Anyone else going from Aperture to Photos?

[Ray2]

I haven't seen anything like this, are you using a managed or referenced catalogue? Im not sure you should expect C1 to be able to filter based on a file state it may not know about until it touches each file, it would need to be continually checking which would lead to an overhead whenever it was running.

Is the read-only status real according to the file system?

Referenced. Happens with both Aperture referenced libraries imported into C1. As well as C1 importing directly from the folders into a new C1 library. There are certain JPEG files C1 simply does not like. Files that are fine in any number of other apps.

It knows the file state immediately. Probably when building previews. And it can't filter as there's no defined term for write only files. Which they are not at the file system level as I've successfully been able to re-save them in another app and try re importing the new file into C1. No joy. So I'm left with an unknown number of my better images that can't be viewed correctly and can't be exported correctly (tried).

The bigger issue is I can't find the tools in C1 that allow me to get my hands around those files. Aperture certainly provides those tools. They are important in maintaining a catalog/library over time. Without good filtering capability, one stumbles into them one by one. Usually at the worst moment. There's no shortage of iPhoto users who have no clue that images go missing in its library. My iPhoto library immediately got opened in Aperture, which has the tools, when Apple unified those libraries. C1 is similar to iPhoto in this respect.

For the price they want for C1, I had hoped for a more robust and capable catalog. Perhaps one reason why Sessions appears to be the more popular route amongst their long time pro users.

 

[hana]

not sure what to do...

The two things I like the best about Aperture:

1. The ability to give my photos on export names based on the time and date I took them. (for instance IMG_123-2015-04-14 at 3:14:23.jpg )

2. In exposure, highlighting the hot and cold areas and seeing how i can make adjustments in "Exposure"

Do I see that in Photos? Not so far.

Can I do that in Lightroom? I don't know...

Anyone?

 

[simonsi]

Referenced. Happens with both Aperture referenced libraries imported into C1. As well as C1 importing directly from the folders into a new C1 library. There are certain JPEG files C1 simply does not like. Files that are fine in any number of other apps.

It knows the file state immediately. Probably when building previews. And it can't filter as there's no defined term for write only files. Which they are not at the file system level as I've successfully been able to re-save them in another app and try re importing the new file into C1. No joy. So I'm left with an unknown number of my better images that can't be viewed correctly and can't be exported correctly (tried).

The bigger issue is I can't find the tools in C1 that allow me to get my hands around those files. Aperture certainly provides those tools. They are important in maintaining a catalog/library over time. Without good filtering capability, one stumbles into them one by one. Usually at the worst moment. There's no shortage of iPhoto users who have no clue that images go missing in its library. My iPhoto library immediately got opened in Aperture, which has the tools, when Apple unified those libraries. C1 is similar to iPhoto in this respect.

For the price they want for C1, I had hoped for a more robust and capable catalog. Perhaps one reason why Sessions appears to be the more popular route amongst their long time pro users.

Sounds bad but I'm leaning towards you may have some underlying permissions issue going on, I've had none of this in 65,000 imported from exported-from-Aperture originals (as C1 Referenced), and a further 6000 imported natively into the C1 Managed catalogue.

Given the medium format background I think Sessions is based around C1's founder user base for sure, I'm not sure how that is relevant to your issues, they don't seem to be commonly reported here, and here most users I would think would not necessarily shoot in sessions...just trying to find a common factor and struggling TBH...

I'm still leaning to C1 having an access permissions issue and reporting that as R/O...

The files definitely are not R/O when viewed in Finder?

 

[robgendreau]

The two things I like the best about Aperture:

1. The ability to give my photos on export names based on the time and date I took them. (for instance IMG_123-2015-04-14 at 3:14:23.jpg )

2. In exposure, highlighting the hot and cold areas and seeing how i can make adjustments in "Exposure"

Do I see that in Photos? Not so far.

Can I do that in Lightroom? I don't know...

Anyone?

Yes, you can probably do that in Lightroom. I only hesitate because I'm not sure which exif field it can use for the time; I assume it's time created but you should check. And you can adjust exposure as well.

 

[mtspace]

Don't Do It !

I tried Photos. It was the shortest-lived app on my Mac ever. It's photo-editing features are much less powerful than Photoshop's. And a little less powerful than Aperture's. It's organization tools are weaker than Aperture's. But in my case, with something like 15,000 photos it crashed my high speed internet network (ping times avg 15,600 ms and 30% of packets timed out) trying to synch to the iCloud. The behavior persisted even when Photos was not running. I had to drag the Photos database into the trash to get my computer and my internet service back.

As frustrating and maddening as it was, I might have tolerated it. But whenever I selected multiple photos to delete and deleted them, it would delete thousands or tens of thousands of photos. In just two multiple-select and delete sessions my photo count was reduced from over 15,000 to under 3000. And I swear I never selected more than a dozen entities. In both cases I tried undelete and it didn't work.

To add insult to injury set my default Aperture database to an empty database, and now I'm trying to figure out how to make one of my backups the default. For a moment I thought the program had systematically deleted every digital photo I had ever taken!

IMO, this is the greatest b*** ******* in personal computing since the days one could format a hard drive with six or ten keystrokes.

 

[Anastasiy]

Photos is a strange app - great foundation, not so great embodiment.

 

[carlgo]

People have said that Photos will be added on to in time. Has any actual Apple person said that? Or said they wouldn't?

 

[Cheese&Apple]

People have said that Photos will be added on to in time. Has any actual Apple person said that? Or said they wouldn't?

If you enjoy photography and want to grow and develop beyond snapshots, don't wait for further development of Photos.

As a former Aperture user I'm not disappointed in the direction Apple has taken with photo processing...it works for them and their bottom line. This path they are on just doesn't work for me so I've moved on to Lightroom and I'm very happy that I did.

~ Peter

 

[LV426]

People have said that Photos will be added on to in time. Has any actual Apple person said that? Or said they wouldn't?

Apple rarely comment on future specifications of anything. But there are, apparently, empty Plugins and Masks folders in Photos libraries. I know what I'd be doing with those folders if I were an Apple developer...

 

[Badrottie]

People have said that Photos will be added on to in time. Has any actual Apple person said that? Or said they wouldn't?

Who knows Apple might secretly recruiting people from Adobe office?

 

[charlien]

Many years ago I walked into an Apple store before Xmas and discovered that you could make books out of your photos. I walked out with a G4 mini and scanned all my photos into it. I had the time of my life making books and giving them out as presents. At some point I upgraded to Aperture. Eventually book making became a thing of the past for me since I can send photos to my AppleTV with some effort on my part. Pre IOS 8 it was cumbersome so for the most part, the same 120 photos scrolled past the screen as a screen saver for the last year. Again, it got boring.

Enter IOS 8, Photos, and iCloud. I migrated my library to Photos and to iCloud. Now I have all my photos on all my devices. And with Airplay I can send individual or slideshows of photos when ever I want to. Yesterday, for example, I was showing the photos I took on my iPhone at a family event on my AppleTV to those that couldn't make it. This for me has put the fun back in photo shooting.

I don't care if I can tweak a photo 10% more in another application if they are going to be buried somewhere in my Mac. I believe I am Apples target user. And just like FCP X, Apple (and third parties) will enhance the Photos app and those of you that jump ship will regret it at some point.

I obviously don't make my living shooting photos. I do it for the fun of it and the memories.

 

[simonsi]

I believe I am Apples target user. And just like FCP X, Apple (and third parties) will enhance the Photos app and those of you that jump ship will regret it at some point

You may be right in that you are Apple's target user. It isnt so great if, as has happened, many people were Apple's target users and have been abandoned with core products pulled with no replacement.

 

[Robdmb]

Are people importing all of their raw files into Photos? If so are you using iCloud with them? My fear is the cost of backup will quickly rise.

 

[BJMRamage]

finally catching up on all the posts in this thread.

I am staying put with Aperture. I really got into it and really liked that everything I wanted to do, could do in Aperture....ok, not entirely true, I stopped adding text to my images and the stamp tool is nothing like Photoshop, and sometimes I wish it had layers for combining two images. OK, so the majority of things I can do with Aperture. I've only used Photoshop for work. I Loved the upgrade from iPhotos, the ability to copy and paste adjustments and create my own (like Photoshop Actions almost) and ability dive deeper into photo corrections and the brushing in of adjustments.

I also edited photos on my iPhone with Snapseed...but switched to Photos on iPhone last year as it was mainly similar and I don't need the FULL adjustments I'd want on my DSLR pics.

With Photos for Mac, I am unsure. I want the same ability to edit I had in Aperture. and it doesn't seem that this is the case yet. I would easily pay a price to Apple for an In-App purchase of "Aperture Tools for Photos"

but, for now I will wait. Sure, this means at some point I may be 'rushing' to change the application I use but I don't need to upgrade my OS yet. and haven't upgraded my iOS either.

 

[glenthompson]

People have said that Photos will be added on to in time. Has any actual Apple person said that? Or said they wouldn't?

In the Photos talk at last year's WWDC they talked about the add-in capabilities. Why provide the info to developers if you're not going to implement the capability? That's the closest thing to an Apple confirmation on it.

 

[robgendreau]

In the Photos talk at last year's WWDC they talked about the add-in capabilities. Why provide the info to developers if you're not going to implement the capability? That's the closest thing to an Apple confirmation on it.

Yeah, and that talk convinced some that it would be a replacement for Aperture...until they actually got to use it. Aside from not believing the hype at a glorified presser, one must consider that developers apparently went "meh" and didn't come out with anything. Just as with iPhoto. You've got Extensions in your System Prefs; Pixelmator has one but it isn't available in Photos.

Besides that, adding in more tools probably won't change the basic organizational features of Photos. Which don't work for many of us. And not even including now standard features that WERE present before, like georeferencing, should be a warning not to expect much more. Heck, it's a freebie. It's not even like an iOS app with in-app filter or tool purchases.

 

[Attonine]

I thought the plug-ins ability and access to he API for Photos was disabled in Photos version 1? I seem to remember reading about this somewhere? Anyway, if this is the case, this is why developers haven't come out with anything, not because they thought "meh". After WWDC a lot of attendees were talking about how much work Apple had put into photo relevant stuff in Yosemite (not a developer, can't remember the exact techie stuff). We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Harriflex]

I remain appalled that Apple have grossly let down the many professional Photographers who have remained loyal to them, during the years of growth and development of superior Mac Photo Software. The announcement that Apple will no longer support Aperture and are equally promoting a business model to capture even more sizeable profits, have caused ripples of confusion and panic amongst Pro's and enthusiasts.

Most colleagues are untrusting of Cloud storage, not to mention enforced monthly payment schemes. The phrase "Never bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind. Does the new Apple executive fully understand how it has alienated its supporters? I sincerely hope that Apple's Customer Support reflects the numerous "On-line" discussions?

Sorry, but you will guess I am not a fan of the new "Photos" replacement programme.

Unfortunately, the number of smug "Windows users" will be laughing up their sleeves.

 

[simonsi]

Unfortunately, the number of smug "Windows users" will be laughing up their sleeves.

I'm not too worried about what any Windows users think TBH, I'm sure Microsoft causes them enough issues on a daily basis...

 

[telecomm]

1. The ability to give my photos on export names based on the time and date I took them. (for instance IMG_123-2015-04-14 at 3:14:23.jpg )

2. In exposure, highlighting the hot and cold areas and seeing how i can make adjustments in "Exposure"

Can I do that in Lightroom? I don't know...

Anyone?

Yes, you can do both in Lightroom.

1. In the Export panel, (File>Export...) under File Naming select Custom Settings, and you'll be able to build a custom name (I have mine set to use keywords, then original photo numbers). You can then save this setup as an export preset.
2. In the Develop module, press j. (You can also show blacks/whites individually, by pressing the small boxes in the top corners of the histogram, also in the Develop module.)

 

[Harriflex]

I've had Aperture almost since its release. I liked it a lot, especially how easy it was to make a good folder structure to manage your photos.

When Apple announced it was going to stop its development, I decided to wait for Photos to be released.
When it was finally released, at first, I hated it. So much that I deleted my library imported from Aperture...

Then LR6 came by, and even though I had hated LR5 before, I downloaded a trial and imported all my photos.
I swear I just can't get how am I supposed to find my photos and make albums/projects. I have a 15" MBP and I feel like the screen size is too small for LR. Having 3-4 folder stacked makes it impossible to see the name of the last folder!

So... I went back to Photos, and truthfully, now it doesn't seem so bad. I've been using it two days now, and after finding out I could bring up an histogram, a sharpening tool, a noise reduction tool and a brush to clean up dust spots, I started to feel like I could live with it.

I'm really hoping Apple keeps improving it or to let third party apps add more functionality to it.

So, who here is using Photos after using Aperture?

I reluctantly felt that I should stick with the Apple products, but at present SO regret my decision. The migration has been a nightmare and I seem now to have lost my Album structure of reference, having now only 3 Albums (what happened to all the other original categories?)

I sincerely hope that Apple are resolving the numerous issues reported ASAP!

 

[steve123]

Many years ago I walked into an Apple store before Xmas and discovered that you could make books out of your photos. I walked out with a G4 mini and scanned all my photos into it. I had the time of my life making books and giving them out as presents. At some point I upgraded to Aperture. Eventually book making became a thing of the past for me since I can send photos to my AppleTV with some effort on my part. Pre IOS 8 it was cumbersome so for the most part, the same 120 photos scrolled past the screen as a screen saver for the last year. Again, it got boring.

Enter IOS 8, Photos, and iCloud. I migrated my library to Photos and to iCloud. Now I have all my photos on all my devices. And with Airplay I can send individual or slideshows of photos when ever I want to. Yesterday, for example, I was showing the photos I took on my iPhone at a family event on my AppleTV to those that couldn't make it. This for me has put the fun back in photo shooting.

I don't care if I can tweak a photo 10% more in another application if they are going to be buried somewhere in my Mac. I believe I am Apples target user. And just like FCP X, Apple (and third parties) will enhance the Photos app and those of you that jump ship will regret it at some point.

I obviously don't make my living shooting photos. I do it for the fun of it and the memories.

There is one difference in the FCPX outcome versus the Photo's outcome. Apple gave very clear guidance that FCPX would get all the capability of FCP 7 and more. There is no guidance from Apple regarding Photos that I am aware of.

 

[r.harris1]

I thought the plug-ins ability and access to he API for Photos was disabled in Photos version 1? I seem to remember reading about this somewhere? Anyway, if this is the case, this is why developers haven't come out with anything, not because they thought "meh". After WWDC a lot of attendees were talking about how much work Apple had put into photo relevant stuff in Yosemite (not a developer, can't remember the exact techie stuff). We'll just have to wait and see.

This is correct, Photos v1 had extensions disabled. El Cap has them enabled. I'd expect that at least Pixelmator would have a version of their extensions in place soon after the release this fall.

 

[Traverse]

The downside is apple may force your hand to change when perhaps you're not able to easily migrate to another tool

This is actually why I'm afraid to embrace Photos, even if was extremely good. Apple is very unpredictable with their software. I don't want to invest years of pictures and learning into Photos, only to have Apple drop support, create a new app, or cripple it in some "forward thinking" update.

Lightroom is well established, widely accepted and it's relatively easy to get your photos out and move to another program. Apple likes to lock you in and I just don't trust them enough anymore.

 

[WabashSphinx]

I've had Aperture almost since its release. I liked it a lot, especially how easy it was to make a good folder structure to manage your photos.

When Apple announced it was going to stop its development, I decided to wait for Photos to be released.
When it was finally released, at first, I hated it. So much that I deleted my library imported from Aperture...

Then LR6 came by, and even though I had hated LR5 before, I downloaded a trial and imported all my photos.
I swear I just can't get how am I supposed to find my photos and make albums/projects. I have a 15" MBP and I feel like the screen size is too small for LR. Having 3-4 folder stacked makes it impossible to see the name of the last folder!

So... I went back to Photos, and truthfully, now it doesn't seem so bad. I've been using it two days now, and after finding out I could bring up an histogram, a sharpening tool, a noise reduction tool and a brush to clean up dust spots, I started to feel like I could live with it.

I'm really hoping Apple keeps improving it or to let third party apps add more functionality to it.

So, who here is using Photos after using Aperture?

I'm still using Aperture because I haven't found anything that matches the metadata management or organizational tools. I do much of my photo adjustments and editing in SilverFast 8 as I scan thousands of family photos. The metadata tools in Aperture give me the ability to document the source of the originals (I've gotten many old family photos from cousins as well as my parents' and grandparents' files), input GPS locations from old address or map locations, and identify individuals by face or text. I also use it to drag and drop photos to Reunion, a genealogical program, so that a thumbnail is created and a link made to the Aperture database. After a couple of years' use, Aperture to me has become very special software. It seems to me it would make sense for Apple to spin it off to a company that would take it to the next level. As you can see, Aperture is first of all an organizational tool for me, so any tips about alternatives that might work for me would be greatly appreciated.

Two comments on Photos: first, the metadata are not even as good as iPhoto, though that might change; second, the on-the-fly editing tools for iPhone are surprisingly good and much appreciated.