Anyone else a bit skeptical about Apple silicon future?

[Freeangel1]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

 

[Kung gu]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

You are mistaken where do you think AMD get their CPU, APU and GPU from??

AMD gets all their products made by TSMC. Just like Apple does lol. AMD will also use 3nm TSMC later on.

Heck even Intel next year is relying on TSMC for their dGPUs.

These "Asian Chip manufacture(s)" have the world leading nodes. AMD can't surpass TSMC 3nm they don't even have their own high-end foundry.


You know nothing but instead spout crap.

 

[cmaier]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

thanks for the chuckle

 

[jz0309]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

you are funny, don't really pay attention to what is going on in the market??

 

[AgentMcGeek]

It will double the performance cores. It will halve the efficiency cores.

Yes of course, I meant high performance. My mistake.

 

[AgentMcGeek]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

Did Donald Trump write this?

 

[Bandaman]

YES! very much so.
APPLE just lost it in the corporate world. BIG BUSINESS very much rooted in Intel and AMD. NOT ARM.
Not good to trust an Asian Chip manufacture for all your business. plus build secrets always stolen.

AMD and INTEL will surpass and fly by this whole 3nm ARM thing for sure.

Then the whole Mac line is doomed.

Windows 11 and the PC Take over. And Linux for servers only.

Do you know where Intel and AMD are manufactured?

 

[0906742]

Do you know where Intel and AMD are manufactured?

Not sure about how many factories they have currently and where but computers I have built using Intel CPU, they were either Made in Malay or Made in Costa Rica.

 

[WinterEmerald]

Surely, if anything, we want Intel and AMD to push Apple hard with their own successful developments? I feel like this sort of competition will only reward the consumer from the drive these companies have to out-innovate each other. I feel like part of Intel's slump, with Apple really pushing them down, was because they got too comfortable.

 

[pshufd]

Surely, if anything, we want Intel and AMD to push Apple hard with their own successful developments? I feel like this sort of competition will only reward the consumer from the drive these companies have to out-innovate each other. I feel like part of Intel's slump, with Apple really pushing them down, was because they got too comfortable.

Apple already had their mobile chips. The hard work seems to have been on the software side which they laid the foundation for and then executed on. I think that Intel just assumed that PCs were locked into x86 and that their only competition was AMD. And so everyone was shocked when Apple introduced the M1 systems. I was in disbelief myself and highly skeptical. Now I'm not particularly worried about leaving x86 and I see Microsoft headed in the same direction. It will take them a while to get there but they are showing some signs of this.

 

[ian87w]

Right now, x86 high end intel and AMD can definitely beat M1's performance, but that's at an extreme cost of power consumption, and that they can only beat Apple Silicon's entry level chip with their highest end chips.

Apple Silicon right now is the best laptop SoC on the planet. x86 chips are too power hungry, while the ARM competitors (Snapdragon, etc) are not up to the performance of Apple Silicon, yet.

The only problem with Apple Silicon is that, it's Apple only. Meaning it's success (and failure) will depend on the devices that Apple sell. Apple's focus on fat margins mean that Apple Silicon will never be mainstream. Apple has no interest in selling a laptop cheaper than $999. Apple is just lucky that Microsoft is having issues with Windows on ARM.

Imo the wild card is ChromeOS. Right now, ChromeOS is hobbled mainly by x86. Thus Google is moving towards making custom SoC for ChromeOS.

 

[tevion5]

Interesting. So you think that the whole market will shift towards ARM, because it is inherently superior? Which, in turn, would force developers to focus on developing for ARM, and it won't matter if they develop for Apple ARM or AMD Arm, since it will be the same thing, like in the case of AMD and Intel today?

I honestly think so.
I think Windows laptops will begin to shift to ARM as the decade goes on, along with more serious 64bit Windows support.
I'll be surprised if the Playstation 6 and Xbox VistaMaxOne365 aren't ARM based.

 

[thenewperson]

Apple is just lucky that Microsoft is having issues with Windows on ARM

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For the reasons you stated MS not having issues with ARM still wouldn't have changed much. Apple's machines would still run only ASi and come with macOS.

 

[thenewperson]

Hard to be skeptical about a large PPW advantage tbh.

 

[pshufd]

Right now, x86 high end intel and AMD can definitely beat M1's performance, but that's at an extreme cost of power consumption, and that they can only beat Apple Silicon's entry level chip with their highest end chips.

Apple Silicon right now is the best laptop SoC on the planet. x86 chips are too power hungry, while the ARM competitors (Snapdragon, etc) are not up to the performance of Apple Silicon, yet.

The only problem with Apple Silicon is that, it's Apple only. Meaning it's success (and failure) will depend on the devices that Apple sell. Apple's focus on fat margins mean that Apple Silicon will never be mainstream. Apple has no interest in selling a laptop cheaper than $999. Apple is just lucky that Microsoft is having issues with Windows on ARM.

Imo the wild card is ChromeOS. Right now, ChromeOS is hobbled mainly by x86. Thus Google is moving towards making custom SoC for ChromeOS.

I think that Intel made some threats about Microsoft running x86 on WARM and maybe they've made similar to Apple over Rosetta 2 or some silicon that Apple has to improve x86 emulation/translation performance. At any rate, it does not appear to be an issue anymore as Microsoft is going full-steam ahead. It seems to me that Apple just wants to sell devices and that they are happy to leave other market segments to other players. They seem to know what they are doing.

 

[ian87w]

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For the reasons you stated MS not having issues with ARM still wouldn't have changed much. Apple's machines would still run only ASi and come with macOS.

If MS could have had seamless compatibility with x86-64 since Windows RT, Apple's AS transition wouldn't have been so "shocking" as we would've seen ARM based Windows laptops with the mainstream audience already. In a sense, the M1 would've been just an "oh" instead of a "Wow."

 

[pshufd]

One difference about x86 support is that it will likely go away at some point on macOS while I expect that it would hang around in WARM for quite some time.

 

[laptech]

Unless a new type of battery is developed, ARM cpu's are here to stay because they have one huge advantage over Intel and AMD and that is power to performance ratio. Lot's of companies are looking to reduce their carbon footprint and if they can do that by reducing the power needs of their computers but still maintain performance and if ARM chips can provide it then the companies will move over to ARM.

One of the biggest tech industries that ARM has made inroads into is the server market. In my opinion AMD and Intel need to be worried when ARM starts getting into the financial market because at the moment it is heavily populated with AMD and Intel machines.

Stock exchanges around the world use huge amounts of power to run their computers because they need both power and performance but at what cost? How much electricity a month are these stock exchanges using up? I have no doubt if an ARM tech company approached the stock exchanges and said they could provide ARM computers that would still give them the performance they needed but at half the power cost of their current systems, I think the stock exchanges would jump at that chance.

Electricity costs a lot of money in some places and if that cost can be reduced by using low power ARM technology then companies will jump at the chance to reduce their costs.

ARM is here to stay and I think Apple has a future with ARM technology. Especially if an Apple ARM macbook's battery charge lasts a lot longer than that of it's counterparts because there are many professions out there that require portability and if that can be achieved by not having to charge the computer every few hours then they will opt for the computer that allows them to keep on functioning without having to worry about charging all the time.

 

[casperes1996]

These "Asian Chip manufacture(s)" have the world leading nodes. AMD can't surpass TSMC 3nm they don't even have their own high-end foundry.

AFAIK AMD has no foundries at all anymore. Sold them all to Global Foundries

 

[AgentMcGeek]

Not sure about how many factories they have currently and where but computers I have built using Intel CPU, they were either Made in Malay or Made in Costa Rica.

Careful, where the CPU is assembled in its final stage may not be the same place as where the silicon is baked.

Just like iPhone chips are baked in Taiwan but the phones are assembled in the PRC.

 

[FNH15]

Did Donald Trump write this?

That’s what I initially thought, but the presence of complete sentences suggests otherwise.

 

[JMacHack]

That’s what I initially thought, but the presence of complete sentences suggests otherwise.

Sad!

 

[cmaier]

AFAIK AMD has no foundries at all anymore. Sold them all to Global Foundries

Only had two - Dresden and the old one in Austin. Haven’t had any for many years.

 

[Rychiar]

iOS has a massive user base and apple silicon on Mac can turn the same apps what developers aren't on board already? and since when has gaming ever mattered on a Mac. use Vida geforce now if ya want PC stuff

 

[JMacHack]

iOS has a massive user base and apple silicon on Mac can turn the same apps what developers aren't on board already? and since when has gaming ever mattered on a Mac. use Vida geforce now if ya want PC stuff

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