual to choose one company over the other in terms of products to use. There are simply too many options out there in each category.

So when it comes to Android, if I say I don't like Samsung because of their ads and the fact they load up their software with features I'd never use that has shown to adversely affect both performance and storage but praise Apple for adding features in iOS 7, I'm a hypocrite. Nevermind both implement features in vastly different ways and have different philosophies when updating services and software and hardware. Nevermind that I prefer things a certain way and Samsung's implementations don't jive with my needs/wants. Nevermind that I find HTC's offerings as better for me on the Android side.

Essentially, if you can't look at a number of different software with a number of different preferences and desires and come to the same conclusion about each of them, you're a hypocrite.

I'll continue to use what works for me, thanks. Rather than letting software or a company dictate what I need and use, I'll be the one who dictates use case. Either the software, hardware and implementations jive with my use case or not. It's not the other way around.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Bickering on forums is actually educational. I've learned a lot from many forums catered to different things.

For example: If I say "I like y better cause x can't do what y can", somebody would jump in a prove me wrong. I just learned something.

Or if someone says "x feature on this isn't working right", another user would say "do y & z and it's fix". Anyone who reads the thread might have learned a thing or two.

It's only a few select idiots who refuse to believe anything but their own words.

Seriously, how much info can you gain if everyone is all lovey dovey?

 

[cynics]

I blame Apple. Masters of marketing if nothing else. And human nature of course.

I think this versus thing was from Apples brilliant marketing. Like any big company with good marketing. Think about it. They've created so much desire for a product of course people are going to defend their purchases especially when another company challenges what they've created.

How many products do people wait in line for on release day? Looking around my house their is a better version of nearly everything I own. But I could careless. There are better TV's, household appliances, furniture, everything. But I'm not running out to upgrade them for new features because they work just fine. I have a coffee maker that their are people on this forum that couldn't figure out how it works.

Thinking about it it is very strange anyone argues about any of this stuff. Ford vs Chevy, AMD vs Intel, nVidia vs ATI, etc. Meanwhile CEO's are sitting back and laughing at these ridiculous arguments.

To answer the question these debates will never end.

 

[mib1800]

You don't really see the Apple faithful calling for iPhones in every pocket and Android to be wiped from the face of the earth, though. Sure, they might be defensive, and some even a little hypocritical/dense, but there is a fury behind Android users' vitriol that just isn't healthy. Read the comment sections in TechnoBuffalo's Facebook threads, or PhoneDog's blog posts. It can be downright hateful, which is just silly over a phone operating system.

Some people have axe to grind. Go to the Iphone section of this forum or some apple specific site like appleinsider

My point is - Apple fans seem to be content with everyone choosing their own device (even if they foolishly consider "yours" to be "inferior"), while Android fans are bent on seeing their favored OS completely dominate the world. I think that is a big contributor to why this "fight" rages on.

When someone states the FACT that Android can do something that iphone cannot, why do iFans go into a frenzy and try to argue away the FACT using points like "gimmick", "I don't need so it is useless", "Android always lag" etc. etc. Why can't iOS fans just accept the FACT and move on? Why do some Ifans post the thread on "android copied parallax" which is totally untrue. Anyone would get p*ssed off when IFans repeatedly twist facts (or not wanting to see the reality or have no comprehension of the reality).

And of course some of those cheap and low-life actions by Apple further riled people up more - things like patenting prior arts and then suing or blatantly copy something and declare it as innovation. Do you see such acts coming from Android side?

I would say all these rages stemmed from Apple and its double standard and myopic Apple fans who can't see outside the distortion field put up by Apple. A lot of Apple fans have never ventured out from Apple ecosystem. Many know about Android from forums or 10mins hands-on in the mall only. On the other hand, I bet many Android fans now most probably have owned an iOS device before moving to Android.

 

[cnev3]

I blame Apple. Masters of marketing if nothing else. And human nature of course.

I think this versus thing was from Apples brilliant marketing. Like any big company with good marketing. Think about it. They've created so much desire for a product of course people are going to defend their purchases.

Samsung really has stepped up their game with their marketing and advertising lately. Particularly with the S4.Those "Whats in the box?" commercials were pretty much awesome.

What's in the box? You're not allowed to see! If you saw whats in the box you wouldn't be able to hand it. You would simply die from a brain aneurysm from seeing a phone that looks identical to the previous model.

Also, the commercials about the rabid apple fans in line were very clever and tasteful. Easily better than that overrated orwellian superbowl ad they did back in the 80s.

Samsungs S4 reveal event blew away the boring Apple keynotes. I mean it was like seeing a broadway play. A script, a cast of professional actors, and a live orchestra. I loved it when they played bombastic showtunes while they introduced samsung execs we've never heard of. Apple really needs to make events like this if they expect the iPhone to keep selling. Samsung should do a full feature length play, it was that good.

A Tale of Two Smartphones

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Aren't you guys getting tired of it at SOME point?

Actually, yes, but thank you for throwing fuel on the fire

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I blame Apple. Masters of marketing if nothing else. And human nature of course.

I would ague that they have pretty much mastered design as well..

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I agree with you in that Android is ahead in many ways, part of it is the nature of the beast (or droid) there are so many OEMs and even though only two of them make profits.

This is amazing! So only two make profits and the other dozen or so are just doing it because they want to make the world a magical place with rainbows and unicorns?

Maybe you meant to say that two or three companies make the majority of the profit?

 

[Prototypical]

When someone states the FACT that Android can do something that iphone cannot, why do iFans go into a frenzy and try to argue away the FACT using points like "gimmick", "I don't need so it is useless", "Android always lag" etc. etc. Why can't iOS fans just accept the FACT and move on?

Actually, every one of those things is true in some form or fashion (I spent two years with a Droid, I'm quite familiar with what it's like to own an Android device long-term). The truth is, both Android and Apple have faults. Neither can be crowned "superior" in my opinion, as that title is subjective. My only point in this whole discussion is that Android users seem to be a lot angrier and hostile about the differences... And not just on MacRumors.

And of course some of those cheap and low-life actions by Apple further riled people up more - things like patenting prior arts and then suing or blatantly copy something and declare it as innovation. Do you see such acts coming from Android side?

Given that Samsung got slapped with a billon dollar penalty for doing exactly that, I'd say yes... You DO see it on both sides. This attitude that Apple is the only one suing, and the only one copying ideas is silly at best and blatantly ignorant at worst. They both play the game, and they are both guilty.

I would say all these rages stemmed from Apple and its double standard and myopic Apple fans who can't see outside the distortion field put up by Apple. A lot of Apple fans have never ventured out from Apple ecosystem. Many know about Android from forums or 10mins hands-on in the mall only. On the other hand, I bet many Android fans now most probably have owned an iOS device before moving to Android.

What double standard is that? And if iOS works well for someone, why do they need to "venture out"? That's what Android fanatics can't seem to understand - not everyone has to be converted (or WANTS to be). Not everyone cares if they can customize their app launcher to look like Iron Man, or change their default message app to Snapchat (because iMessage is what they prefer and use most often). That doesn't mean everyone thinks iOS is "superior," it means they prefer it to Android for their own needs. I think it drives Android fans up the wall that the masses just don't "get it," when in reality, neither side seems to "get it..."

...That is, different strokes for different folks.

 

[davydavy]

Subject 1: Petrol / Gas prices are too high / higher than 5 years ago.

Subject 2: More people are now living in poverty and require more food banks to survive

Shall I go on ?

R.I.P my friend.....

Funnily enough, I would differ from you on both of those opinions as well.

Gas/petrol prices are way too low and don't reflect the oil company subsidies or the environmental damage they create. And I'm pretty sure serious poverty has actually shrunk quite a lot over the last 20 years, most notably in south east asia.

Both of these are just my opinions of course (although hopefully I could find some supporting evidence in each case )!

In my view there's always room for differing views (even if we find them annoying, pointless or offensive).

 

[Dontazemebro]

What double standard is that? And if iOS works well for someone, why do they need to "venture out"? That's what Android fanatics can't seem to understand - not everyone has to be converted (or WANTS to be). Not everyone cares if they can customize their app launcher to look like Iron Man, or change their default message app to Snapchat (because iMessage is what they prefer and use most often). That doesn't mean everyone thinks iOS is "superior," it means they prefer it to Android for their own needs. I think it drives Android fans up the wall that the masses just don't "get it," when in reality, neither side seems to "get it..."

...That is, different strokes for different folks.

Even I prefer android and truer words have never been spoken. Quite funny but so true.

 

[mib1800]

Actually, every one of those things is true in some form or fashion (I spent two years with a Droid, I'm quite familiar with what it's like to own an Android device long-term). The truth is, both Android and Apple have faults. Neither can be crowned "superior" in my opinion, as that title is subjective. My only point in this whole discussion is that Android users seem to be a lot angrier and hostile about the differences... And not just on MacRumors.

I think describing something as "superior" as a WHOLE phone is lot more difficult to quantify. I don't think any rational mind (on both sides) would make a conclusion about that. But what is easy to quantify is functionality. Having an accessible "file-system" is definitely BETTER than not having one. But then again many Apple fans argue otherwise.

Given that Samsung got slapped with a billon dollar penalty for doing exactly that, I'd say yes... You DO see it on both sides. This attitude that Apple is the only one suing, and the only one copying ideas is silly at best and blatantly ignorant at worst. They both play the game, and they are both guilty.

We know for a fact that Apple is the one that first started this ruckus. I dont see Google/Samsung using some design patents (that was derived or copied from prior arts) to sue. The last I read Samsung used some 3G/LTE patents which look more like real invention (than Apple copied designs patents) to counter-sue.

True that they both played the game but Apple played DIRTY first.

What double standard is that? And if iOS works well for someone, why do they need to "venture out"? That's what Android fanatics can't seem to understand - not everyone has to be converted (or WANTS to be). Not everyone cares if they can customize their app launcher to look like Iron Man, or change their default message app to Snapchat (because iMessage is what they prefer and use most often). That doesn't mean everyone thinks iOS is "superior," it means they prefer it to Android for their own needs. I think it drives Android fans up the wall that the masses just don't "get it," when in reality, neither side seems to "get it..."

...That is, different strokes for different folks.

It is fine if you don't want to venture out and stay inside your bubble. But when you do that you should refrain from making silly/untrue statements/assumptions about the world outside your bubble. It is kind of frustrating for people who know the inside and outside of the Apple bubble. It is like debating how the world's air current system works with someone who thinks the world is flat.

 

[robanga]

This is amazing! So only two make profits and the other dozen or so are just doing it because they want to make the world a magical place with rainbows and unicorns?

Maybe you meant to say that two or three companies make the majority of the profit?

Actually i believe only 3 of them make profits at all as of last check:

1. Apple with a huge share of overall gross profit in the industry
2. Samsung with higher revenue and volumes but lower profit
3. HTC which barely eked out a profit

All of the rest Sony, LG, Motorola, Nokia etc all sell a lot of product but in the end, were not making money on their businesses in these areas. Why do they do it? Unicorns maybe....but more likely because they believe that they can gain or regain a foothold in the market and turn the profit situation around.

Sometimes companies operate money losing businesses in "hot" markets for strategic value. Other companies invest money in them because they want a share of the action, (Microsoft-> Nokia) component chains need an outlet for products or because culturally for a time at least its not acceptable for them to exist such a highly visible market,

This may be based on six month old data but its probably not far off the mark for today.

 

[jrswizzle]

To the OP - yes.....

Android and iOS are different. Each has pros and cons. Neither is perfect. Both can improve. Each has taken aspects of its counterpart and integrated them into its own ecosystem and OS.

I tried to make that as simple as I could. Anyone who disagrees with any of those statements, feel free to let me know.

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I think describing something as "superior" as a WHOLE phone is lot more difficult to quantify. I don't think any rational mind (on both sides) would make a conclusion about that. But what is easy to quantify is functionality. Having an accessible "file-system" is definitely BETTER than not having one. But then again many Apple fans argue otherwise.

Personally, having access to the file system would not change the way I use my smartphone.

How do I know this? I use an Android phone, and I haven't ONCE accessed its file system.

Again, this comes down to a difference in use cases and philosophies. I dictate my use case which in turn decides the phone I choose. Some choose a phone and let its feature set dictate their use case. Different strokes....

We know for a fact that Apple is the one that first started this ruckus. I dont see Google/Samsung using some design patents (that was derived or copied from prior arts) to sue. The last I read Samsung used some 3G/LTE patents which look more like real invention (than Apple copied designs patents) to counter-sue.

True that they both played the game but Apple played DIRTY first.

Really? I'd love to see your sources. Its true that Apple sued Samsung first, but Apple was sued by quite a few companies before suing Samsung.

Here we're speaking about patent suits. Apple has traditionally done most of its litigation with regards to trademarks (the 'Apple' and 'i-').

It's ironic you bash Apple for suing Samsung for things you claim are insignificant and general, but then are fine with Samsung suing Apple for a technology they freely licensed and that is used as a standard across the entire industry....

The question in the 3G/LTE suit is, did Apple pay the proper licensing fees....it would be quite shocking to learn they didn't.

It is fine if you don't want to venture out and stay inside your bubble. But when you do that you should refrain from making silly/untrue statements/assumptions about the world outside your bubble. It is kind of frustrating for people who know the inside and outside of the Apple bubble. It is like debating how the world's air current system works with someone who thinks the world is flat.

Yes, but then people who actually HAVE ventured outside, yet still prefer Apple and iOS somehow get lumped into these "fanboy" groups who are hypocritical, think Apple can do no wrong, etc....etc...with all the memes and generalizations....

If only each side realized that it did exactly the same things it criticized the other side for doing. It's all really quite silly.

 

[Essenar]

This is the same thing I say to people who are buying graphics cards or gaming systems or cars:

I always buy the one that suits my needs best at the time of purchasing, and I always ignore brand or loyalties in those situations. Whichever gives me the best performance and features that I need at the price I'm willing to pay.

When the iPhone 3GS was out, it was considerably better than the Androids that were out, so I bought it.

When the iPhone 4 came out, I got it, but was quickly dissatisfied that it didn't have LTE or a bigger screen, so I got the Thunderbolt from HTC.

When the iPhone 4S came out, it offered the speed I liked, so I switched back.

I had an iPhone 5 and now I have a Nexus 4. Who knows what I'll have in December. Don't let a device control your choices, be in control of the devices you choose.

I've also owned one ATI card for every Nvidia card I've ever owned. I've owned AMD desktops, Intel desktops, domestic sports cars, Japanese compact sports cars, European cars. I've ordered boxing pay per views one week after I watched a UFC card and I've watched UFC pay per views at the same time as Strikeforce cards on Showtime. I've owned Adidas, Nikes, Reeboks and even New Balance shoes. I listen to hip hop, alternative rock, metalcore, classical music, soft rock, etc etc etc. And, *gasp*, I own a Wii, 360 and PS3. Along with my iPad Retina, I have a Kindle Fire flashed with an Android overlay and a Note 8.0 for the stylus. My desktop has OSX and Windows on it and so does my MacBook Pro. I'm literally a walking anomaly because I enjoy EVERYTHING I can.

I live a better life than fanboys because I get to enjoy everything the world has to offer. I get to say things like, "Yeah I played Gears of War, I love the multi player and today I'm playing The Last of Us", or things like "Oh my iPad is really great for games because they're more developed but I use my Android for productivity due to the widgets".

It's pretty awesome. You guys should try it some time.

 

[daneoni]

Gets old quick