Any Macs still made in USA?

[runplaysleeprun]

Aren't almost all of Dell's computers that you purchase made in the US?
And everyone knows Dell's cost less.

Don't Intel,AMD, and other tech companies build their top-of-the-line stuff in places other than China because they need a higher quality assuarance than what is offered in China? I think Intel has two plants in China, but they only churn out the cheap products.

Didn't AMD just build a plant in Germany to handle some of their top products? I thought I read about them saying that they needed to go outside of China for higher quality.

I'm pretty sure dell has a big plant in Ireland, around wicklow or dublin.

 

[portent]

All of Dell's desktop PCs sold in the US are built in the US, in Nashville, Austin, and Winston-Salem. Much of Dell's profitability is due to its efficient supply chain and custom just-in-time assembly.

Dell's notebooks are assembled by Taiwanese and Chinese contract manufacturers--often the same ones Apple uses.

 

[tekmoe]

Dell's notebooks are assembled by Taiwanese and Chinese contract manufacturers--often the same ones Apple uses.

that is scary. i think dell laptops are cheap crap.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

that is scary. i think dell laptops are cheap crap.

If you start with crap designs, you get crap product, no matter how good the manufacturer.

If you start with good designs, and send them to good manufacturers, you get good product.

 

[Psychic Shopper]

Aren't almost all of Dell's computers that you purchase made in the US?
And everyone knows Dell's cost less.

Don't Intel,AMD, and other tech companies build their top-of-the-line stuff in places other than China because they need a higher quality assuarance than what is offered in China? I think Intel has two plants in China, but they only churn out the cheap products.

Didn't AMD just build a plant in Germany to handle some of their top products? I thought I read about them saying that they needed to go outside of China for higher quality.

Any country can make good products as long as they follow quality control guidelines. It's when you shop out the actual job of making that thing that quality will start to suffer

 

[titangears]

Outsourcing is a fact in this global economy. That being said, it is usually someone elses problem until it happens to you. It happened to me in 2001 when my software development job (and everyone elses on my team) went to India. It wasn't fun trying to find another job in the middle of the dot-com recession. As a US citizen, what I objected to then (and now) was the importation of jobs via H1B & L1 visas by corporations that didn't want to hire Americans. Why? Because it would cost them more than they wanted to pay. We're not talking low skilled jobs either. Many of these were (are) highly skilled jobs such as engineers, scientists & computer programmers. Why import these jobs when there are plenty of Americans who have the skills and experience & want to work in these positions? Perhaps one day the bean-counters will get outsourced. Better yet, lets outsource the politician's jobs in Washington that refuse to lower the H1B & L1 visa limits.

 

[Little Endian]

My Quad 2.5Ghz PowerMac says Assembled in the USA. Assembled here in the USA but apparently from parts around the Globe.

I know the two IBM 970MP chips are built here in the USA at IBM's Fishkill NY plant. The stock RAM chips that came from Apple are Made in the USA. Crucial branded memory chips probably from Micron's Fab plant in Boise, Idaho.

As far as foreign made Components go the Liquid Cooling system is apparently made in a Delphi plant in Juarez Mexico that is if that plant is still open. My Cinema Display and isight are made in China. Keyboard and mighty Mouse made in Malaysia. Optical and Hardrives come from Malaysia too. As far as the MOBO goes I have no idea where it's assembled but I'm assuming that all the resistors, transistors, transformers diodes and Chips on there come from all over the place.

 

[eenu]

In defense of China products, they actually make some VERY high quality products (ie. MBP, lol). People have to realize, not all Chinese products are of low quality just because it is made from cheap labor. As a matter of fact, some of the best products come from China, such as your MBPs lol. American companies that bring their manufacturing assembly line into China or any other cheap labor country is very strict about their quality assurance just as if they were made in the USA. Those manufacturing jobs are typically low-skilled labor that require minimum training. Rest assured that QA is of top priority since the last thing they want to do is ruin their own reputation.

Look around your home, everything from your Nikes to your laptop are HIGH quality Chinese products. Much of which only get imported back to the US. I visited China every year, and believe me, a majority of the Chinese products i have in my home aren't even available in the Chinese market. They are restricted due to foreign poltical policies and terms etc...

Rest assured most of your Chinese made products are good quality. The reason why it's from there is because of cheap labor, as reiterated. W/o that, your comparable US made Nikes would cost twice that and the MBP at $4,000 due to HIGH labor costs in the US. Not to mention the US is trying to eliminate low-skilled labor manufactured jobs to stay competitive w/ fast developing countries like India and China.

Seriously, i hear ppl screaming "ewwww, made in China" on EVERYTHING. It's a BIG misconception that Chinese product are inferior. I'm not suggesting all Chinese products are quality made, just many of which are from American company roots (Apple, Nike, etc). Walmart is a perfect example. Assembly=labor. Expensive labor=expensive products.
Large items such as cars are not yet assembled overseas due to highly complicated QA issues, but you can expect it to be soon. Many cars nowadays, and for a long time now if you haven't noticed, is that the parts are made elsewhere while assembly is from a developed country (ie. Japan/US).

ie. MBP: Parts made in USA (trackpad, casing, chips, circuit board), etc. All shipped to China. China slaps them together, shipped back to US. Thus, you can technically say it is "Made in the USA."

The definition of where an item is made nowadays is very blurred. Some ppl insist something being "made" as the whole enchalada from design to when packaged and shipped. We're in an era where an item can be composed from 10 different countries.

Anyways, i hope that clears it up for you

Sorry i chuckled when i read this given my macbooks:

http://www.davidjmoore.com/wordpress/be-cautious-when-buying-a-macbook/

Some nice pictures for you to enjoy of the 'quality' coming from China. Apple contacted me regarding this issue and told me its being taken very seriously in Cupertino. My website saw massive amounts of hits from Asustek Computers and the manufacturing plant in Taipai.

Anyway that post was made a week or two ago now. Hopefully Apple will be calling me today to finally resolve this issue and get me a working and good quality notebook shipped.

 

[Subiklim]

I guess if you have a very simplistic view of the world this is a bad thing.

For what it's worth, my my mother's mac mini was made in the USA.

 

[jackc]

Movement of low-skill manufacturing jobs overseas has been going on for decades, and the same thing is happening to other countries as they develop a higher-skill workforce. Do you see college graduates working at McDonalds now? Don't fall for this myth of low wage workers stealing "our" jobs.

 

[dextertangocci]

I've seen a Powemac G5 made in Ireland...

And my BT Apple mouse made in Malaysia, and my iWork '06 box printed in Irelend, and my MB assembled in China (most likely by 6 year old children)

 

[drake]

Sure, Mac trucks are still made in the US. Not that any of it matters to me, I'm not American.

 

[jbusc]

Outsourcing is a fact in this global economy. That being said, it is usually someone elses problem until it happens to you. It happened to me in 2001 when my software development job (and everyone elses on my team) went to India. It wasn't fun trying to find another job in the middle of the dot-com recession. As a US citizen, what I objected to then (and now) was the importation of jobs via H1B & L1 visas by corporations that didn't want to hire Americans. Why? Because it would cost them more than they wanted to pay. We're not talking low skilled jobs either. Many of these were (are) highly skilled jobs such as engineers, scientists & computer programmers. Why import these jobs when there are plenty of Americans who have the skills and experience & want to work in these positions? Perhaps one day the bean-counters will get outsourced. Better yet, lets outsource the politician's jobs in Washington that refuse to lower the H1B & L1 visa limits.

Actually, lowering the H1B visa limits only makes the problem worse. There are thousands and thousands of international students attending american universities and graduate schools in science and engineering. What used to happen is that most of them (who are among the smartest and most educated in the world) would stay in the US and make contributions back to american society by furthering the US dominance in high tech.

Now, far too many of them go back to their country of origin, which is good for countries like India and China which have strong growing high-tech economies and a society that needs a manufacturing middle class to bring people out of poverty, but not so good for the US, which now outsources the same jobs they had here.

 

[KingYaba]

You know apple outsources it's manufacturing to many different companies throughout the world. From reading Tom Friedman's World is Flat he said Dell outsources it's computer manufacturing all over. One company in some country makes the hard-drive, while another company makes the RAM, while another makes the LCD screen ect... all assembled in china then shipped worldwide. Apple (I think) does the same sort of thing. IT's just cheaper to use foreign labor + shipping costs compared to manufacturing in the US and Europe.

"The World Is Flat"

Secondly there are still many things made in America. But if it can be outsourced it will.

 

[TEG]

I was actually surprised when PowerMax took apart their Mac Pro. The Xeon chips were made in Iowa. Most if not all of Apple's current products are either made in China (ROC), Red China (PRC), Malaysia, California, or Ireland. Many parts, especially since the Intel switch actually come from the US and Canada, like the Xeon. So there is probably some final assembly, and perhaps software loading in the US, for NA, Japan for Asia and Oceania, and the UK for Europe. Plus, I believe there are some software items that we use that cannot be exported to the PRC, so I'd expect that no software that we use is on the machines when they ship from the PRC.

Honestly though, I'd prefer if some of that stuff was in other places. I'm not all that fond of the PRC, and I expect that Apple could get the same, or better quality out of Canada, Japan, or Russia, for the same prices.

TEG