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cmaier

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Haha, he does do that. In his interviews with Ian Cutress he's said that "He felt like he was done doing what he needed to do, so he moved on to the next challenge" about job changes

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Yeah, that’s what they tell you to say when you’re at a job interview and the interviewer says “i notice you change jobs every 2 years…”

Of course, maybe I’m the weirdo. I stayed at Exponential until it went out of business, plus one month (long story). I only stayed 2 and a half or 3 months at Sun, but that place was horrible. Then I spent 9 years at AMD. I guess I never got done what I needed to do :)
 

casperes1996

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Yeah, that’s what they tell you to say when you’re at a job interview and the interviewer says “i notice you change jobs every 2 years…”

Of course, maybe I’m the weirdo. I stayed at Exponential until it went out of business, plus one month (long story). I only stayed 2 and a half or 3 months at Sun, but that place was horrible. Then I spent 9 years at AMD. I guess I never got done what I needed to do :)

Everyone's different. I like stability and would love to stay in one place and really work on making whatever I do there great. Other people aren't really into settling down like that.

I also think with a "rockstar" image like what Jim Keller has gotten in the chip design world, it's easier to "monkey branch upwards". If he quits a job he's not going to be involuntarily unemployed for long, and when he does get offered a new job they're likely to offer him a pretty sweet deal.
 

cmaier

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Everyone's different. I like stability and would love to stay in one place and really work on making whatever I do there great. Other people aren't really into settling down like that.

I also think with a "rockstar" image like what Jim Keller has gotten in the chip design world, it's easier to "monkey branch upwards". If he quits a job he's not going to be involuntarily unemployed for long, and when he does get offered a new job they're likely to offer him a pretty sweet deal.

*whistling*
 
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All the kids who did great in high school writing pong games in BASIC for their Apple II would get to college, take CompSci 101, a data structures course, and when they hit the pointers business their brains would just totally explode, and the next thing you knew,
The smart kids who were programming Apple II games in high school were peeking and poking directly into RAM, or via routines made out of poked 6502 op codes. When they saw C pointers, they said, "oh, that's poke with a cleaner syntax" and kept going.

When first using Swift for numeric crunching, I wrote mini-benchmarks in both C and Swift, and dumped the optimized compiled results in assembly language from Xcode. Found out that with careful use of types and memory allocation, one could get very similar op code execution paths out of Swift.
 

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Everyone's different. I like stability and would love to stay in one place and really work on making whatever I do there great. Other people aren't really into settling down like that.

I also think with a "rockstar" image like what Jim Keller has gotten in the chip design world, it's easier to "monkey branch upwards". If he quits a job he's not going to be involuntarily unemployed for long, and when he does get offered a new job they're likely to offer him a pretty sweet deal.
I would imagine it’s difficult to be unwillingly unemployed in the chip design world at all.
 

casperes1996

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I would imagine it’s difficult to be unwillingly unemployed in the chip design world at all.
Hm. Fair point. Maybe if you go into the interview and say

"Oh yes, I worked on the old Pentium chips. In fact, I was responsible for FDIV operations. I still think it's rather silly that formal verification is used these days"
 

cmaier

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Hm. Fair point. Maybe if you go into the interview and say

"Oh yes, I worked on the old Pentium chips. In fact, I was responsible for FDIV operations. I still think it's rather silly that formal verification is used these days"
Hah!

When I interviewed at Intel in 1992’ish, when I was graduating with my undergrad degree, I was being escorted to the conference room where the interviews would take place. I was already taken aback, because every place else I interviewed, they would take you from office to office for each interview, instead of sticking you in a conference room and having person after person coming. And they had made me pee in a cup first, which no place else did.

Anyway, I am walking with my host, and I hear people yelling at each other in various cubes or offices (can’t remember which) along the way. So I’m thinking “this place seems terrible.”

As we are walking, my host says hi to someone, and they have a brief little interaction. As soon as that person is out of ear shot, the host says “that guy is the one who screwed up the FDIV.”


I got an offer that week, and decided I‘d better go to grad school and try again later :)
 
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cmaier

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An Drug test at an interview? For an office job?
Yep. I think I had to go to a lab they designated in New York, where I was, before they would let me fly out there for the interview. I can’t recall the details. Nobody else, not even the old school companies like DEC, HP or IBM ever made me do that.
 
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casperes1996

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Hah!

When I interviewed at Intel in 1992’ish, when I was graduating with my undergrad degree, I was being escorted to the conference room where the interviews would take place. I was already taken aback, because every place else I interviewed, they would take you from office to office for each interview, instead of sticking you in a conference room and having person after person coming. And they had made me pee in a cup first, which no place else did.

Anyway, I am walking with my host, and I hear people yelling at each other in various cubes or offices (can’t remember which) along the way. So I’m thinking “this place seems terrible.”

As we are walking, my host says hi to someone, and they have a brief little interaction. As soon as that person is out of ear shot, the host says “that guy is the one who screwed up the FDIV.”


I got an offer that week, and decided I‘d better go to grad school and try again later :)

That's bloody incredible. What a company culture that must breed
 

cmaier

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That's bloody incredible. What a company culture that must breed

I heard that their other offices weren’t as terrible (this was in Santa Clara), but, yeah, it presented as the worst culture of any of the many companies I talked to them or even years later.
 

poorcody

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All the kids who did great in high school writing pong games in BASIC for their Apple II...
Here's a trivia blast from the past: does anyone remember the command you would enter on an Apple II in BASIC to drop down to code in machine language? Hint: it started with "call -#". Can you remember the #? I can't believe I still have that in my head decades later....
 

casperes1996

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Same! God, I miss Turbo Pascal...
My brother learned some Object Pascal quite some time ago. He never really went beyond the basics but when he tried to learn a bit of programming it was Object Pascal and the Delphi environment. He also wrote a tiny bit of HTML/CSS before putting all of that a bit behind him. Hasn’t touched code for a long time but he understands what I talk about more than the rest of the family, haha
 

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My brother learned some Object Pascal quite some time ago. He never really went beyond the basics but when he tried to learn a bit of programming it was Object Pascal and the Delphi environment. He also wrote a tiny bit of HTML/CSS before putting all of that a bit behind him. Hasn’t touched code for a long time but he understands what I talk about more than the rest of the family, haha
We (programmers) do live in a different world than everyone else. I always love it when someone asks me what I did today. How do you explain something that would have zero meaning to them? Might as well say, "Pushed a lot of buttons!"
 
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Yes! Can you believe that number sticks in our memory from 30+ years ago? The mind is amazing.

I was in junior high and remember sitting in the computer room with all the apple ][‘s, punching holes in floppies to make them double-sided, and typing “call -151” a lot, usually to get to the monitor and type some commands to get around some sort of copy protection mechanism.
 

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Looked at some Alder Lake leaked specs and prices. The prices are a small increase from 11th gen. It's interesting that the PL2 on all of the models is from 200 to 228 Watts. This is true from the low-end i5 with 6 Performance cores and 0 Efficiency cores all the way up to the i9-12900 with 8 Performance cores and 8 Efficiency cores. The PL1 values are from 65 Watts to 125 Watts. So better single-core and multicore performance but at significant power cost.

In the other discussion, we're talking about the A15 being about the same CPU performance as the A14 but with decreased power consumption which is interesting to see - it certainly makes sense in a phone but it would be nice to get more battery savings in MacBooks as well.
 

casperes1996

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We (programmers) do live in a different world than everyone else. I always love it when someone asks me what I did today. How do you explain something that would have zero meaning to them? Might as well say, "Pushed a lot of buttons!"
Think that goes for a lot of professions, really. Everything can be simplified. I mean we could also simplify our work. What did you do today? "I worked on making computer systems more stable". Not incorrect but certainly a simplification. Similarly a dentist might say "I fixed up people's teeth", but in reality, among themselves, they might talk about all sorts of stuff beyond our dental understanding. Or a lawyer might say they consulted people, where as among themselves they might say they, I dunno, mitigated a claim §32.1a section 4.
Of course there's more than the lingo, as programmers we have mental models of all these things that shape the way we think about the world even outside our domain, but I think that'll be the case in different ways regardless of the profession though I only know my own.

I was in the supermarket recently and when I got to the queue, someone went right in front of me. Didn't even say a word, just went ahead of me. In my mind they had violated the first in, first out property of the queue, but then it occurred to me that we were just two separate threads and we had in fact entered the queue concurrently. I was just experiencing a race condition.

I barely know if we can call that a joke but it was an attempt
 
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pshufd

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I was in the supermarket recently and when I got to the queue, someone went right in front of me. Didn't even say a word, just went ahead of me. In my mind they had violated the first in, first out property of the queue, but then it occurred to me that we were just two separate threads and we had in fact entered the queue concurrently. I was just experiencing a race condition.

It usually doesn't bother me as I budget time for a lot of things and I buy a lot of things online to avoid lines. I guess it's easier for people to cut in line these days because of social distancing.
 

casperes1996

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It usually doesn't bother me as I budget time for a lot of things and I buy a lot of things online to avoid lines. I guess it's easier for people to cut in line these days because of social distancing.
That was not a genuine story just to be clear - I mean I'm sure it's happened in my life but not recently. It was just a way of joking about the way my mind's been altered by being a programmer even in mundane situations
 

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We (programmers) do live in a different world than everyone else. I always love it when someone asks me what I did today. How do you explain something that would have zero meaning to them? Might as well say, "Pushed a lot of buttons!"
Part of the reason I don’t go to family gatherings anymore is because nearly everyone in my family works in medicine. I’m left out of every conversation for that reason!
 
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