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I sure hope the rumors of them going to Wear OS aren't true. I'd hate to have to use Google Fit vs. Samsung Health, or Google's music option, or not be able to text unless I used Android Messages (prefer Samsung's Messages for more customization.)

Besides, Wear OS has broken features still unfixed, horrible battery life, and it's been largely abandoned by Google-who has this horrendous track record of killing off products for no real reason--including those used by a lot of people who protested to no avail (Google Reader)

 

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I sure hope the rumors of them going to Wear OS aren't true. I'd hate to have to use Google Fit vs. Samsung Health, or Google's music option, or not be able to text unless I used Android Messages (prefer Samsung's Messages for more customization.)

Besides, Wear OS has broken features still unfixed, horrible battery life, and it's been largely abandoned by Google-who has this horrendous track record of killing off products for no real reason--including those used by a lot of people who protested to no avail (Google Reader)


They aren't rumors, Samsung has officially said their next watches will be Wear OS. They are supporting older watches on Tizen for 3 years. Part of all of this is that Samsung has been working closely with Google to help fix all the stuff that Wear OS is lacking in such as health tracking, battery life, etc. It's a massive collaboration between Samsung and Google and personally I'm really excited about it. Also don't forget Google purchased fitbit, so the health tracking will be improved by their input as well.

They also just leaked the pictures of the new GW4, official stuff is supposed to come Monday.
 
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Also don't forget Google purchased fitbit, so the health tracking will be improved by their input as well.
Google also purchased Revolv, which didn't go down well for those users who paid for the 'lifetime' option. Once you've been screwed over multiple times by Google you tend to never forget about it. The whole Motorola venture also didn't pan out well, and neither did Alphabet.

As for Fitbit, after they killed off Pebble, many swore off even acknowledging their existence. I don't blame them. I have tried WearOS and hated every bit of it since 2.x broke things such as navigation, made Assistant less stable/reliable (the sad cloud icon saying 'you're offline' happens too often) among the horrible battery life among other issues. I'm glad I got my Watch 3 before this would happen. I refuse to use Fit over Samsung Health, and Assistant over Bixby. There are a lot of things Tizen does far better than Google especially no demand or dependence on Google Play Services, which I got disabled and it netted me tons of battery life in the process.

Things Wear OS can't do that Tizen/Bixby can do in 2021:

1. Send a message entirely hands-free (WearOS you have to tap a 'send' icon)

2. Turn on water lock mode (there is no water lock mode on some Wear OS watches, and those which have it, Google Assistant can't toggle it)

3. clear notifications

4. start navigation (Even today, you attempt it, it tries, then you get an error simply saying 'couldn't start navigation'. pull your phone out, it's showing the screen where you can tap start navigation which then works, but having to use your phone defeats using a watch!)

5. Change the watch volume/screen brightness.

That's just a few I know off hand. If Google would stop abandoning or killing off products all the time I might have given them a chance. Google Play Music was the last straw, sorry.
 
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I sure hope the rumors of them going to Wear OS aren't true. I'd hate to have to use Google Fit vs. Samsung Health, or Google's music option, or not be able to text unless I used Android Messages (prefer Samsung's Messages for more customization.)

Besides, Wear OS has broken features still unfixed, horrible battery life, and it's been largely abandoned by Google-who has this horrendous track record of killing off products for no real reason--including those used by a lot of people who protested to no avail (Google Reader)

Horrible battery life? really? I could barely get a day out of my series 3, meanwhile I could go a week with my garmin no problem. Same with my fitbit watch. My brother had a wearOS and he could get 3 days out of that one. The Garmin and Fitbit were screen on all the time too.
 
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My Watch 3 can go a day and a half, and my 2018 Galaxy Watch can go 2-3 days with the same settings (AOD on, Goodnight mode auto, Bixby on, Brightness all the way down, etc).

My Urbane barely made it 12 hours, and the G Watch Style could barely manage a day at work (8-9 hours). Any Wear OS device I had needed charging twice daily. Even my Apple Watch Series 5 had better luck.

Fitbit can last a week depending on the model. the Ionic I tried a week before hating it lasted at least 3 days. Some of their watches are e-paper given they got some of Pebble's assets so that helps. I don't consider Fitbits really smartwatches, mainly fitness trackers with notification support.

Galaxy watches are best if you don't have the cellular model, and keep Wifi and NFC disabled (NFC turns on temporarily if you use Samsung Pay) and turn bezel wake and tap to wake off. I just got wrist to wake on. Also, like with my Apple Watch, it takes a few weeks for stuff to sync and the battery algoritim to learn your habits before you get decent life. My Watch 3 used a tons the first few days, and has now settled about where my original Galaxy Watch is at, give or take an hour. I only got the Watch 3 because my original Galaxy Watch was so slow as to be unusable on the latest update. Bixby was almost entirely broken or too slow to be useful on that one. In a way, it felt like the Urbane running Wear OS 2.x.

I actually liked Wear 1.1, from the ZenWatch, Motorola 360, and the like. I thought it was far superior and more things worked. But that's Google, they gotta fix things until they break, instead of not fixing what ain't broken.
 

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Google also purchased Revolv, which didn't go down well for those users who paid for the 'lifetime' option. Once you've been screwed over multiple times by Google you tend to never forget about it. The whole Motorola venture also didn't pan out well, and neither did Alphabet.

As for Fitbit, after they killed off Pebble, many swore off even acknowledging their existence. I don't blame them. I have tried WearOS and hated every bit of it since 2.x broke things such as navigation, made Assistant less stable/reliable (the sad cloud icon saying 'you're offline' happens too often) among the horrible battery life among other issues. I'm glad I got my Watch 3 before this would happen. I refuse to use Fit over Samsung Health, and Assistant over Bixby. There are a lot of things Tizen does far better than Google especially no demand or dependence on Google Play Services, which I got disabled and it netted me tons of battery life in the process.

Things Wear OS can't do that Tizen/Bixby can do in 2021:

1. Send a message entirely hands-free (WearOS you have to tap a 'send' icon)

2. Turn on water lock mode (there is no water lock mode on some Wear OS watches, and those which have it, Google Assistant can't toggle it)

3. clear notifications

4. start navigation (Even today, you attempt it, it tries, then you get an error simply saying 'couldn't start navigation'. pull your phone out, it's showing the screen where you can tap start navigation which then works, but having to use your phone defeats using a watch!)

5. Change the watch volume/screen brightness.

That's just a few I know off hand. If Google would stop abandoning or killing off products all the time I might have given them a chance. Google Play Music was the last straw, sorry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm only cautiously optimistic. I agree that Tizen blows Wear OS away and really do hope that this collaboration doesn't get mired in Google's tendency to abandon projects.
 
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My Watch 3 can go a day and a half, and my 2018 Galaxy Watch can go 2-3 days with the same settings (AOD on, Goodnight mode auto, Bixby on, Brightness all the way down, etc).

My Urbane barely made it 12 hours, and the G Watch Style could barely manage a day at work (8-9 hours). Any Wear OS device I had needed charging twice daily. Even my Apple Watch Series 5 had better luck.

Fitbit can last a week depending on the model. the Ionic I tried a week before hating it lasted at least 3 days. Some of their watches are e-paper given they got some of Pebble's assets so that helps. I don't consider Fitbits really smartwatches, mainly fitness trackers with notification support.

Galaxy watches are best if you don't have the cellular model, and keep Wifi and NFC disabled (NFC turns on temporarily if you use Samsung Pay) and turn bezel wake and tap to wake off. I just got wrist to wake on. Also, like with my Apple Watch, it takes a few weeks for stuff to sync and the battery algoritim to learn your habits before you get decent life. My Watch 3 used a tons the first few days, and has now settled about where my original Galaxy Watch is at, give or take an hour. I only got the Watch 3 because my original Galaxy Watch was so slow as to be unusable on the latest update. Bixby was almost entirely broken or too slow to be useful on that one. In a way, it felt like the Urbane running Wear OS 2.x.

I actually liked Wear 1.1, from the ZenWatch, Motorola 360, and the like. I thought it was far superior and more things worked. But that's Google, they gotta fix things until they break, instead of not fixing what ain't broken.

Yeah my GW3 gets about a day and a half (that's the cellular version with cellular on, and with AOD on), which is really a day because I'm never going to wear it and charge it half through the day. I think the Achilles heel on the GW3 is the charging time, it's really really long. Last I checked I think it was like 3 hours for a full charge, that's just way too long. I'd like to see something closer to half that so I could get significant charging when showering, at lunchtime, etc.
 

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Try using a different power brick that can output at least 1 amp (the Watch3 doesn't come with one). Mine charges from 40% to full in about an hour, which with the 2018 Watch it took 1 hour, 15 minutes. Sometimes, if the power brick is too weak the watch if you check it during charging will say 'use original charger'.
 
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They aren't rumors, Samsung has officially said their next watches will be Wear OS. They are supporting older watches on Tizen for 3 years. Part of all of this is that Samsung has been working closely with Google to help fix all the stuff that Wear OS is lacking in such as health tracking, battery life, etc. It's a massive collaboration between Samsung and Google and personally I'm really excited about it. Also don't forget Google purchased fitbit, so the health tracking will be improved by their input as well.

They also just leaked the pictures of the new GW4, official stuff is supposed to come Monday.
Looks promising!

 
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nickdalzell1

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Looks disappointing to me. I hated WearOS. Really broken, you can't even use Assistant to do half of what Bixby can do. I prefer Samsung Health over Google Fit, I don't trust Google long term anymore, and playing downloaded music was broken, Spotify downloading broken on latest WearOS build as well. Play Music integration gone, meaning you only get remote music controls, no native music apps. It's a downgrade. Wear OS is dead people!

Seriously what was Samsung thinking?!

Can't even call or text from watch using Assistant. Just get 'can't connect to phone' with sad cloud icon. Even when it did work, it was not hands-free like using Bixby. You have to tap 'send' icon.
 

Shanghaichica

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Looks disappointing to me. I hated WearOS. Really broken, you can't even use Assistant to do half of what Bixby can do. I prefer Samsung Health over Google Fit, I don't trust Google long term anymore, and playing downloaded music was broken, Spotify downloading broken on latest WearOS build as well. Play Music integration gone, meaning you only get remote music controls, no native music apps. It's a downgrade. Wear OS is dead people!

Seriously what was Samsung thinking?!

Can't even call or text from watch using Assistant. Just get 'can't connect to phone' with sad cloud icon. Even when it did work, it was not hands-free like using Bixby. You have to tap 'send' icon.
They aren’t getting rid of any of the Samsung services or apps. They all stay. What you are getting is something similar to Samsung phones. It runs Google’s software but there will be a Samsung skin over the top (one UI) and all of Samsung’s first party features and Apps stay. What you get is access to the google play store, so you get more apps.

It really depends on what new features the 4 has. At the moment I’m not really bothered about the lack of app support because for 99% of the things I use my Apple Watch for the Samsung watch can do.

In terms of google features, I’d want the Google assistant and google maps. Apple Music would be nice but I don’t ever really use my watch for music and I could use Google play music on the new wear watches.

I really like my active 2 and the only things that it can’t do that I’d want it to do is control playback on my chromecast and google nest speakers. I’m hopeful that these features will come with the new watches. However if not I’d be happy to stay with the active 2, unless they bring out some new health features like blood glucose monitoring.

On the plus side the Active 2 and watch 3 will still get updates until the next generation of Samsung wear watches come out. So your current watches are still good enough while the new OS irons out any kinks.
 

nickdalzell1

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See, I hate Google's apps. I prefer Samsung. I also prefer Bixby over Assistant (it does far more!)

I also HATED WEAR OS. Hoping my 3 doesn't get updated. A skin won't fix what was broken in Wear OS. I don't like reduced battery life or Google apps which don't work correctly. I'm guessing they'll be using Android Messages over Samsung Messages now? (the S21 does.)

Google Assistant can't send texts hands-free like Bixby. Can't enable Water Lock Mode either. Half the time it fails. It can't start navigation either (broken in later Wear OS builds. 'can't start navigation' error)

I felt more private on Tizen (also since I disabled every Google app on the phone) and it felt more like classic AOSP Android. Going Wear OS means you're vulnearable to Google up and killing it like they always do, and many apps are replaced with Google apps. Also you're having to rely on Play Services which I get rid of since it drains battery and has massive privacy issues.
 

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See, I hate Google's apps. I prefer Samsung. I also prefer Bixby over Assistant (it does far more!)

I also HATED WEAR OS. Hoping my 3 doesn't get updated. A skin won't fix what was broken in Wear OS. I don't like reduced battery life or Google apps which don't work correctly. I'm guessing they'll be using Android Messages over Samsung Messages now? (the S21 does.)

Google Assistant can't send texts hands-free like Bixby. Can't enable Water Lock Mode either. Half the time it fails. It can't start navigation either (broken in later Wear OS builds. 'can't start navigation' error)

I felt more private on Tizen (also since I disabled every Google app on the phone) and it felt more like classic AOSP Android. Going Wear OS means you're vulnearable to Google up and killing it like they always do, and many apps are replaced with Google apps. Also you're having to rely on Play Services which I get rid of since it drains battery and has massive privacy issues.
Your 3 won't get updated. It's only the new watches that will get wear. Existing watches are staying on Tizen.
 

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Looks disappointing to me. I hated WearOS. Really broken, you can't even use Assistant to do half of what Bixby can do. I prefer Samsung Health over Google Fit, I don't trust Google long term anymore, and playing downloaded music was broken, Spotify downloading broken on latest WearOS build as well. Play Music integration gone, meaning you only get remote music controls, no native music apps. It's a downgrade. Wear OS is dead people!

Seriously what was Samsung thinking?!

Can't even call or text from watch using Assistant. Just get 'can't connect to phone' with sad cloud icon. Even when it did work, it was not hands-free like using Bixby. You have to tap 'send' icon.

The more I think about it, the more nervous I am. Bixby gets a bad rap, but I actually like it and prefer it over Google assistant. It annoys me to no end that I am forced to use Google assistant on Android auto as I have all my privacy settings turned off for Google, I can't even make a phone call or listen to a text. Samsung health is much nicer also, I'm hoping Google really just copies Samsung. Samsung really did a fine job with Tizen on their watches.
 
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nickdalzell1

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The more I think about it, the more nervous I am. Bixby gets a bad rap, but I actually like it and prefer it over Google assistant. It annoys me to no end that I am forced to use Google assistant on Android auto as I have all my privacy settings turned off for Google, I can't even make a phone call or listen to a text. Samsung health is much nicer also, I'm hoping Google really just copies Samsung. Samsung really did a fine job with Tizen on their watches.
I've experienced Wear OS's version of Google Assistant. If anyone hates Bixby and expects the Assistant to be like it is on their phones, forget it. It's 1/3 functional at best. Fails more often than one would expect. It can't do half of what Bixby can do. I think of Bixby more as a voice control for your phone, not as a replacement for Assistant (thankfully on phones, you have both! And neither conflict with each other, and both respond to their respective wake words via my Buds as well). Bixby can pretty much avoid a touchscreen full of finger prints. It really comes in handy to text, call, or do functional things on the phone (Hi Bixby, Open Galaxy Store and install Megapolis). I've wanted that level of control since watching Star Trek. I always hated grimy touchscreens or viewing content through them. So in that respect Bixby works quite well.

On my Watch 3, it can do similar functional things such as go back to the main screen, open apps, text, call, turn on water lock mode, pause or play or change volume of music on the phone, and far more. It's actually more feature-rich than it was on the 2018 Watch.

On Wear OS, Assistant is all you get (unless Samsung gives us both). Not only is Wear OS a battery hog (get used to charging twice daily), the Assistant is pretty broken. Even more so since Play Music integration was removed (there is no Wear OS YouTube Music app like there is on Apple Watch and no way to control it from Assistant on the watch) You cannot add tracks to play from the watch at all since there is no native music player once Play Music got axed (thank you very much, Google). Apps such as Spotify can't play offline via watch.

Assistant can't start navigation anymore (it tries, fails, and just says 'couldn't start navigation'). It does get the navigation going on the phone however, but you have to tap 'start' to get it to work, which means pulling your phone out, unlocking it, and tapping the screen. Assistant used to be able to text or call, although it was not hands-free. It'd know to open messages (Android Messages, and I'm guessing Google Assistant can't work with Samsung's app) and it'd dictate it, but you had to actually tap 'send message' yourself. Bixby can do the entire thing hands-free.

Today, either feature is broken. It just shows a sad cloud icon saying 'Can't connect to your phone' which is its universal error for a bad connection or a misinterpreted command. Now, on Wear 1.1, it was all great. It was a far more viable platform and had potential until Google rebranded and changed it.

Functionally, Google Assistant can't do much other than open apps, dictate text, and install things from Play Store. It's not at all as good as it is on the phones, or speakers.

I don't know why Samsung thought they needed to go Wear OS. The rumor has been a thing since the Samsung Gear S3, so I hope it's still just that. Google has pretty much abandoned Wear OS as a platform, and I'm guessing if Samsung does try using it, they would have to fork it like a Kindle tablet does. I certainly don't want Play Store or other Google apps on my watch. That's a nightmare I would never want to revisit--it was really that bad!
 
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nickdalzell1

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I originally planned to get an iPhone 12 Pro and an Apple Watch Series 6, but decided instead to get the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G and the Galaxy Watch 3, and Galaxy Buds Live instead. I got pretty much feature parity and more with this setup.

I don't feel like anything is missing. Even ECG works as it should (Apple Watch 5 kept giving me 'inconclusive' results for no reason).

When I get a setup I like, I don't intend on changing it or having it break via updates. So long as they confine this WearOS nightmare to the 4 and above, I'll remain happy to use Bixby and the like and just pity those who can't even turn on water lock mode on the 4, or can't text or navigate.
 

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I own the AW6. Helped a friend (not technically inclined) a week ago with her Samsung 2 Gold Rose(She has a Samsung phone)(my Samsung powers are limited to).

Out of the box setup wasn’t close. AW was quick and easy. it wasn’t flat out was not for the Rose2. Imho Samsung needs to tighten this up. Regular non tech inclined users, like, her will get very frustrated.

Turning on, The Samsung display was very good. It’s a close but imho the nod goes to the Samsung.

They both mimic a fair amount of each other’s features, just delivered with UI differences. that’s all subjective.
Apple IMHO had the better ready to go integrated health app (but that may also be subjective).
Adding Apps on my AW was automatic from iPhone app list (watch compatible ones). I Didn’t see that specifically happen (maybe in the background?). One feature attempt directed her to the internet for something. Don’t know what happened with that (does it upgrade from phone or directly to Samsung?)

Samsung speaker volume had a few decibels higher top end loudness. Loudness of speaker goes to Samsung. Funny side note, it comes default really yapping about everything lol. No knock on it for that, it is subjective and could be adjusted to how much speech you want back. I prefer almost every things alerts me with the slight pulse vibration. Never got it to do that on the Rose2 but I was getting hangry and she had enough at this point 😀 (she’ll find it eventually).

Speaker phone capability, AW. (maybe this needed tweaking to even it up).

Imho if you have an iPhone you are crazy not to go with the AW. Other than listed above, it’s also unlocking devices in the eco, controlling ATV and others, handing off with the parts in the eco. Imho Samsung has a good watch but it needs a bit of setup automation work and easier integration before I’d give it a rank close to AW6. Imho…
 
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I own the AW6. Helped a friend (not technically inclined) a week ago with her Samsung 2 Gold Rose(She has a Samsung phone)(my Samsung powers are limited to).

Out of the box setup wasn’t close. AW was quick and easy. it wasn’t flat out was not for the Rose2. Imho Samsung needs to tighten this up. Regular non tech inclined users, like, her will get very frustrated.

Turning on, The Samsung display was very good. It’s a close but imho the nod goes to the Samsung.

They both mimic a fair amount of each other’s features, just delivered with UI differences. that’s all subjective.
Apple IMHO had the better ready to go integrated health app (but that may also be subjective).
Adding Apps on my AW was automatic from iPhone app list (watch compatible ones). I Didn’t see that specifically happen (maybe in the background?). One feature attempt directed her to the internet for something. Don’t know what happened with that (does it upgrade from phone or directly to Samsung?)

Samsung speaker volume had a few decibels higher top end loudness. Loudness of speaker goes to Samsung. Funny side note, it comes default really yapping about everything lol. No knock on it for that, it is subjective and could be adjusted to how much speech you want back. I prefer almost every things alerts me with the slight pulse vibration. Never got it to do that on the Rose2 but I was getting hangry and she had enough at this point 😀 (she’ll find it eventually).

Speaker phone capability, AW. (maybe this needed tweaking to even it up).

Imho if you have an iPhone you are crazy not to go with the AW. Other than listed above, it’s also unlocking devices in the eco, controlling ATV and others, handing off with the parts in the eco. Imho Samsung has a good watch but it needs a bit of setup automation work and easier integration before I’d give it a rank close to AW6. Imho…
I recently set up a galaxy watch active 2. It wasn’t difficult. I did it in a few minutes. However it wasn’t clear what was going on. Maybe it’s because I’ve set up many apple watches and only 2 Samsung Watches. Although it was easy, I feel that the Apple Watch explains more about what is going on as you are setting it up.
 

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I for one am glad Samsung hasn't played the dumbing down card like Google or Apple myself. That's what makes me respect them more. I'm a geek, I read manuals, and I love to learn. Having a device that gives me tons of options with the trade off being that I must take responsibility for my actions is a good thing in my book.

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I actually prefer Samsung's Health app. I prefer its UI and it feels far more motivating than the dark app that Apple has. I love the whimsical badges and interactive challenges. Apple's awards, specifically the 'limited edition' awards have this bad habit of vanishing forever after a month or so, making earning them pointless.
 
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I recently saw a notification posted via Samsung's Wearables app (or it might have been their Health app) that various older hardware which was WearOS-based is I guess going to be migrated to Tizen OS.

So, Wear OS is a dead issue.
 

nickdalzell1

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The only WearOS (correctly, Android Wear 1.1) was the Gear Live. That is an antique today, much like LG's G Watch. First-gen product. Doubtful it's going to get a Tizen upgrade.

As for alternatives to Apple Watch, try the Amazfit GTS. It has a very Apple Watch-like UI design, and I got it for improved sleep tracking (since my Samsung watch tries to give me low sleep scores for no real reason, but if I only sleep 3 hours it gives me scores in the 80s while I just feel like crap!). Battery life is also quite impressive, has OLED display, square display style, and AOD. $99 rollback at Walmart.

Expect it to be a fitness tracker vs. smartwatch though, it's got a music controller, and can take calls and get SMS notifications, but its main focus is on fitness, so it's a Fitbit-clone with an Apple Watch styled UI and watch face selection. You can install apps via Play Store/Apple App Store though.

I love my Watch 3, but the sleep tracking is completely buggered or broken. It used to give an 'efficiency' score which was far more accurate, but the 'score' just feels like Samsung's pulling numbers out of its behind. I don't understand why it gives me 'poor' ratings for sleeping 8-10 hours and feeling energized but it gives me 'excellent' scores for when I barely sleep at all and feel drunk all day with a migraine. I can't seem to turn the 'efficiency' scores back, or revert them back, either in Samsung Health or on the watch. Fitbits also do 'scores' which are equally confusing.
 
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