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FrozenTomato

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Apple = innovator

Google/HTC/Motorola/Samsung = imitator


what do you do when an imitator steals your innovation? you sue them.
 

chrono1081

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If anything this is bad news for iPhone...less competition = less intention for innovation
By the way isn't that what Apple had been doing for ages? Try to kill competitors by patent trolling.

I disagree. The whole "competition is good!" thing is completely overblown. Apple is still going to innovate. Apple is usually always so far ahead of its competitors anyway they aren't going to stop that just because Android is in trouble.
 

Vegastouch

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There is no agenda, and I don't know Florian Mueller.

There are a lot of people interested in this topic. People who are rooting for Google, and People who are rooting against.

Not in this thread. There are 54 replies, 19 are yours, 8 are mine saying that nobody cares, and 15 are from people who have made 1 comment that dont really care much and then a conversation between two others about the other guys avatar...LOL...sure, people are interested in this alright.

I obviously, HATE Google. :D

I never would of guessed :rolleyes:


Apple = innovator

Google/HTC/Motorola/Samsung = imitator


what do you do when an imitator steals your innovation? you sue them.

Fender guitar could sue just about everyone then.

It just doesnt always happen as you think. Apple didnt even make the first touch screen so should they be sued?
 

Vegastouch

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In other news, Oracle has just been ordered to lower their damage claims against Google from the 6.1 billion $ they seeked to somewhere around 100$ million :

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ordered_to_lower_damages_claim_against_Google

This follows their patent claims being reduced to 2 from 128, with many declared invalid. Also, with the removal of their copyright claims, this doesn't leave them with much of a case.

Google still has not been found guilty of infringing on the patent claims that do remain and since Davlik is clean room vs the Oracle JVM stuff, I very much doubt Google willfully infringed on those patents, they probably worked around them (there's many ways to skin a cat).

Again guys : Florian Mueller = troll. He spreads FUD. Don't pay any attention to his worthless blog, he's been wrong everytime he posted something about the case.

No surprise. Just a hater starting a meaningless thread.
 
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rdowns

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Not in this thread. There are 54 replies, 19 are yours, 8 are mine saying that nobody cares, and 15 are from people who have made 1 comment that dont really care much and then a conversation between two others about the other guys avatar...LOL...sure, people are interested in this alright.


Yet you keep coming back to try and refute the OP. LOLz. I loves me some Internet tough guys.
 

Rodimus Prime

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1,000+ views.

and just like to point out that most of those views more than likely think you are a troll.
Hell my entire reason for not saying anything in this thread which yes I have been following since you first posted it in the iPhone forums is to avoid feeding the Apple troll.
Knight posted some facts that showed Orale cases is falling apart. This evidence smells more of deprecation on Oracles part. You should go look at the scrubbing oracles done threw it blogs remove the former CEO of Sun post. In those post were ones of him praising Google's choice to go with Java as the base in 2007. Which yes Google pointed out in the judge. That did and still is doing a lot of damage to Oracles case.
Kind of hard to argue something when the former CEO praised it during that time. Now Oracle has been trying to cover that up.
 

Vegastouch

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Yet you keep coming back to try and refute the OP. LOLz. I loves me some Internet tough guys.

<YAWN> Yet all the responses to him and you in this thread have negative marks and all mine are possitive. There is no internet tough guy going on here. Look at the responses. Common sense says those who bothered to respond dont care much about it and see it as no big deal.
 
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FrozenTomato

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<YAWN> Yet all the responses to him and you in this thread have negative marks and all mine are possitive. There is no internet tough guy going on here. Look at the responses. Common sense says those who bothered to respond dont care much about it and see it as no big deal.


It's hilarious you're so riled up about this topic. :D

The truth hurts. Google is a copycat. :D


Again. If this topic doesnt interest you. Keep quiet. :)
 

Vegastouch

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It's hilarious you're so riled up about this topic. :D

The truth hurts. Google is a copycat. :D


Again. If this topic doesnt interest you. Keep quiet. :)

Your right it is funny...because im not riled up at all about it....LOL. I laugh when i see it and you keep telling me people care when it shows by the responses that they dont and only the Google hater cares.....which is YOU!
Alright, ill stop responding now. Nothing to see here.
 

FrozenTomato

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Jul 22, 2011
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Your right it is funny...because im not riled up at all about it....LOL. I laugh when i see it and you keep telling me people care when it shows by the responses that they dont and only the Google hater cares.....which is YOU!
Alright, ill stop responding now. Nothing to see here.

so what if I "hate" Google? Why are u so affected?

Google's do no evil mantra is all hogwash.
 

FrozenTomato

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Here's a few more detail:

Andy's email, together with the fact that Google executives discussed obtaining a license for Java just weeks before Oracle filed a multibillion-dollar lawsuit is pretty damning.
"documenting the discussion could make Google look bad to a jury, which might conclude that Google knew it was using Oracle's technology without permission."
"I'm not saying there was willful infringement, but how are you going to answer this?" demanded U.S. District Judge William Alsup, as he grilled Google attorneys during a hearing in which he repeatedly probed for weakness in the arguments of both sides."
At one point, Holtzman directed Alsup to an internal email sent to Google Android chief Andy Rubin from a Google engineer.
Under the direction of Google co-founders Page and Sergey Brin, Google engineers explored alternatives to using Java technology, but ultimately concluded they "all suck," the email said.

Google should license Java technology, according to the email, which Alsup read aloud in court.


http://www.siliconvalley.com/companies/ci_18525231?source=pkg
http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuter...udge_criticizes_Google_and_Oracle_at_hearing/
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
The judge is not happy with Oracle's damage claims at all. He also got angry at Oracle for trying to use trade secret law to gag him:

"The big companies do not own the U.S. District Court. When it comes to a public hearing I’m not going to resort to Morse code to figure out what you are saying. This is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Oracle. Nobody is going to put my word under seal even if I refer to your secret documents

And now, emails have turned up that support Google's Java implementation:

Sun CEO explicity endorsed Android's use of Java

In an attempt to hide such information, Oracle erased the supporting blog from their site, but not before a copy was made.
 

FrozenTomato

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Jul 22, 2011
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The judge is not happy with Oracle's damage claims at all. He also got angry at Oracle for trying to use trade secret law to gag him:

"The big companies do not own the U.S. District Court. When it comes to a public hearing I’m not going to resort to Morse code to figure out what you are saying. This is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Oracle. Nobody is going to put my word under seal even if I refer to your secret documents

And now, emails have turned up that support Google's Java implementation:

Sun CEO explicity endorsed Android's use of Java

In an attempt to hide such information, Oracle erased the supporting blog from their site, but not before a copy was made.


it doesn't matter if Jonathan Schwartz "endorsed" Android's use of Java. Endorsement's are not legally binding since there is no contract.

AND THIS -------> After Schwartz "Endorsed" Android's use of Java, SUN offered Google a three-year, "all-in" royalty license for Java for $100 million, which Google rejected.

OH SNAP! :eek:


Here's what the Judge thinks ----> Alsup (THE JUDGE) also made it clear that he thinks Google's ad revenues are linked to the value of Android - something Google contests -- and that it will have to pay damages "probably in the millions ... maybe the billions" if it's found guilty of infringement.

OH SNAP! :eek:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/072211-google-sun-offered-to-license.html
 

*LTD*

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In light of the Android-related events of the past few months, one is forced to wonder how much of Google's IP isn't stolen.
 

FrozenTomato

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In light of the Android-related events of the past few months, one is forced to wonder how much of Google's IP isn't stolen.

What Google IP? :D

Google doesn't have a lot of patents. Google copy other company's innovations, put crappy Ads on them and give it away for free like it's theirs.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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it doesn't matter if Jonathan Schwartz "endorsed" Android's use of Java. Endorsement's are not legally binding since there is no contract.

AND THIS -------> After Schwartz "Endorsed" Android's use of Java, SUN offered Google a three-year, "all-in" royalty license for Java for $100 million, which Google rejected.

OH SNAP! :eek:


Here's what the Judge thinks ----> Alsup (THE JUDGE) also made it clear that he thinks Google's ad revenues are linked to the value of Android - something Google contests -- and that it will have to pay damages "probably in the millions ... maybe the billions" if it's found guilty of infringement.

OH SNAP! :eek:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/072211-google-sun-offered-to-license.html

you should read the article instead of trying to cherry pick lines.
The more you post things like this the more it is pretty clear you are trolling.
Hell you make LTD look like he never trolls and you are worse the LTD and that is saying a lot.
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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You can read the article. I posted the most important details.

I did which is why I suggested you read it.
You pulled out trolling parts of it but if you read the article you would quickly see they are not nearly as big as you make them out to be.

Really learn to read instead of doing troll post.
 

*LTD*

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You pulled out trolling parts of it but if you read the article you would quickly see they are not nearly as big as you make them out to be.

Really learn to read instead of doing troll post.

Here's the section in full:

Judge suspects Google of having preferred "to roll the dice on possible litigation rather than to pay a fair price"

In connection with the theories Google presented, the judge refers to one (even in a headline) as "Google's Soviet-style negotiation", defined as "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable". In that context, the judge suspects the following attitude:

"Google may have simply been brazen, preferring to roll the dice on possible litigation rather than to pay a fair price."

That kind of statement reflects extremely unfavorably on Google. It's exactly the kind of basis on which the judge might consider an injunction a highly appropriate remedy, and a tripling of the base damages amount, too.

One of the most interesting passages in today's order quotes from an October 2005 email by Google's Android boss Andy Rubin:

"If Sun doesn't want to work with us, we have two options: 1) Abandon our work and adopt MSFT CLR VM and C# language - or - 2) Do Java anyway and defend our decision, perhaps making enemies along the way"

If a jury sees that statement (and if there is a trial, then the jury will see it for sure), Google has a very serious problem. And "very serious" may be an understatement. Moreover, a statement like that showing up in publicly accessible court documents now may cause significant concern among many of Google's Android partners (including, but not limited to, device makers).


Yeah. That's pretty damning.

Of course, if it makes one of the parties look particularly bad it *must* be trolling, right?

So what's the "trolling" part? The OP's highlighting of the facts or the author's legitimate assessment of another piece of the mounting evidence that Google's OS is an agglomeration of infringements, with a shady attitude to match?
 

Rodimus Prime

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Oct 9, 2006
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Here's the section in full:

Judge suspects Google of having preferred "to roll the dice on possible litigation rather than to pay a fair price"

In connection with the theories Google presented, the judge refers to one (even in a headline) as "Google's Soviet-style negotiation", defined as "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable". In that context, the judge suspects the following attitude:

"Google may have simply been brazen, preferring to roll the dice on possible litigation rather than to pay a fair price."

That kind of statement reflects extremely unfavorably on Google. It's exactly the kind of basis on which the judge might consider an injunction a highly appropriate remedy, and a tripling of the base damages amount, too.

One of the most interesting passages in today's order quotes from an October 2005 email by Google's Android boss Andy Rubin:

"If Sun doesn't want to work with us, we have two options: 1) Abandon our work and adopt MSFT CLR VM and C# language - or - 2) Do Java anyway and defend our decision, perhaps making enemies along the way"

If a jury sees that statement (and if there is a trial, then the jury will see it for sure), Google has a very serious problem. And "very serious" may be an understatement. Moreover, a statement like that showing up in publicly accessible court documents now may cause significant concern among many of Google's Android partners (including, but not limited to, device makers).


Yeah. That's pretty damning.

Of course, if it makes one of the parties look particularly bad it *must* be trolling, right?

So what's the "trolling" part? The OP's highlighting of the facts or the author's legitimate assessment of another piece of the mounting evidence that Google's OS is an agglomeration of infringements, with a shady attitude to match?


Read the rest of it
The e-mail was written only last year, Van Nest protested, long after Google developed Android.
Jonathan Schwartz, Sun's former CEO, deposed under subpoena this week, it emerged on Thursday. He testified that Android did not fragment the Java platform, that it was based on technology developed by Google or licensed from the Apache Software Foundation, and that Sun welcomed it as a way to expand Java's use, according to Van Nest.

That could undermine Oracle's damages claim, which is based partly on the idea that Sun feared Android would fragment Java.
 
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