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posguy99

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Not what Steve Jobs would've OKed I don't think. What a mess for older and smaller MBP folks.
I'm not sure what the big deal is in that regard. Back up your files, wipe machine, re-install OS.

You do make backups, don't you?
 

posguy99

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I believe that eventually Big Sur will achieve the level of stability that Catalina currently enjoys, but it's not going to do so until either 11.5 or 11.6. Whatever they did to the display stack that ****ed over Big Sur past 11.0.1 for 4K displays had better not be an issue in Monterey.
Catalina got *worse* from .5 to .7, so that's not a good metric to use.
 

macguy2021

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I hated Catalina with a passion. I think I hit a record number of times I had to erase and install a single laptop ever with my 2016 TB rMBP running Catalina. Double digits. Many different versions too of Catalina. That said I didn't revert to Mojave. I stuck it out. When I put on Big Sur my MacBook worked great on 11.0. No bugs. I did just upgrade to a M1 MBP a few months ago. Catalina was a dog for me from version to final. I really don't miss it at all. Big Sur is great.

If I couldn't do Big Sur I would absolutely recommend anyone to use Mojave instead, until Monterey comes out if they hate Big Sur that much. Catalina even on its final version was just not at all stable in my experience and I'd avoid it!
 

posguy99

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If I couldn't do Big Sur I would absolutely recommend anyone to use Mojave instead, until Monterey comes out if they hate Big Sur that much. Catalina even on its final version was just not at all stable in my experience and I'd avoid it!
I'd love to, but a 2020 13" MBP can't run Mojave. I'd go all the way back to Sierra if I could.

There are enough remote exploits that you can't just run 10.15.4 and be done with it, you have to keep up with the security patches. So along with that, you get all the USB dysfunction fun that Apple introduced into the kernel on their way to 10.15.7.

I won't need to make a decision about Big Sur until 4Q2022, I can put up with Catalina that long.
 

rovostrov

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My 2012 MBP won't run Big Sur. In January I finally decided to upgrade to Catalina since it was the
last OS for my system that would be available.
Have to say, I'm quite surprised it runs as well for me as Mojave did. Haven't had any issues with it at all. Upgrading to Catalina even fixed some problems I had under Mojave.
Time Machine backups used to take hours to complete, rebooting into safe mode would take at least 15 minutes,
Viewing PDF's in preview would sometimes display black images or preview would just crash, also had issues with the app store, finding and installing updates under Mojave... Catalina fixed all of that for me. I know many have had some major issues with Catalina and I was hesitant to install it. Now I'm glad I did. It works really well for me
 
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Jack Neill

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That's not true. You can use OCLP to run Big Sur on the 2012 MBP.
Big Sur is so much better on my 2012 MBP than Catalina. Such a shame its not officially supported. Big Sur blows 10.15 away in performance and stability. OCLP is a breeze now to upgrade and update.
 

rovostrov

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That's not true. You can use OCLP to run Big Sur on the 2012 MBP.
That's good to know but I have no issues with Catalina. I don't think it'd be wise for me to hack my system to run BS just to prove it can be done. Not to mention, it'd kill several hundred bucks in software I rely on, which would have to be purchased again.
To each their own, but i'm just not feeling it
 

mdgm

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If you'd have to buy new software that's certainly understandable.

The most recently dropped models tend to have the best unofficial support in OCLP and other methods as most or even all of the needed things can be still in the OS.
 
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macsound1

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I have a whole bunch of macs at home and one of them is an M1 Mac Mini.
So on my 2014 MBP running High Sierra, I've been using the M1 over remote desktop. For 1, it runs my favorite games incredibly fast at the highest settings and 2 so I can try and get used to the wonkadoo interface changes.
 

crescentmoon

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I have an old mac pro 2010 on the latest Catalina and it is better in performance than Mojave for me. Don't ever plan to move to Big Sur....
 
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brobson

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I'm not sure what the big deal is in that regard. Back up your files, wipe machine, re-install OS.

You do make backups, don't you?
I am very nervous to wipe my machine, yes I have time machine backups and a WD element backup but insecure to wipe my machine. Why do they make us do that? Was it necessary for the other updates?
 

posguy99

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I am very nervous to wipe my machine, yes I have time machine backups and a WD element backup but insecure to wipe my machine. Why do they make us do that? Was it necessary for the other updates?
"Make you?" You filled up the storage, not Apple.
 

posguy99

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Catalina has been very stable on my 2018 Mini so I don't feel much need to "fix what ain't broke" as long as it's supported.
Big Sur doesn't bring anything to the table worth bothering with so I have no reason to consider replacing Catalina before support for Catalina ends. From what I've seen so far Monterey won't either, so meh.
 
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