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kesha-antonov

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Just sent feedback to Apple about this problem. And requested "color temperature adjustment". Hope they'll listen. I now disappointed in Apple's new products. MBP 2018 has coil whine, iPhone 11 Pro has yellow/dirty screen. Just not worth it.
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Thanks everyone for posting. I have posted earlier about my own phone. Before I start, I just want to address the people who are asking us to turn True Tone off. Please read what’s discussed on this thread, it’s getting on my nerves at this point. Also , the same applies to anyone whose suggesting to change colour filters. I think everyone here knows about these already.

I am from Canada and I work in a corporate retailer as a Store manager. I have to get phone under contract to get my employee discount , I don’t have the liberty of buying from Apple store and exchanging multiple times. It took really long to get one mid night green 256 gb pro max and I don’t have any to exchange! Today was the last day to return. I returned it and keeping my IPhone X. I recently vacationed at Mexico, the camera and battery is just mind blowing and I am so disappointed to return it but I simply cannot keep the phone. Mine is more warmer than other pro max my customers got in other colours ( no midnight green in stock ) after comparing with multiple phones we got none of it’s proper white like my existing iPhone X or previous years iPhone XS and xs max. On the other hand every11 is absolutely gorgeous white. We have some demos in store , pro and pro max, they are better than mine but still warmer. I have seen some phones worse than mine too. I also went and checked the Apple store nearby. Same story. All are warmer that other models but mine is bit more warm. I would take the demo phones any day actually.

The problem is not that Apple decided to calibrate phones warmer but the colour temperatures are different phone to phone. There was a phone a customer activated warmer than mine. Don’t think he will ever notice but I couldn’t believe how bad it was. It looked like his night shift was on ( True Tone was off ).

I noticed this inconsistency in colour temperatures first time when I got my iPhone 5s. Years have passed and Apple still doesn’t care. I truly believe True Tone is a feature to mask this problem, indoors True Tone and night shift are literally the same thing! It’s a way to make the display more worse so you get happy with less warmer display

I have stopped caring about this much over the years since I break phones and get two replacements within 18 months and to my surprise the replacement phones always are better in this aspect. However, this time I just feel like my display isn’t just warmer , it feels like it’s dirty .. not as clear so I returned the phone.

unless I see any of my customers getting a white display I am not going to get this phone. I am even prepared to skip this year now but I refuse to pay so much for what I think is a flawed display on such an amazing phone. Love everything else but hate it too much.
I got a free galaxy s10 plus from Samsung to use and train my employees and it has a simple colour temperature adjustment. I wonder why Apple refuses to let us do the calibration we like !? If you can’t control quality of the hardware atleast give that option in software.

And I am not alone. Everyone in my store saw the difference. Once someone notices this they can’t stop noticing it. They are apprehensive of upgrading to the new phones this year.
Am going to wait and see how it improves over time and if it does I will get it.
One thing I never noticed in any phones is the shift in colours from top to bottom. That’s completely new to me. Uniformity in display is something I never notice but a dull yellow display I always do notice.
Oh I can also confirm after 15 days of usage nothing changed , I was hoping the glue drying theory was true. I don’t think it is !

Yeah, same thing. And good if you can make a refund easily. In Russia it's much harder...
 

Dayley28

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Here’s two pictures I took. On the photo where there is two iPhones, these were display models. The iPhone 11 on the left and the 11 pro on the right. As you can see the Pro is definitely a warmer tone and I must mention how True Tone, night shift and auto brightness were all disabled. The other picture is a photo of my 11 pro which I returned. I think it was slightly warmer than the display model however the uniformity was bad, whenever I titled the phone up or done slightly the true white colour would shine through and then when returned back to the normal angle it would look warmer and yellow again. I honestly don’t know what to do, whether to buy again or wait it all out and see if they sort this out in production.
 

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friviera

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I received a replacement unit... the quality control is on holidays?
It seems to me I should get it replaced again.
On the dark interface, grey elements are faded on that spot and it is even visible in photos/movies on dark elements and dark grey tones turns brownish in this area.
What do you think? I am now unable to tell if this is a good or a bad unit when I see how bad the previous one was.
 

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Alex586

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The other picture is a photo of my 11 pro which I returned. I think it was slightly warmer than the display model however the uniformity was bad, whenever I titled the phone up or done slightly the true white colour would shine through and then when returned back to the normal angle it would look warmer and yellow again. I honestly don’t know what to do, whether to buy again or wait it all out and see if they sort this out in production.
Uniformity seems okay for me on your Pro. All 11 Pro have the same behaviour when they are tilted.
 

Jutah

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Here’s two pictures I took. On the photo where there is two iPhones, these were display models. The iPhone 11 on the left and the 11 pro on the right. As you can see the Pro is definitely a warmer tone and I must mention how True Tone, night shift and auto brightness were all disabled.

This is a no sense comparison.You’re comparing two completely different panel technology,IPS vs Oled.

So what?

The discussions on the forum should add value not just pure critics.

I’m annoyed too by the warm screen of Pro, but I do not complain on no sense comparison between my pro and my xr (wich have the same panel technology of 11, FYI).
 

RigSatMe

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Hi, everyone! Don’t waste your time comparing one screen to another screen! Go outside, open camera app and compare real screen to the one you have on the screen!
Personal experience: I have both iPhone X and iPhone 11 Pro Max. iPhone X is too cold, iPhone 11 Pro Max is correct calibration. Going outside iPhone X screen reproduces incorrect white balance, iPhone 11 Pro Max is precise match. Someone might say it’s the right test to compare in that way due to white balance of the cameras might be differently calibrated. As alternative, took independent video sample from third camera and color reproduction. iPhone 11 Pro Max comes closest to precise reproduction.
Attached file: X on the left, 11 Pro Max on the right. Difficult to judge uniformity on the picture , ‘cause picture is taken under angle with iPhone 7. However, iPhone X in reality has bad uniformity.
 

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Dayley28

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Hi, everyone! Don’t waste your time comparing one screen to another screen! Go outside, open camera app and compare real screen to the one you have on the screen!
Personal experience: I have both iPhone X and iPhone 11 Pro Max. iPhone X is too cold, iPhone 11 Pro Max is correct calibration. Going outside iPhone X screen reproduces incorrect white balance, iPhone 11 Pro Max is precise match. Someone might say it’s the right test to compare in that way due to white balance of the cameras might be differently calibrated. As alternative, took independent video sample from third camera and color reproduction. iPhone 11 Pro Max comes closest to precise reproduction.
Attached file: X on the left, 11 Pro Max on the right. Difficult to judge uniformity on the picture , ‘cause picture is taken under angle with iPhone 7. However, iPhone X in reality has bad uniformity.

iPhone X looks better to me. The 11 pro max just looks really warm and not pure white. Which I prefer.
 
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Jutah

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Just sent feedback to Apple about this problem. And requested "color temperature adjustment". Hope they'll listen.

Good advice.
I just compiled the form, giving feedback about the excessive amount of yellow tint in the display (this happens since the ips > oled shift and gotten worse yer by year.
 

Alex586

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Hi, everyone! Don’t waste your time comparing one screen to another screen! Go outside, open camera app and compare real screen to the one you have on the screen!
Personal experience: I have both iPhone X and iPhone 11 Pro Max. iPhone X is too cold, iPhone 11 Pro Max is correct calibration. Going outside iPhone X screen reproduces incorrect white balance, iPhone 11 Pro Max is precise match. Someone might say it’s the right test to compare in that way due to white balance of the cameras might be differently calibrated. As alternative, took independent video sample from third camera and color reproduction. iPhone 11 Pro Max comes closest to precise reproduction.
Attached file: X on the left, 11 Pro Max on the right. Difficult to judge uniformity on the picture , ‘cause picture is taken under angle with iPhone 7. However, iPhone X in reality has bad uniformity.
Yes the Pro Max is really better !
 

AJAAY

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I was in the Apple Store on Friday returning an 11, and decided to compare my 11 Pro Max to the display models. My screen was brighter and whiter than the display model. This was with screen up to 100% max with TT and auto-brightness turned off.
 

m0sher

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Would you mind sharing the first 5 digit of your serial number? It indicates the manufacturing factory and time(week).

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I dimmed down brightness all the way in a completely dark room. I noticed the display is ever ever so slightly darker to the left of screen when holding my phone upright in hand with notch to top, the size less than the width of three dimes. It’s a tad darker on that side and blends into the rest of the way uniformly.

IMO it’s a good display because of how insignificantly minor it is. The brightness is uniform everywhere. Ive done a ton of watching movies and no matter how hard I try to spot anything, there is no black crush or bright areas because if I saw any, it would have been a deal breaker.

As for the yellow tint, when early testing, I turned off TT leaving auto brightnes On and forgot about it. Though my eyes acclimated to the yellow tint with TT On, I actually prefer it with it off and left it that way in Dark Mode. To each his own I guess.
 
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OTACORB

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When I first got my Pro Max and compared side by side I could clearly see it was a tad more yellow than the XS Max. However, after using it now for a month when I compare them they are pretty close so I don't know if it takes time for the display to break in a tad bit, but they are hardly distinguishable at this point. This comes up each time Apple drops a new iPhone.
 

Jutah

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When I first got my Pro Max and compared side by side I could clearly see it was a tad more yellow than the XS Max. However, after using it now for a month when I compare them they are pretty close so I don't know if it takes time for the display to break in a tad bit, but they are hardly distinguishable at this point. This comes up each time Apple drops a new iPhone.

thanks for the feedback. Do you use it with TT turned off?
 

inimeg81

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I think the latest batches are better. I went through six phones before I found the midnight green I’m keeping. It’s not as cool as my xs max still but it’s brighter and white. My xs max was more towards blue than white and this one is just white which is perfect. They are out there and I would try again now. I actually got two that were pretty close in display quality recently
 

AndrewR23

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I think the latest batches are better. I went through six phones before I found the midnight green I’m keeping. It’s not as cool as my xs max still but it’s brighter and white. My xs max was more towards blue than white and this one is just white which is perfect. They are out there and I would try again now. I actually got two that were pretty close in display quality recently
Are you doing retail box replacements or the white box
 

Alex586

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I think the latest batches are better. I went through six phones before I found the midnight green I’m keeping. It’s not as cool as my xs max still but it’s brighter and white. My xs max was more towards blue than white and this one is just white which is perfect. They are out there and I would try again now. I actually got two that were pretty close in display quality recently
What reason do you invoke to do a remplacement ?
 

Bradleyone

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What reason do you invoke to do a remplacement ?

Most of the picky people playing the screen lottery are doing it through the 14 day return period. The "reason" is a courtesy, Apple will return it regardless.

I myself took my launch day phone (dim brightness, overly yellow and uneven screen) back within a week, tried another which was marginally better, then returned it within the 14 day period, then gave up. Might try again in December -- I have a near perfect XS to go on with.

The screen lottery is draining, but if you have an Apple Store not too far away, at least the 14 day return period makes it less expensive. (Time is still money though.)
 
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Nacho98

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Reality check here -

I know your 11 Pros are piss warm, but let's please stop talking about crisp whites on the Xs like these were some holy grail of coolness - these were and still are piss warm too...just not as piss warm as the 11 Pros.
 
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Jutah

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Reality check here -

I know your 11 Pros are piss warm, but let's please stop talking about crisp whites on the Xs like these were some holy grail of coolness - these were and still are piss warm too...just not as piss warm as the 11 Pros.

100% Agree, The XS had nothing to do about cris whites.

It it would be interesting to have a picture of what we consider a benchmark display. The problem is that the pictures taken are not equal to real life.

My pics looks pretty good (see here and here ) but the Pro Max still looks damn yellow to my eyes ... even because i have an XR as a second phone (IPS screen, very better white point).
 
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Jutah

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Went to Accessabilites. Toggled Auto Brightness off and back on 4-5 times. Left it OFF.

Then, plugged phone in to charge to get battery to 100%. As it was charging, I went to TRU TONE and turned it OFF. Put phone down and walked away for around 20 minutes.

Came back to phone and turned AUTO BRIGHTNESS back ON.

Turned True Tone back on.

Left phone to get to 100% charge.

Unplugged phone, and BAM. Screen is beautiful. Now even whiter than my iPhone XS Max.

This is amazing. I’m now keeping the phone.

To be clear - I have been comparing to my old phone all night. It started off yellow and dingy. It is now perfect white wear it should be.

I don’t know how it happened. But I’m glad it did.

So, you reached the "perfect white" even white the true tone on?
And th end of your suggestion you keep turned on the true tone?

Hard to believe it works, but it worth a try :)
 

Expos of 1969

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What a sad state of affairs. A long established company (PREVIOUSLY known for producing quality products) is now selling these devices with issues for these prices. Either the quality control process has really gone downhill or Apple is satisfied with these varying screen colours. Possibly a combination of both these reasons. Of course, the three or four posters who strongly defend Apple in all cases will chime in and try to rubbish my comments but who cares. Others with more objective agendas will ignore their posts. Good luck to those who are trying to obtain a good screen.
 
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