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diabolic

macrumors 68000
Jun 13, 2007
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Austin, Texas
As i said before, the issue isn't really the heat of the Macbook air. It's how manufacturers augment their products (mainly by making them smaller) by leaving things out.

I really think it's a target market issue again. Since the first day when I re-installed OSX from the external Superdrive, I haven't connected anything to my MBA. All software, movies, and music were downloadable. I don't need to carry around anything but the MBA.

I use my MBA on my lap quite a bit and don't have any overheating problems.

Same here.
 

abijnk

macrumors 68040
Oct 15, 2007
3,287
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Los Angeles, CA
I know that our cell phones aren't just getting smaller because of more cell towers, but I was just making it simpler for other people to understand my point. But great post, you actually looked past the heat issue of the Macbook air and looked at the bigger picture.

I think we are operating on the same wavelength here ;) (yes, cheesey cell phone pun completely intended)

With the air, Apple has added a new way of thinking about what makes a computer portable. As to your specific post, it really comes down to what you want and what you are willing to sacrifice. Most companies view the idea of an ultra portable pc as something you can fit in a purse or other small bag and take with you more conveniently. Apple presented us with a notebook that is lighter than crap, thin (and therefore much easier to fit in a backpack or messenger bag), but still gives you the feeling of a regular sized 13.3" computer. Are there sacrifices? OF COURSE!!! But what good doesn't come with sacrifices?

For me personally the AIR is exactly what I need, its like Stevie was crawling around inside my brain and picked out what I need in a computer. It is powerful enough for me to accomplish all of my tasks with ease, is light enough to haul around campus with even greater ease than my old macbook, and is thin so it takes up less space in my backpack.

Is it like this for everyone? Nope, and thats why we have all different flavors of computers. Ones you can drop without too much worry, ones where you can write on the screen, small ones that will fit almost anywhere, big ones that will do almost anything, and all those inbetween. Each presents its own engineering feats, its own design standards, and its own sacrifices.

Now, if we could just get all these flavors with a sprinkle of Mac OSX. :)

(I hope I haven't gone too philosophical and mushy...)
 

kockgunner

macrumors 68000
Original poster
Sep 24, 2007
1,565
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Vancouver, Canada
No.


From the moment I switched to Apple, I started off w/a 12" PB G4. I quickly realized by reading MR and the *gasp* product manual, that these machines are called notebooks and NOT laptops because they're not meant to be used on soft, squishy surfaces that can and will block vents.

My PB, iBook, and MB all have vents all around and all their manuals strongly urge users to NOT use these machines on soft surfaces that WILL BLOCK vents.

This is NOT a new occurrence w/ the Air. And it will NOT deter me. Not one bit.

But many other laptops don't need to be put on a hard surface. Doesn't the fact that Apple suggests one to do so and even puts it in their manuals kinda seem like they're just saving their resources by not having developing a better cooling system? Instead of spending money on finding an effective way to cool their laptops all these years, Apple requires the user to use their products in a certain way.
 

QuarterSwede

macrumors G3
Oct 1, 2005
9,880
2,155
Colorado Springs, CO
But many other laptops don't need to be put on a hard surface.
Block any of the vents on any other notebook and you'll have the fans spinning up to cool the system down. I use my 12" PB on my lap and bed all the time. The only time the fans spin up loud enough to annoy me (when doing non proc intensive work) is when I've partially blocked the vents.
 

mashoutposse

macrumors 6502
Dec 13, 2003
371
45
But many other laptops don't need to be put on a hard surface. Doesn't the fact that Apple suggests one to do so and even puts it in their manuals kinda seem like they're just saving their resources by not having developing a better cooling system? Instead of spending money on finding an effective way to cool their laptops all these years, Apple requires the user to use their products in a certain way.

Have you owned an MBA long enough to know definitively whether its cooling system is sufficient for your situation? Do you own one at all?
 

beatzfreak

macrumors 6502
Jan 11, 2006
349
3
NYC
yes i do in fact own one.

Have you read page 58 of your manual?

It says that the bottom of your MBA may become very warm during use. If your MBA is on your lap and gets uncomfortably warm remove it...

There is also a similar statement in my Fujitsu notebook manual.
 

cohibadad

macrumors 6502a
Jul 21, 2007
893
5
I don't really know if this post has a point, but what are your thoughts on this?

The air's heat wasnt really the point of this post but thx

dunno what the point of the post was but I don't carry anything with my MBA, especially a cooling pad, and I use it anywhere including my lap without excess heat or a core shutting down. I think that sufficiently covers most of what I read in the post.
 

kockgunner

macrumors 68000
Original poster
Sep 24, 2007
1,565
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Vancouver, Canada
dunno what the point of the post was but I don't carry anything with my MBA, especially a cooling pad, and I use it anywhere including my lap without excess heat or a core shutting down. I think that sufficiently covers most of what I read in the post.

I dont know where this whole thread went. At least it got some discussion going
 

Clix Pix

macrumors Core
No heat issues here with my 1.8 SSD MBA......in fact, I have been enjoying using it on my lap, which is something I didn't normally do with my MBP because of the tendency of that machine to get a bit too warm. The MBA is amazing in that it doesn't get so toasty! On a flat surface -- tabletop, workstation, whatever, no need for a cooling pad, either. Someone has pointed out that there may be differences between the standard HD and the SSD that account for the variance in heating issues.....and that makes sense to me.
 

meagain

macrumors 68030
Nov 18, 2006
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Kockgunner - the thread went this way because 50% of your post references heat/vents. :)

I see the vents being on the bottom as a problem for me.
My question - Say I have the flu and I'm in bed surfing the net. Can I just close the lid and set it next to me on the down comforter safely or will I start a fire or damage the machine?? I assume it'll go to sleep - will it be OK or no?
 

abijnk

macrumors 68040
Oct 15, 2007
3,287
5
Los Angeles, CA
Kockgunner - the thread went this way because 50% of your post references heat/vents. :)

I see the vents being on the bottom as a problem for me.
My question - Say I have the flu and I'm in bed surfing the net. Can I just close the lid and set it next to me on the down comforter safely or will I start a fire or damage the machine?? I assume it'll go to sleep - will it be OK or no?

It should shut itself off to prevent any damage.
 

thefferon

macrumors newbie
Aug 15, 2007
12
1
Smu?

You don't need any cooling thing what not for your MBA. If you have overheating issues it's easily fixed with playing around with restarts and the power adapter, with of course a SMU reset.

Best tweak I have found: Shut down MBA, unplug adapter, do SMU reset, turn MBA back on.

What's SMU please, and how do you do it?
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
0
What's SMU please, and how do you do it?

It's a controller on the logic board that regulates a lot of different things.

Shut down your MBA, Once shut down hold these buttons: left shift, left control, left option, then press the power button once while holding down those buttons. Let go and wait like 10-15 seconds then turn your MBA back on.
 

mashoutposse

macrumors 6502
Dec 13, 2003
371
45
It's a controller on the logic board that regulates a lot of different things.

Shut down your MBA, Once shut down hold these buttons: left shift, left control, left option, then press the power button once while holding down those buttons. Let go and wait like 10-15 seconds then turn your MBA back on.

What indication of a successful reset should the MBA give me after I've turned it back on?
 

admanimal

macrumors 68040
Apr 22, 2005
3,531
2
I have used my Air for web and email while having it on my lap with the vents mostly blocked and the fans and temps stay low and constant. I wouldn't expect this to be the case if I was doing something more intense with it...but I didn't buy the Air to do anything intense with.
 

happyslayer

macrumors 65816
Feb 3, 2008
1,028
578
Glendale, AZ
I have been using my MBA on my lap for the last 3 hours. the rear of the laptop is barely warm. Not hot in any way.

Last night I was using it in bed resting on my knees on a comforter with NO issues whatsoever. Just web surfing and a bit of writing in Word 2008.

I am not doing video editing or anything but that is not what I bought it for.

MBA 1.8/SSD
 

maokh

macrumors 6502
Jun 9, 2007
260
18
Seattle, WA
i used this thing for about 5 hours now, i have not noticed any heat issues. Its running a lot cooler than my macbook. Its been on my lap about 90% of the time...
 

lewisozz

macrumors member
Feb 2, 2008
99
0
United Kingdom
Why ??? Laptop Are Called Laptops

Wonder why they call it a Laptop when you cant put it on your lap ??? Without a Cooling Pad or A TABLE ON YOUR LAP !!!!
 
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